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qirex posted:So the advance lever on the new Leica M10-D? It turns out it's for nothing. It's purely decorative and Leica themselves says it should be used as a thumb rest. ...lol
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Blackhawk posted:...lol can’t wait to cosplay a real photographer
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Oct 24, 2018 18:22
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Blackhawk posted:...lol Holy poo poo, that’s amazing. I had read elsewhere speculations defending it, saying that we shouldn’t criticize it because it would have a function. I guess that solves that. I wonder if it moves - it could be like a fidget spinner on your camera, or you could move it every time you take a photo to make people think you are shooting film, but then I guess it wouldn’t work as a thumb rest.
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Oct 24, 2018 19:04
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quote:To further enhance the analog look and experience of this camera, the Leica M10-D features an integrated fold-out thumb rest, reminiscent of a classic film advance lever, which aids in the ergonomics and handling of the camera – especially when shooting one-handed. 
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Oct 24, 2018 19:11
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hahahaha wow. Like, make it create/start filling a new folder, or something, but drat
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Oct 24, 2018 19:19
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It should change to a different random filter effect each time.
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Oct 24, 2018 19:25
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It should delete the last photo you took
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Oct 24, 2018 19:37
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It should produce funny sound effects. Fun at parties, more smiles in your street photography, and it helps draw attention to yourself which I can only assume was the whole point.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:15
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Splinter posted:It should delete the last photo you took
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Oct 24, 2018 20:20
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Anyone who buys one clearly has more money than they need so it should deliver a fatal electric shock then repeatedly state 'This person was found guilty of, and excuted for, Theft From The People' over a soundtrack of The Internationale.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:53
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So can you not advance the lever in satisfying winding motion? gently caress you Leica!
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Oct 24, 2018 21:43
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tino posted:So can you not advance the lever in satisfying winding motion? gently caress you Leica! In 2022 there will be a M10-DR with realistic haptic winder-feel and a built in speaker that plays gear and spring noises. It will cost twenty thousand dollars.
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Oct 24, 2018 22:08
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I have to imagine that they are deliberately taking the piss now. You can't design something like that with a straight face.
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Oct 24, 2018 22:17
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Leica is really behind the curve. https://www.diyphotography.net/yashica-y35-digifilm-camera-review-teardown-dont-buy-this-sht/
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Oct 24, 2018 23:08
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tino posted:So can you not advance the lever in satisfying winding motion? gently caress you Leica! Kai W. did a little video with it on YouTube today and no, it just goes out and back in with no satisfying mechanical feedback like you’d get from actually advancing film. He likes it though and thinks that we should knock it until we try it.
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Oct 25, 2018 00:29
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I've seen a lot of people buy those little thumbsup things that slide into the hotshoe so that it gives a better grip. I've tried it and it really feels a lot more comfortable. But paying for that on a M10D is a different story...
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alkanphel posted:I've seen a lot of people buy those little thumbsup things that slide into the hotshoe so that it gives a better grip. I've tried it and it really feels a lot more comfortable. But paying for that on a M10D is a different story...
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Oct 25, 2018 00:36
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Splinter posted:It should delete the last photo you took I would no-poo poo find that extremely useful. Constantly filling up my SD cards with garbage. A one-action fast delete would help cut that down immensely. Of course one would just have to accept that sometimes their choice keepers would get accidentally deleted.
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SMERSH Mouth posted:I would no-poo poo find that extremely useful. Constantly filling up my SD cards with garbage. A one-action fast delete would help cut that down immensely. Of course one would just have to accept that sometimes their choice keepers would get accidentally deleted. A camera live streams itself photos to Instagram. Only photos that reach certain rating threshold will be kept, all the rest are deleted.
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Oct 25, 2018 02:17
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I use a thumbsup grip on my xpro2 and x100f it's very good. I'm all for taking the wind out of Leica but this is legit a good addition to a rf body.
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Oct 25, 2018 03:01
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qirex posted:In 2022 there will be a M10-DR with realistic haptic winder-feel and a built in speaker that plays gear and spring noises. It will cost twenty thousand dollars. wanna see the knobfeel review of dat camera
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Oct 25, 2018 05:32
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qirex posted:So the advance lever on the new Leica M10-D? It turns out it's for nothing. It's purely decorative and Leica themselves says it should be used as a thumb rest. That's hilarious. Leicas are a massive status symbol here for wealthy SE Asians who don't give a poo poo about taking photos with it. I regularly see dudes walking about (and it's always dudes) with a Leica slung over their shoulder purely as a fashion accessory. In at least two separate cases I've seen so far, the camera didn't even have a lens attached, just the body cap.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:40
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:wanna see the knobfeel review of dat camera I didnt know your mother did camera reviews
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Oct 25, 2018 05:40
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SMERSH Mouth posted:I would no-poo poo find that extremely useful. Constantly filling up my SD cards with garbage. A one-action fast delete would help cut that down immensely. Of course one would just have to accept that sometimes their choice keepers would get accidentally deleted. The irony is that on a camera with a LCD (or even EVF) preview, yeah that actually does sound kind of useful. So even if it could provide a useful function, it still can't.
