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What I did like was Matt beating the poo poo out of Bullseye except right at the end when Bullseye toppled a small cabinet on him, then 1 episode later Matt almost gets his rear end handed to him by a glorified tailor, and Bullseye is considered the major threat.
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The glorified tailor is a fuckin giant ex con. Dude was housing a swat team of fbi agents. And I forgot about the whole magic dragon bone stuff, did they hint at all that some of the residuals of that might have been helping Matt heal quicker?
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He’s also The Gladiator and used to be a mob enforcer if my dim recollections of comics I read back in the 80s are accurate.
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Oct 25, 2018 02:07
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How is the new Daredevil?
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Oct 25, 2018 04:47
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YOu guys are all forgetting Matt basically getting filleted by Nobu is S1. That was a completely unbelievable amount of damage for him to walk away from.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:00
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:How is the new Daredevil? ninja count: 0 so far annoying friend behaviour: pretty high villain rating: good fights: hallwayish so its worth watching so far
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Oct 25, 2018 05:06
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:How is the new Daredevil? It's good.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:How is the new Daredevil? It’s ok. But definitely the weakest season of the show.
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Oasx posted:It’s ok. But definitely the weakest season of the show. I think it's better than the Hand parts of season two, worse than the Punisher parts.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:14
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Cythereal posted:I think it's better than the Hand parts of season two, worse than the Punisher parts. It's better complete season for sure.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:23
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Rocksicles posted:It's better complete season for sure. Eh. My biggest issue is Fisk. I never really liked him, and in this season he felt too smart, too well prepared, too good at manipulating people. Season one made far better use of him, showing his flaws having just as great an impact as his strengths. Season three, I feel suffers badly from substituting JUST AS FISK PLANNED for plot or character development. Doesn't help that the other villain, Bullseye, is such a nothing character despite a good actor doing everything he can with what little he's given. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 05:43
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Cythereal posted:Eh. My biggest issue is Fisk. I never really liked him, and in this season he felt too smart, too well prepared, too good at manipulating people. Season one made far better use of him, showing his flaws having just as great an impact as his strengths. Season three, I feel suffers badly from substituting JUST AS FISK PLANNED for plot or character development. I dunno, coming from a Spider-Man comic background i see Fisk in a different light, This show has been Fisk as a background powerhouse up until now, where he's become the actual Kingpin. The season long arc of Dex becoming Bullseye was great from start to finish, they didn't make a thing about his powers, which he obviously has. They didn't try and make him a target for sympathy, he just was a broken guy trying hard to be the right thing and was taken complete advantage of, opening himself up to his real nature. For me his story was brilliant.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:54
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All of the Marvel shows are too long, but most of them start off strong and peter out aimlessly around episode 9 or 10. DDS3 feels more consistent because the slower episodes are front loaded, and it ramps up steadily from there.
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Rocksicles posted:I dunno, coming from a Spider-Man comic background i see Fisk in a different light, This show has been Fisk as a background powerhouse up until now, where he's become the actual Kingpin. I personally don't care if Fisk is the Kingpin, to me this season relied much too heavily on Fisk having planned ahead for everything until the last couple of episodes where he hasn't because we aren't gonna have a Fisk/Matt fistfight otherwise. Season one Fisk worked for me as a character, even if I didn't like him, because his intelligence and ruthlessness were matched equally by his temper getting the better of him and his terrible people skills. Taking away Fisk's flaws doesn't make him a better villain, in my opinion, it just makes him boring. I never got the feeling the heroes were outsmarting him, I just got the feeling his plot armor eventually failed to kick in. Dex was a twitchy psychopath at the beginning and a twitchy psychopath at the end. I have no idea how anyone put up with him in-setting given how hard he was screaming "I am going to murder people."
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Oct 25, 2018 06:01
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Cythereal posted:I personally don't care if Fisk is the Kingpin, to me this season relied much too heavily on Fisk having planned ahead for everything until the last couple of episodes where he hasn't because we aren't gonna have a Fisk/Matt fistfight otherwise. Season one Fisk worked for me as a character, even if I didn't like him, because his intelligence and ruthlessness were matched equally by his temper getting the better of him and his terrible people skills. Taking away Fisk's flaws doesn't make him a better villain, in my opinion, it just makes him boring. I never got the feeling the heroes were outsmarting him, I just got the feeling his plot armor eventually failed to kick in. Yeah, twitchy psychopath from beginning to end for sure, but that prgression from a twitchy psychopath holding it all together from his childhood doctor, to the army, to the fbi, and then his life getting rear end hosed by fisk letting him out the gate was interesting to me. Better than how most Marvel villians grow anway.
