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Play posted:It's actually mostly the opposite I think, the coverage works because of the pass rush. Multiple times in the Titans game free receivers were set loose down the field and Mariota couldn't hit them because of all the pressure and how often the ravens were blitzing. That doesn't work against the saints, they have a good offensive line and Brees is excellent at making defenses pay for bringing pressure. Wasn't a great matchup for the ravens to start with It really was a pretty even matchup though, definitely not "bad" for the Ravens. We shut down their strong running game really well, kamara basically did nothing. They had strong run D but we're more of a passing team this year. Tennessee game you also have to consider that Mariota was playing hurt, and just isn't all that good to begin with. We really handled the Saints through three quarters but we broke down in the 4th due to getting tired and missing our best corner. With Humphrey we likely win the game. He's probably like the 1st or 2nd most important guy on the defense. We didn't get to test them much downfield either due to windy conditions. We probably should have tried more though. We really really should have gone for 2 at the end.
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Kawalimus posted:It really was a pretty even matchup though, definitely not "bad" for the Ravens. We shut down their strong running game really well, kamara basically did nothing. They had strong run D but we're more of a passing team this year. Tennessee game you also have to consider that Mariota was playing hurt, and just isn't all that good to begin with. Oh I totally agree. Just pointing out why some of the strategies that worked against other teams didn't have as good a chance against this one. And sure enough, they did not bring as much pressure this week because they knew that Brees had a pretty good chance to beat it. I had the Saints to win but I didn't expect it to be that close, so the Ravens did pretty well. Also, you're only saying you wish they went for two because they missed the extra point. If they had gone for two and didn't make it you'd be bemoaning that. Going for the presumed gimme of an extra point was the right call with the Ravens having good momentum at that time. Bigass Moth posted:I struggle to blame any loss this year on Hue except Oakland where he didn’t go for it on 4th and inches after that terrible ref spot. So that's one clear loss through his fuckupery, and I would put the loss due to kicking on him too. Isn't it his job to evaluate players and suggest changes when something isn't working? However, instead of thinking about how many losses Hue created why don't you think about how many wins you could assign to him. I can't think of anything. His time with the Browns has been one of the great losing streaks of modern football. The team last year should've won games. This team will lose more games because of him. He doesn't bring anything to the table.
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I had said multiple times in the GDT during our last drive that I thought if we got a TD we should go for 2. Also whether "momentum" like you're talking about exists or not, I think it's not necessarily the case that the Ravens had it just because we had scored. We had blown a 10 point 4th quarter lead and they stopped us on 4th. Then they came back and scored another 3 for the very important 7pt lead. There were a couple plays on that last drive of theirs where their player went out of bounds and stopped the clock--had that not happened on those plays we just wouldn't have gotten the ball back. We were lucky to even have a chance. That was probably the second worst quarter of defensive football we've had all season(first was the Cincinnati first quarter). We scored but they were clearly in control of the game still and to me you don't give their offense a 50% chance of getting the ball right back in OT. There's too much of a likelihood that if they win the toss they are going to go right down the field and score a TD based on how they had been playing late and how tired the defense seemed. Yeah we could fail, but sometimes you just have to call your best play and trust your players to execute. We're going to win or lose the game at some point anyway(barring a tie of course) so might as well take that opportunity when it's right there. If you get the 2 and do the kickoff right(high kick just outside the end zone and stopped at the 30 or before) they have like 18 seconds and 2 timeouts to work with and probably aren't going to win. I'm generally a big proponent of trying for two in those scenarios.
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I wasn't watching that game super closely so maybe you're right about momentum. But if they had gone for two and failed you'd be moaning about how Justin Tucker has never missed an extra point and how this team probably doesn't even want to win. Don't lie to me
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Play posted:I wasn't watching that game super closely so maybe you're right about momentum. But if they had gone for two and failed you'd be moaning about how Justin Tucker has never missed an extra point and how this team probably doesn't even want to win. Don't lie to me No I wouldn't have. I admit that I can get pretty reactive at times but it's not about missing the PAT, it's about taking the chance to (very likely) win when you have it right there rather than let variance take over with the OT coin toss. There's certainly scenarios where I would advocate taking the point and sending to OT but when you're against a HoF QB who is catching fire you don't potentially put the ball back in his hands for OT. I'm not annoyed cause I get why you think I'd do that but I am pretty firmly in the camp of going for 2 in that scenario in most cases.
