|
What strengths would those be? Kingkiller is poo poo; it's basically Rothfuss alternately failing to do Le Guin and Wolfe.
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 19:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 18, 2024 03:09 |
|
|
i dunno what that means since i don't read books without blade-armed velociraptors but i'm interested in hearing more about it
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 21:36
|
|
|
Somebody else said it first, but the Kingkiller books are a thousand times more bearable if you picture the main character as Zapp Brannigan. They still aren't good.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 00:42
|
|
|
Forge of Darkness thoughts: Ivis is the best. No, Haut is the best. Wait, no, the brothers Purake are the best Erikson's humour is much subtler in Karkhanas, and I really like it. Kruppe and Tehol are always funny, but they felt a bit try-hard, Kharkanas is much more self assured and it's much funnier because it's not trying to draw your attention to it. I also like how he paints the Tiste as stagnating without resorting to some dodgy rambling about weakness and decadence. I especially like the contrast in social hierarchy and customs compared to MT. The Edur have just as strict customs and decorum as the Tiste, but they're still able to express friendship and compassion through it. The Tiste are only able to so by completely abandoning protocol to speak as equals - I'm thinking of Urusander and Kadaspala, Sand and her maid, Tulas and Ankhadu. All of them have to throw rank out the window in order to have a human connection. Erikson's good y'all.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 13:19
|
|
|
Zorak of Michigan posted:Kingkiller is decent but overrated. The first book has some good bits but also plenty of places where you could see it was someone's first book. The second one builds more on Rothfuss' weaknesses than strengths. The third one looks like it will never be written at this point, since Rothfuss seems more interested in being a Celebrity Author than in publishing books. Kingkiller went to poo poo halfway into the book when it becomes Harry Potter. I liked the initial premise of a band of evil immortals keeping their existence hidden, and the idea of the protagonist being this mighty hero who had retired and that the story told of how that happened. Then it became a worse version of Harry Potter without the charm. And the second book was just a load of nothing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 16:53
|
|
|
Just randomly found this thread. I actually finished the Book of the Fallen series a few months back, powering through 5-6 of them last year when surgery had me bedridden for a little over a month. I'm still not sure what I think of Erikson's writing... On the one hand, he can make high fantasy feel incredibly epic without getting bogged down in technical fantasy details as to how the warrens work (i.e.: think the One Power in Wheel of Time). But sometimes it just feels a little too... hand wavey, I guess? There's also the fact that so many seemingly important characters seem like they'd stay relevant later in the series but don't actually show up again. Coltaine!  That said, my favourite by far has to have been Deadhouse Gates, because the events of the Chain of Dogs were so tragic and compelling at the same time.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 21:11
|
|
|
Jan posted:Just randomly found this thread. I actually finished the Book of the Fallen series a few months back, powering through 5-6 of them last year when surgery had me bedridden for a little over a month. Coltaine reappears in the ICE books.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 21:25
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:Coltaine reappears in the ICE books. Strom Cuzewon posted:Forge of Darkness thoughts:
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2018 23:52
|
|
|
I'm sad they never made a limited edition Fall of Light to go with Forge. I doubt there'll be one for the final book in however many years either. Oh well.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2018 00:58
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:And you'll wish he didn't. As much as I love the Tiste and Azathanai plots, Olar Ethil can gently caress right off (to a lesser extent so can the sisters of shadow). There's developing mysteries, and then there's contradictions for the sake of contradictions. I get that the myths of the Tiste have been garbled over time (specifically, all the Light Vs Darkness stuff from Anomander's speech in GotM, and Feather Witches tile casting actually predates Mother Dark, that's really cool) but a lot of feels like either a retcon or gratuitous convolution.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2018 15:22
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:Kingkiller is poo poo; it's basically Rothfuss alternately failing to do Le Guin and Wolfe. It sounds like he's succeeding.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 07:13
|
|
|
I have read the entire series and prequel books twice and I just found out I was pronouncing Malazan wrong the entire time. Sadness.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 12:57
|
|
|
Lotta love for Kingkiller in here then.  Strom Cuzewon posted:Feather Witches tile casting actually predates Mother Dark, that's really cool) Can this be elaborated on without spoilers past the end of Toll the Hounds, because I'm curious? Her tile castings in Midnight Tides happen before the whole Mother Dark/Andii rift - I know MT happens before the main story but that doesn't sound right? dishwasherlove posted:I have read the entire series and prequel books twice and I just found out I was pronouncing Malazan wrong the entire time. Sadness. What's the correct way? I pronounce it with the emphasis on the first syllable.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 13:14
