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Harry Potter on Ice posted:that one streamer has spent 1.5 hours on the jumping puzzle and then just got mad and gave the controller to his friend and left too bad he can't just tcl through that poo poo ahahaha
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Graves > Fallout 1-76 : I don't want to set the world on fire, but I will for the drops
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Oct 24, 2018 19:59
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Fallout 4 had some jumping puzzles in it. Not for quests that I hit, but for some bits of bonus loot here and there. A medkit and duffel bag on a fire escape near the oyster bar, a toolchest on a detached structure near an energy turbine, that kind of thing. Of course, there you have power armor with a jet pack, and Jet, which slows down gravity but not your W key. Wonder if you get moon boots or perk cards for jump height in 76. (From what I can grab of streams, everybody gets a set of core perk cards to pick from as they level, so everybody gets offered VATS body part aiming and lockpick and hacker and such. Card packs can include lockpick+ and hacker+ perks that widen the sweet spot or reduce lockout time.)
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Oct 24, 2018 20:14
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Moridin920 posted:too bad he can't just tcl through that poo poo ahahaha I was really curious what the reward would be honestly, like a broom, some pre-war money and some toilet paper or what?
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Oct 24, 2018 20:18
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Glazius posted:Fallout 4 had some jumping puzzles in it. Not for quests that I hit, but for some bits of bonus loot here and there. A medkit and duffel bag on a fire escape near the oyster bar, a toolchest on a detached structure near an energy turbine, that kind of thing. Actually, yeah! They mentioned a mutation card that let's you jump really high. I also suspect jetpacks will be in the game as well.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:24
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Spacedad posted:So there's a weapon called the Vox Syringer that if you shoot animals with it, it apparently makes animals talk. seems appropriate the radstag is standing inside a giant rock that looks like its covered in streaks of gray paint
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Oct 24, 2018 20:33
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Thinking of doing a fresh playthrough of New Vegas, if I can manage to do a clean install. Don't remember, are any of the dlc comfortably doable right out of the gate?
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Oct 24, 2018 20:35
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Rinkles posted:Thinking of doing a fresh playthrough of New Vegas, if I can manage to do a clean install. Honest hearts maybe
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Oct 24, 2018 20:36
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2 hours of QA time, great job Bethesda youre doing awwesome
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Oct 24, 2018 20:43
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I think it's weird how they keep calling it a beta and people are like 'well it's just a beta so they might fix stuff'. It's 3 weeks to release, there isn't enough time to fix anything. This is the release version, like it or not. This is just a glorified publicity stunt/demo.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:44
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I was really excited about cryptids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbUYipTg4YA
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Oct 24, 2018 20:48
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Siljmonster posted:2 hours of QA time, great job Bethesda youre doing awwesome It's not QA, it's streamer-bait.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:48
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Donovan Trip posted:I was really excited about cryptids lmao they want $60 for this.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:06
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Spacedad posted:So there's a weapon called the Vox Syringer that if you shoot animals with it, it apparently makes animals talk. This is a quality idea and I hope it one day makes it into a Fallout game I actually want to play.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:27
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Rinkles posted:Thinking of doing a fresh playthrough of New Vegas, if I can manage to do a clean install. not to dissuade you from doing regular new vegas, but if you're going in clean why not try the just-released New California TC mod? and I think most of New Vegas' DLC is recommended for level 15+, though I also agree that Honest Hearts can be done whenever
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I feel weird for defending this, but I remember a time when beta testing was exactly what Bethesda is doing here. Alpha testing you do internally in development. For the beta test a specific group of people is given access to a piece of software, generally for a specific period or amount of time, then the company takes a few days to compile data from that usage. Then you implement fixes, and then do it over again. I'm not saying that using pre-orders for your selection pool is a good way to set up your beta - especially since "beta test" has become synonymous with "early access as a pre-order incentive". But in as far as what a beta test actually is supposed to be, I can't really fault Bethesda for the way they have structured this in intervals.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:31
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Doesn't really line up with the letter though, or them stating it'd be a full beta, then 4-8 hours a day, now a few hours every couple of days. I dunno it seems like there's some panic at Bethesda right now and they're trying to damage control, they don't want people bored and pissed off at the game pre launch
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Oct 24, 2018 21:34
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Todd Howard said straight-up he wants the players to break the game as much as possible early after launch. We're basically getting an early-access triple-A game here. If you know what you're getting into (like me) then go for it. Otherwise, you can always hold off until they patch the major problems. For me I'm willing to put up with even game-breaking jank just to play a fallout bethesda game with pals. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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NeurosisHead posted:I feel weird for defending this, but I remember a time when beta testing was exactly what Bethesda is doing here. Alpha testing you do internally in development. For the beta test a specific group of people is given access to a piece of software, generally for a specific period or amount of time, then the company takes a few days to compile data from that usage. Then you implement fixes, and then do it over again. There's nowhere near enough time for them to do any proper fixes at this point. It's just a way to get people hyped for the game 'cause they didn't get enough time to play it until it started to grate.