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Oasx posted:It’s ok. But definitely the weakest season of the show. There is no way it's weaker than season two. Once Elektra showed up Matt became the worst character in his own show and that was before Iron Fist patented it. Also Elektras TJIS IS WHAT I AM nonsense. Also Punisher sections weren't watching either once he got out if prison, The blacksmith or whatever stuff was dull.
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Oct 25, 2018 06:29
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Black Sky. Nuff said.
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The more I think about it, it was working for me right up until the last episode. They wrote themselves into a corner with the finale and they didn't do a very good job getting out of it again. Nadeem's last declaration wasn't really the silver bullet they presented it as, but this show has never really understood how courtrooms work. For a while I was hoping Nadeem at least had an audio recording of his murder, that would have been a more convincing nail in the coffin that implicates Fisk in a criminal conspiracy, at the very least for his murder. Also I like how they had to keep reminding us what SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE Hattley's job was every time they said her name, because otherwise we wouldn't remember who she was.
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Oct 25, 2018 08:15
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What was up with "Hello Karen, nice to see you again" at the end of episode six? I thought those characters hadn't met.
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Oct 25, 2018 10:39
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He's pretending to be Daredevil. Daredevil has met her.
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Narcissus1916 posted:What was up with "Hello Karen, nice to see you again" at the end of episode six? I thought those characters hadn't met. It was part of Fisk's plan to make it seem like that was the actual Daredevil, and I think Karen has admitted publicly that she has met / been rescued by the Daredevil (?).
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Lid posted:There is no way it's weaker than season two. Once Elektra showed up Matt became the worst character in his own show and that was before Iron Fist patented it. Come to think of it, I never realized that she's not mentioned even once through the whole season. You'd expect at least a cursory reference to The Love of Matt's Life, although I'm glad she's not in this season.
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BiggerBoat posted:Come to think of it, I never realized that she's not mentioned even once through the whole season. You'd expect at least a cursory reference to The Love of Matt's Life, although I'm glad she's not in this season. matt mentions her at the beginning a few times when he's healing.
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Oct 25, 2018 11:31
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She's also mentioned in episode 3 or 4 by mind Fisk
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In general, I'm tired of villains who are just waaaaay too effective at pulling strings and scheming, and as such Fisk can get tiresome. Still, at least thus far this is great, easily one of the stronger Netflix Marvel half-seasons. But we'll see where it goes.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:In general, I'm tired of villains who are just waaaaay too effective at pulling strings and scheming, and as such Fisk can get tiresome. Still, at least thus far this is great, easily one of the stronger Netflix Marvel half-seasons. But we'll see where it goes. The most egregious example of this is in episode 13? 12? where he gets to the grand jury while they are deliberating on Nadeem's testimony. The rest of it didn't seem too farfetched since I could believe he was slowly turning people while he was in prison.
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Xealot posted:I agree, on all points. I did appreciate the nuance that even Fisk had a line. That could've been another moment where he's just Worst Bad Guy who doesn't even care about this Holocaust survivor, but I'm glad they went the other way. Also, it was pretty efficient storytelling later, that Dex is an overeager dog who really doesn't have a line and can't be controlled or trusted. Slashrat posted:My read of that scene was completely different. I didn't get the impression that there was any attempted comparison between Fisk and Nazis. Rather there was his acknowledgement that her sentimental claim to the paint is as great, if not greater, than his own, followed then by him stating that he will respect that, because Vanessa would want that. It hammers home that the only reason he is not a complete monster and takes the painting anyway is that he, like Dex, is using Vanessa like a North Star. I actually really agree that the point was not to make a comparison between Fisk and 'Nazisim' but I just didn't think they executed it very well. It's hard to say that there's no 'attempted comparison' when a Jewish survivor says literally that he's just like the wolves that came to her door. That IS a definite comparison. I did think it was interesting they specifically didn't use the word Nazi and Fisk isn't dumb so obviously he must know what she's talking about, but his complete lack of reaction to her story except to sort of muse on a general idea of 'I could take this by force or I could not' and a comparison of I suppose...who has the more worthy bond of love to it, for him she could have been talking about anything I think.