|
|
|
The correct way is what ever sounds right to you! But if I remember right Erikson pronounces it like muh-lah-zin.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 14:04
|
|
|
The only good bit in Kingkiller is when our hero is trying to show up the school bully and almost freezes his own blood. The rest is a load of smug "I didn't fight a dragon, I fought a giant firebreathing lizard" nonsense.OneSizeFitsAll posted:Lotta love for Kingkiller in here then. Oh I meant the stuff she describes in her readings. All that portentous "and light was born and made the dark sad as planets were cast to the earth" stuff. Mild Kharkanas spoilers It echoes Mandy's monologue to the demon at the end of GotM, and doesn't seem to fit with Kharkanas showing Mother Dark arising at the same time as proto-Imass and Jaghut (i.e. after the universe was made). But there's a few offhand comments about what pre-Mother Dark scholars think about the creation of the universe, and how Dark warred against Chaos long before Mother Dark came along. Rather than being the source of the Andii myths, Mother Dark just co-opts them to assert her own divinity. apophenium posted:The correct way is what ever sounds right to you! The hard part is resisting the urge to say ma-la-ZAHN, with a very fantasy sounding emphasis on it as three syllables. But given they're from Malaz you're meant to squash the last syllable, like how it's Englund, Germun, not Eng-Land, Germ-Man.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 14:49
|
|
|
Hell yeah #TeamKharkanas, gently caress the haters.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 15:33
|
|
|
Strom Cuzewon posted:Oh I meant the stuff she describes in her readings. All that portentous "and light was born and made the dark sad as planets were cast to the earth" stuff. Oh right, thanks. quote:The hard part is resisting the urge to say ma-la-ZAHN, with a very fantasy sounding emphasis on it as three syllables. But given they're from Malaz you're meant to squash the last syllable, like how it's Englund, Germun, not Eng-Land, Germ-Man. I'm English, so my inclination is to pronounce it ma-la-ZANN, but as I said before with emphasis on the first syllable. Never really thought it might be wrong, even when wondering how other people pronounce things like Tiste Andii (in my head it's tis-teh an-dee-eye, like the Roman triarii).
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2018 16:05
|
|
|
OneSizeFitsAll posted:Oh right, thanks. It rhymes with Twisty Andy and I won't hear otherwise!
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 14:09
|
|
|
Before I started reading it was MAL-uh-zann, after I started reading and discovered it was an adjective I figured it was probably Muh-LAZ-in but that sounds dumb so I never stopped saying it the wrong way.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 14:47
|
|
|
Finished the main series and after a malazan break I'll be going into the other ones. What's everyone's rec to start. I know crimson guard is generally frowned upon.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 15:41
|
|
|
Strom Cuzewon posted:It rhymes with Twisty Andy and I won't hear otherwise! Let us fight. Ben Nerevarine posted:Before I started reading it was MAL-uh-zann, after I started reading and discovered it was an adjective I figured it was probably Muh-LAZ-in but that sounds dumb so I never stopped saying it the wrong way. Isn't it both? Sure I've heard reference to "Malazans" on various occasions.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 16:56
|
|
|
Yeah it's used just like American / Americans.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 17:04
|
|
|
Submarine Sandpaper posted:Finished the main series and after a malazan break I'll be going into the other ones. What's everyone's rec to start. I know crimson guard is generally frowned upon. The new ICE trilogy about Kellanved and Dancer is pretty enjoyable; Dancer's Lament is nothing special, lacks a climax and ends on a reveal no one gives a gently caress about but the the second book is pretty good.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2018 17:12
|
|
|
Submarine Sandpaper posted:Finished the main series and after a malazan break I'll be going into the other ones. What's everyone's rec to start. I know crimson guard is generally frowned upon. Kharkanas, imo. It's really good with the main series fresh in your memory. Also, they're really good and all the haters are wrong.
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2018 10:00
|
|
|
I put the emphasis on the ZARN!
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2018 11:42
|
|
|
Man with Hat posted:Kharkanas, imo. It's really good with the main series fresh in your memory.
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2018 11:43
|
|
|
I just finished the 2 new ICE books, and yeah they really are a big jump in quality... except I wish he didn't feel the need to make every single new character someone we've met before... like why can't there just be people living 100+ years ago who aren't around anymore at the time of the Erikson books? It becomes super distracting every time someone is introduced trying to figure out who they will wind up becoming later when every scene is like:quote:Dancer bit into the pie with a murmur of satisfaction. "Mmmm," he said, "you could wind up ruling an empire with pies like these!"