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Spacedad posted:Todd Howard said straight-up he wants the players to break the game as much as possible early after launch. he said that because then they'd already have all your money you're paying full price for an early access game that won't get fixed just fuckin lol
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Oct 24, 2018 21:41
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Gort posted:There's nowhere near enough time for them to do any proper fixes at this point. It's just a way to get people hyped for the game 'cause they didn't get enough time to play it until it started to grate. I agree that there isn't time to actually fix (many) things, unless they rebuilt their code out of the spaghetti monster it always has been. But I think that given the limited amounts of time available, pattern of progression required to "expand", and expansiveness of the beta testing segment they could get really valuable data for what needs to be fixed in specific chunks of content. If that's what they're doing, I'd prefer the game be launched without needing an endless stream of bugfixes to make it playable as much as anybody. But I respect at least taking the right steps to support and refine the game when that's not the case.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:47
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Spacedad posted:Todd Howard said straight-up he wants the players to break the game as much as possible early after launch. You got scammed
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Oct 24, 2018 21:47
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Todd Howard: alright, so the game's broken, it looks and plays like rear end, and we haven't finished it yet. $60 please. Fallout fans: 
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Oct 24, 2018 21:51
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Spacedad posted:Todd Howard said straight-up he wants the players to break the game as much as possible early after launch. I bought No Man's Sky on launch knowing what I was getting into Being There When It Happens isn't worth it
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Oct 24, 2018 21:53
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Spacedad posted:Todd Howard said straight-up he wants the players to break the game as much as possible early after launch. drat dude, you really shouldn't let yourself get scammed so proudly
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Oct 24, 2018 21:54
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NeurosisHead posted:I agree that there isn't time to actually fix (many) things, unless they rebuilt their code out of the spaghetti monster it always has been. But I think that given the limited amounts of time available, pattern of progression required to "expand", and expansiveness of the beta testing segment they could get really valuable data for what needs to be fixed in specific chunks of content. If that's what they're doing, I'd prefer the game be launched without needing an endless stream of bugfixes to make it playable as much as anybody. But I respect at least taking the right steps to support and refine the game when that's not the case. All good reasons to buy in a year
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Donovan Trip posted:All good reasons to buy in a year Agreed, totally. Now that I see the structure of how they're rolling the game out and refining it basically as they go, I don't have the pre-order bug. I don't want to be hype for the game just because it's Fallout, but I want to give it a fair shake assuming that the developers are interested in making a good faith effort at making a game that I might have fun playing. I think that if you treat a pre-order or early purchase as investing in the development of the game and having the privilege to play before it's done it could be worth it (depending on how much you value your money and time).
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Mr Hootington posted:Ps4 and PC only get 1hour 1 day. Microsoft paid for the extra day and hours. Bethesda published in their forums an FAQ stating the PC Beta would start on the 30th of October, and but didn't state how long it was going to run for. I seriously doubt they will do the PC Beta just for 1 hour on the 30th. They did state that all progress done during beta would carry over to game launch.
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I think the real reason they have a very limited is to control the message. There can be other reasons, but I don't think thats the one here. Same reason we have things like review embargos, they are not confident the game could survive mmo players having true free reign withouth that trigering some sort of controversy about some minutia. They are not wrong, mmo players can do that and even more. But is probably not very good a game if they have so little confidence on it. . Tei fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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NeurosisHead posted:Agreed, totally. Now that I see the structure of how they're rolling the game out and refining it basically as they go, I don't have the pre-order bug. I don't want to be hype for the game just because it's Fallout, but I want to give it a fair shake assuming that the developers are interested in making a good faith effort at making a game that I might have fun playing. I think that if you treat a pre-order or early purchase as investing in the development of the game and having the privilege to play before it's done it could be worth it (depending on how much you value your money and time). Lol wtf why are goons so good at talking themselves into buying garbage It’s not an investment, Bethesda isn’t some plucky fuckin indie dev who needs your $60 so they can eat tonight, and you won’t get returns on your money. It’s you talking yourself into giving money to a multimillion dollar company for a product that THEY hosed up because you have brain worms.