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Helen Highwater posted:That's hilarious. Leicas are a massive status symbol here for wealthy SE Asians who don't give a poo poo about taking photos with it. I regularly see dudes walking about (and it's always dudes) with a Leica slung over their shoulder purely as a fashion accessory. In at least two separate cases I've seen so far, the camera didn't even have a lens attached, just the body cap.  JFC
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Helen Highwater posted:That's hilarious. Leicas are a massive status symbol here for wealthy SE Asians who don't give a poo poo about taking photos with it. I regularly see dudes walking about (and it's always dudes) with a Leica slung over their shoulder purely as a fashion accessory. In at least two separate cases I've seen so far, the camera didn't even have a lens attached, just the body cap. Maybe they are pinhole photography connoisseur heh.
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So I've decided to get back into photography, and having gotten rid of my DSLR a while back and not wanting a huge thing to (never) lug around, am thinking about a mirrorless. From what I've read, the Sony a6000 is a good option for my budget (~$500), are there any other cameras around this price range that are comparable? e: Seems like the Fuji XT100 might be a good option, anyone have that one? Kazy fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Kazy posted:So I've decided to get back into photography, and having gotten rid of my DSLR a while back and not wanting a huge thing to (never) lug around, am thinking about a mirrorless. Buy my Fuji X-T20 in the for sale thread, seriously! I’m only selling it because my wife didn’t use it.
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Helen Highwater posted:That's hilarious. Leicas are a massive status symbol here for wealthy SE Asians who don't give a poo poo about taking photos with it. I regularly see dudes walking about (and it's always dudes) with a Leica slung over their shoulder purely as a fashion accessory. In at least two separate cases I've seen so far, the camera didn't even have a lens attached, just the body cap. I'll agree with this, but the good news is that for every 10 of these guys there's 1 guy actually trying. I like this guy, who has an original Monochrom and had an M-P but seems to have traded it for an M10-P recently: https://twitter.com/jigen0211 He also expected something different out of that drat lever: https://twitter.com/jigen0211/status/1055083423159615488 (the translate button is relatively accurate here, the last tweet is referencing sources). I too am confused by Leica's thumb rest. The addition of wifi (for playback?) and EVF that lacks playback function to the M-D is also questionably useless. I don't think they're actually asking owners what they want, which has been an issue for Leica in the past with their extra-boutique cameras, and listening to them is how the exclusive M Edition 60 became the mainstream M-D. I like my M-D and it's not a working camera, but even the M10-D with a fully functional EVF could have been a stand in for an occasional working camera that scratched both itches just enough. This though, nope. They took a good simple camera (the M-D) and added bells and whistles to it for no rhyme or reason. In other working camera news I actually like my EOS R, it's the 5D4 I always wanted in the dark. I did some high ISO testing with it at my kids band concert last night and I am very impressed all the way to ISO 40k. If only the 5D4 would've had the auto-focus capability of the R... now I just need Novoflex to actually start shipping the EOSR to LEM adapter so I don't have any need to buy new primes.
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I actually legit want a digital rangefinder without an LCD screen. I think it’d be a good idea to forego the LCD to have a thinner profile, lower cost, and better battery life. Of course, this is Leica, so enjoy spending 8 grand for a camera without an LCD.