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2018 13:03
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:Kharkanas/Necromancers are all good stuff; with ICE, skip Night Of Knives and read from Return of the Crimson Guard on - and stop when you stop enjoying it, they don't really get better (personally I like Stonewielder more than RotCG but ICE peaks at that). Night of Knives could have been awesome if it had properly embraced the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, instead of the lame faffing about we actually got. Stone wielder also seems to lack an ending, which is bloody annoying.
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2018 17:52
|
|
|
I'm playing Skyrim with a bunch of dumb mods installed and happened across a thing that made me smile: (yes I looked it up and it is... A Motherfuckin Reference!!!)
|
|
#
?
Oct 27, 2018 03:10
|
|
|
Updated list of who is the best (Kharkanas edition): Gripp Galas Hish Tulla Kellaras Grizzen 'Fuckin' Farl
|
|
#
?
Oct 27, 2018 23:46
|
|
|
Re-reading Reaper's Gale and got to the bit where we meet Clip. Sitting on the train, I emit an audible sigh of disappointment.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2018 22:09
|
|
|
Just finished my two year listen of the series on audiobook and I have a question. What was that in the last book about Quick Ben’s suddenly having a connection to Mother Dark and whomever Ruthan Gudd is. I mean, it makes sense given how cagey he was around Rake. Did they ever say whether one of the souls he collected in Raraku was Andii?
|
|
#
?
Nov 8, 2018 21:52
|
|
|
The true nature of those two people you mentioned is surrounded by loads of convoluted speculation. So the only answer I can give you is "Maybe"
|
|
#
?
Nov 8, 2018 22:04
|
|
|
Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Just finished my two year listen of the series on audiobook and I have a question. It's not explicitly stated that it's Mother Dark, just that he calls "Mother" out and she's the only one mentioned in those sort of tones throughout the series. Comedy answer: he's talking to Minala (I think the only other character explicitly referred to as 'Mother') for some reason. On the second point, Ruthan Gudd implies that both he and Quick Ben made some sort of deal with ascendants/gods, which is how they got their powers (although Ben's sister's flashbacks suggest he was pretty powerful even as a pre-teen). And yes, it's mentioned/referred to a few times that one of Ben's souls is Tiste Andii, but I don't think there are any more details given than that; in fact, I just checked Chapter 8 of Memories of Ice (where the story of how Ben joined the Bridgeburners is found) and there's nothing concrete there.
|
|
#
?
Nov 8, 2018 22:14
|
|
|
Are the stormchasers or w/e fleshed out in any supplementary novels yet?
|
|
#
?
Nov 8, 2018 22:18
|
|
|
Submarine Sandpaper posted:Are the stormchasers or w/e fleshed out in any supplementary novels yet? Nope. They appear and are "antagonists", but have no clue as to why. On Ruthan Gudd He has a connection to Greymane and the stormrider that is never explained.
|
|
#
?
Nov 8, 2018 22:27
|
|
|
i like Grub as a character. the idea that feelings, sorrow, etc turn into an actual person is very interesting. And Grub going on to be First Sword $$$$$ From House of Chains. "It was said the captain's adopted child - who at that time was known by the unfortunate name of Grub - refused the wagon on the march. That he walked the entire way, even as, in the first week beneath the year's hottest sun, fit and hale soldiers stumbled and fell. This is perhaps invention, for by all accounts he was at that time no more than five years of age. And the captain himself, from whose journals much of that journey and the clash in which it culminated is related in detail, writes very little of Grub, more concerned as he was with the rigours of command. As a result, of the future First Sword of the Late Empire period, scant details, beyond the legendary and probably fictitious, are known." ―Lives of the Three Moragalle
|
|
#
?
Nov 9, 2018 23:10
|
|
|
Found this link in the Malazan discord that I thought might be helpful http://searchofthefallen.com/#!/
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2018 06:47
|
|
|
dishwasherlove posted:Found this link in the Malazan discord that I thought might be helpful this is the best site ever.
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2018 20:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 18, 2024 03:09 |
|
|
CoolHandMat posted:this is the best site ever. The word "gently caress" doesn't appear until Midnight Tides, and is used more times in Crippled God than the rest of the series combined.
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2018 23:19
|
|