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NeurosisHead posted:I agree that there isn't time to actually fix (many) things, unless they rebuilt their code out of the spaghetti monster it always has been. But I think that given the limited amounts of time available, pattern of progression required to "expand", and expansiveness of the beta testing segment they could get really valuable data for what needs to be fixed in specific chunks of content. If that's what they're doing, I'd prefer the game be launched without needing an endless stream of bugfixes to make it playable as much as anybody. But I respect at least taking the right steps to support and refine the game when that's not the case. I think it's hilarious you people are so willing to shill for this, myself
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Lol wtf why are goons so good at talking themselves into buying garbage Username/post combo
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but if Fallout 76 does not make a billion dollars, Todd might have to release Skyrim again, do you want that on your conscience,
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They seem to be doing a terrible job of controlling the message unless they were aiming for 'tepid, bordering on hostile' so I don't know of it's working... or maybe they were hoping that all those early access streams would pressure people into preordering as well since they have no will power. I'm hoping once they do the PC beta people will be able to start pulling the game apart to see what's going on under the hood. Maybe we'll get some juicy tidbits of information then. Or we'll get really lucky and some group will figure out how to crack it first thing before the game even hits the market.
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Yeah my feeling on the short beta (running less than a month before launch) and even shorter hours of operation is it's probably to prevent people from really experiencing how bad the game is. They're trying to build hype by letting people play for 5 hours when the game is at it's best, shiny and new. If they played for 20 hours you'd realize there's really only 5 hours of entertainment value in radiant quests and empty worlds, but the people who play in the beta are going to have high hopes that 'wow I can't to see what I find!' at first. Not to mention doing a beta for only pre-orders is self-selecting a group of players who are already excited for the game. These are the people who are MOST likely to be 'wow this is awesome, I'm so hyped to play more', after all, they pre-ordered. So, pick the people most likely to make positive buzz, don't let them play long enough to see how lacking the game is. Hope that generates enough positive feelings to move a million copies and don't allow returns. Maybe do some PR patches about how 'no really we haven't abandoned the game guys, look we fixed one bug!' post release and hope everybody forgets about it by the time fallout 5 shows up.  reality hurtsPsychotic Weasel posted:They seem to be doing a terrible job of controlling the message unless they were aiming for 'tepid, bordering on hostile' so I don't know of it's working... I think this combined with the points in the rest of my post is the most damning thing. This is the LITERAL BEST CASE SCENARIO for them to run a beta in with the best odds of getting people excited, and the reaction is STILL lukewarm to negative.
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Love 2 buy broken unfinished game on a storefront with no refund support
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NeurosisHead posted:Agreed, totally. Now that I see the structure of how they're rolling the game out and refining it basically as they go, I don't have the pre-order bug. I don't want to be hype for the game just because it's Fallout, but I want to give it a fair shake assuming that the developers are interested in making a good faith effort at making a game that I might have fun playing. I think that if you treat a pre-order or early purchase as investing in the development of the game and having the privilege to play before it's done it could be worth it (depending on how much you value your money and time). alternatively, the huge multi-billion dollar corporation could spend their huge profits on completing their game first and then charge for it. Bethesda is worth 3 billion dollars the game releasing like this is brazen greed
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:he said that because then they'd already have all your money Yep. Yep. Yep. All correct. Guilty as charged. I bought this game knowing full well about all of this. Like I said, I wanted to see how badly they hosed this up. And if there's some fun in there too or they manage to sufficiently fix things, good. It's weird but I actually wasn't sold on this game until I heard a dev in a documentary about the game's making-of that they pretty much used the gamebryo engine but ripped out the parts that made the player's vision the center of the game engine's universe. I knew that would inevitably lead to a LOT of corner-cutting and jury-rigging in the game. So I decided to get it just to see how they hosed up or where they succeeded in backending this single-player engine for multiplayer. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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I only wish I could have given them the 200 before the Power Armor Edition sold out.
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