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This might be a dumb question, but is there any way to make it quicker to activate the wifi on the X-T20? I'd like to stick it on the Q menu, but I don't see a way to do that.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I actually legit want a digital rangefinder without an LCD screen. I think it’d be a good idea to forego the LCD to have a thinner profile, lower cost, and better battery life. Serious chat: Email Cosina and tell them to make their goddamned digital rangefinder. It's been hinted at a dozen times, I can't figure out why it never happens. I only bought my M-D because in process of moving back to the U.S., I realized the cost of film and film economy for development (even materials) was not worth the inconvenience over Tokyo (which still has drop off/pick up film service all over), but I still wanted the same experience. I already owned a ton of M mount glass. I also had a pile of cash from selling all my Canon gear I had acquired over half a decade. Film prices here are about $6 for a roll of Tri-X 400 and $8 for Portra 400. Figuring $11 for development costs that get you negatives back, that's $17 for B&W per roll or $19 for color. Same price, nearly 10% cheaper in Japan, if you look at the exchange rate. I figured it was going to take around 15k frames (400-450 rolls of 36 exposure film) depending on the above to make my camera body money back in not having development costs and since I'm now at about 22k frames yeah I'd agree. I am now saving money, if you ignore the one new lens I buy roughly yearly (though this year I bought an EOS R and the RF24-105/4 kit). You could try putting tape over an X-Pro2 or something but it's really not the same. I tried. The lack of an actual rangefinder in the viewfinder doesn't help, though I will credit the Fuji optical viewfinder for being a bit brighter. What not to do is buy one and keep it in a display case. Leica's digital poo poo depreciates like crazy, I think my $6k camera is now worth about $3k a few years later. But if you factor that into the above, hey you can still get $3k out of it, and given the M8/M9 still sell for $2-3k, it might not drop much more. windex fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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Honestly for as much poo poo as I talk on Leica and Leica owners (not all but the majority of them) I love the idea of the Monochrom. Having a dedicated black and white camera in the digital age is neat and there are technical advantages they can take advantage of not needing to render color. I wish they took more of those ideas and less of the silly useless ones like we are seeing here. And yes, I get that we like thumbrests. I had one on my X100 and used it. The difference is making it look like something it’s not which is stupid and disingenuous when, again, they could have at least done something cool with it *and* made a thumbrest that they could charge an obscene amount of money for if there’s a red dot on it.
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where the gently caress do you go that costs $11 for development that's insane
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Wild EEPROM posted:where the gently caress do you go that costs $11 for development that's insane None of the bulk labs will return negatives anymore, even though they still charge like $2-4 per roll, all you get back are low res scans and no negatives and some only do electronic delivery of scans now (Costco). Cheapest pricing I can find with no local options that gets you negatives mailed back and low res scans is around $11-12 (The Darkroom, Old School Photo Lab). DIY is time consuming. Even if you went by $1/roll for B&W and $2/roll for C-41, that's still $7-10 in film+development costs. Plus all the extra labor. I still do it once and awhile but only if I have a really good reason (and I may do it more since I have one of those LAB-BOX things from Kickstarter coming allegedly). I thought about this a lot. I'd typically develop 3-4 rolls of film a week in Tokyo at a cost of around $100 (film is more expensive, and I'd usually have them print a contact sheet instead of scans). Even if you call that at $10 for color photos (combined film + development cost), and $40/week, that's still only 3 years to cover a Leica body in full.
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windex posted:R chat How do you find the multi-function bar? Some sites obsess over the card slots or video crop but the one real thing that I’m interested in is the handling. Dropping the joystick from a $2k+ camera was a bold move.
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Well sooner or later only Chow Yun-Fat can afford to develop prints.
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Wild EEPROM posted:where the gently caress do you go that costs $11 for development that's insane Here in Seattle my local camera shop charges $10 for dev + scanning, and they only do color. Another local film store does B&W, but they charge 15 for the same. I love shooting film but when you count dev costs, it comes out to about forty to fifty cents per shot.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Here in Seattle my local camera shop charges $10 for dev + scanning, and they only do color. Another local film store does B&W, but they charge 15 for the same. I love shooting film but when you count dev costs, it comes out to about forty to fifty cents per shot. I recently stumbled upon the instagram hashtag #staybrokeshootfilm somewhere. Having started shooting film in the past few months, it has pretty much become one of my mantras. I have embraced the fact that I apparently hate having money because I'm really enjoying using film.
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I wish I could find the output from digital Leica cameras to be as nice as actual film, because yeah, film is expensive. All the more reason to go medium format IMO. If you're going to be paying so much per frame, might as well make them huge. The limited number of exposures on a 120 roll also make you more economical by forcing you to really consider every shot you take...not that any of my medium format photography looks like a lot of thought went into it. Anyway, even with a setup for C41 and B&W chemicals at home that brings the 'cost' down for developing color negative film ($5/roll), the amount of time and effort it takes to get your poo poo correct, dried, dusted and scanned at home makes shooting a lot of 35mm Portra or whatever a real grind. B&W at home on the other hand is, like, a great hobby activity. It's relatively cheap and easy to develop, and super easy to digitize (no color correction necessary). I guess the Monochrom is kine of neat. I like the idea of a digital camera that fully eschews color interpolation by single-color pixels. Now that Leica is forming a consortium with Sigma and Panasonic, I can dream of a full-frame Foveon Leica. Maybe they could call it the M100, seeing as how 100 will be the only usable ISO. Of course this is a joke, but might be closer to reality right now; Sigma have said that they're dropping SA-mount and that all their future proprietary sensors will be in L-mount cameras, which will be shared with PanaLeica. The idea of those three companies coming together gives me hope that they might make some cool poo poo, just as long as each company sticks to what it does best. Unfortunaly the S1R looks like a camera model from a PS2 game, so it seems unlikely that Leica (which had some screw-ups lately but still make arguably the best-looking cameras) had any influence on the physical design.
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