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the ravens should have absolutely gone for 2 at the end, the defense was completely gassed and there was no stopping brees in OT
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the ravens brought the same amount of pressure against brees as they did any other team. the saints spent half the game doing give up runs and less than 3 step drop passes to make sure they didnt get home. in a lot of ways the ravens defense dominated that game, holding them to a very low yards per play. Its just that they got none of the high variance plays that usually go along with that like a turnover or multiple sacks. Brees is an incredible qb and probably only tom brady could have done the same thing he did there, just endlessly converting on quick drops on 3rd and 5+ without also giving up some plays the other way. Even then, if the ball was spotted correctly at a higher than 0% rate on 4th downs the ravens probably win.
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It may feel like people were looking to fault Hue but now they’re feeling bad with the risk of actual consequence he can get fired. I’m not opposed to it, I don’t feel his heart is in it, but it’s tough because top down the front office sucks rear end and there no hope and whatnot. Like finally Dorsey came in and picked Baker and Ward so I’m more curious if this was luck or if we have something to build on for competent people and Hue was a bad evaluator and coach. He’s not a great coach but the problems are more than just him. I’d argue as others suggest, what has he added? And I get nothing. It feels like he’s a non factor. And if he were to go, who would take his place? Are they any better?
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Gatts posted:It may feel like people were looking to fault Hue but now they’re feeling bad with the risk of actual consequence he can get fired. Todd Haley is a step up from Hue, even as just an interim HC, even if he's an abrasive rear end in a top hat. He's not a long-term solution, however. Dorsey built the Alex Smith era Chiefs, and he's clearly a fantastic draft guy. Even if your owner is a Jerry Jones lite, the Browns are improved the minute they are rid of Hue, as people in this forum have been saying for months.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Todd Haley is a step up from Hue, even as just an interim HC, even if he's an abrasive rear end in a top hat. He's not a long-term solution, however. Dorsey built the Alex Smith era Chiefs, and he's clearly a fantastic draft guy. Even if your owner is a Jerry Jones lite, the Browns are improved the minute they are rid of Hue, as people in this forum have been saying for months. I'll take Haley or old Bounty Gate. They're both going to lobby for the HC job why not let one have an audition.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Bob Wylie Let the Coordinators do their thing, this is the correct choice.
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do coaches have a minimum salary i would imagine not. they love bootlickin
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Real talk. What if the Patriots make the post season and Bill throws a dump truck of money at Joe Thomas to Offensive Line....
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Gatts posted:Real talk. What if the Patriots make the post season and Bill throws a dump truck of money at Joe Thomas to Offensive Line.... I'd cry, but I don't think he's going to come out of retirement.
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Flikken posted:I'd cry, but I don't think he's going to come out of retirement. That and I'm not sure he could put back on the 80 pounds he lost. Dude is a shell of what he was beginning of last year.
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Joe Thomas shouldn't come back to being a player, that would be really really unhealthy for him. But something that seems possible to me would be O line coach? No idea if he's even interested, he's probably happy to be out of the whole system and doing his own thing but if not he'd make a great position coach.
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Hot take: The Browns D is going to get absolutely shithoused by the Chiefs next week. Also: RIP Hue 
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schmug posted:wait, what? Hue is fired.
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Problems with Browns are deeper than Hue, but I haven't followed the team enough to have a good opinion of why he sucked. What does he have, 3 wins in as many years?
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Way past time to move on imo. He never, ever gave that team the best chance to win possible. In fact he actively got in its way
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Thank you Steelers for getting another Browns coach fired. 6 consecutive fired after losing in Pgh
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:6 consecutive fired after losing in Pgh Well when you compare this game to the one at the beginning of the season, it's pretty clear that one team has gotten better (like good teams do as the season goes on) and one has gotten worse. So it's a reasonable time to fire someone imo. Have you ever noticed that truly good teams with good coaching staffs always improve towards the back half of the season? Whereas fake good teams are usually falling apart by this time, just as the Browns are. There is a real difference there, and it's just as we expected that even if they struggled early, teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Saints, Rams, Panthers . . . they always get better as the season goes on. Whereas teams that don't have that quality and consistency in coaching tend to get worse.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Imagine being the coach that wasted the immense talents of Deshone Kizer He also said “trust me” when he got Cody Kessler.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:'Steelers get better as the year goes on' is more that they are usually comically under prepared the first few weeks and coasting on talent. It's because not one of their important starters play a single significant snap in preseason, so it takes the entire month of September for the team to get timing and on field communications to gel
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