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I was really disappointed Fisk didn't have a mic or something on when Karen came to visit and the idea the room wasn't wired up like that is ridiculous and it was baffling to me that the FBI guys weren't coming in to arrest her for admitting to the murder. Also disappointed Foggys totally inconsequential wife wasn't murdered, I felt so sure after all their scenes were just pretty much 'oh foggy bear I wuv you' it was gonna happen
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ulex minor posted:I actually really agree that the point was not to make a comparison between Fisk and 'Nazisim' but I just didn't think they executed it very well. I honestly took from that was NOT that she was saying Fisk was a Nazi, but more that *like* the Nazi's he felt he was entitled to whatever he wanted because he was strong and others were not and gently caress what anyone else thought.
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Proteus Jones posted:I honestly took from that was NOT that she was saying Fisk was a Nazi, but more that *like* the Nazi's he felt he was entitled to whatever he wanted because he was strong and others were not and gently caress what anyone else thought. You're not a Nazi, you're just like the Nazis. Huge difference there. ulex minor posted:I was really disappointed Fisk didn't have a mic or something on when Karen came to visit and the idea the room wasn't wired up like that is ridiculous and it was baffling to me that the FBI guys weren't coming in to arrest her for admitting to the murder. Also disappointed Foggys totally inconsequential wife wasn't murdered, I felt so sure after all their scenes were just pretty much 'oh foggy bear I wuv you' it was gonna happen Haha, this is exactly what I thought had happened, the FBI guys all rushed in immediately after she confessed. I really thought Fisk had set up his own sting for Karen.
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Rocksicles posted:Yeah, twitchy psychopath from beginning to end for sure, but that prgression from a twitchy psychopath holding it all together from his childhood doctor, to the army, to the fbi, and then his life getting rear end hosed by fisk letting him out the gate was interesting to me. Better than how most Marvel villians grow anway. Yeah I thought they fleshed him out pretty well. Just about everyone has some mental issues they struggle with and are just trying to make it through life, I thought that made him pretty relatable. He was manipulated just right to become a bad guy, he wasn't a crazy person shouting "I'm going to take over the world!" From a rooftop.
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As Nero Danced posted:The more I think about it, it was working for me right up until the last episode. They wrote themselves into a corner with the finale and they didn't do a very good job getting out of it again. Nadeem's last declaration wasn't really the silver bullet they presented it as, but this show has never really understood how courtrooms work. For a while I was hoping Nadeem at least had an audio recording of his murder, that would have been a more convincing nail in the coffin that implicates Fisk in a criminal conspiracy, at the very least for his murder. The show's (heck, all shows, everywhere, at at everytime) understanding of law and politics is hilarious terrible. Like when Fisk makes up accusations against the law firm that brought him down in concert with a woman he tried to frame for murder and nobody bats an eyelid and does exactly what he wants. Edit: Also Cox accent completely slips when he's yelling at the nun in ep 6/7, and it's really uncomfortable. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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ulex minor posted:Also disappointed Foggys totally inconsequential wife wasn't murdered, I felt so sure after all their scenes were just pretty much 'oh foggy bear I wuv you' it was gonna happen What makes you think she was his wife? As far as I know they're just shacking up.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:What makes you think she was his wife? As far as I know they're just shacking up. She's not. He did panic-propose to her, at some point during the season, and they both agreed that was a bad time to propose. So not yet married.
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I thought they made a point to show that the cameras were off when Karen mentioned Wesley but maybe not? I know she kept looking at them and the scene cut to them a lot. And, yeah, the last episode did sort of feel like they wrote themselves into a corner because the whole season was building up to whether or not Matt will break a rule that we all know he's not going to break so when he finally gets into the penthouse...then what? It didn't bother me though since I enjoyed the ride so much but Matt simply beating the gently caress out of him was sort of meh. But I didn't think Fisk was begging Matt to kill him so much as daring him to, likely knowing that he won't. Show did a good job showing how "it's just not the same" with Wilson and Vanessa's relationship too and the actors made really good use of body language and facial expressions to get that across. In the comics, doesn't she start out as innocent little sunflower and then eventually becomes Mrs. Kingpin and become as ruthless as he is? Not sure what people's issues are with the costume after season 1 or Karen and Foggy either. A few times I thought Castle would have fit in well in spots but that may have made the show too crowded. Maybe season 4 if they do it.
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BiggerBoat posted:Show did a good job showing how "it's just not the same" with Wilson and Vanessa's relationship too and the actors made really good use of body language and facial expressions to get that across. In the comics, doesn't she start out as innocent little sunflower and then eventually becomes Mrs. Kingpin and become as ruthless as he is? It's comics so she's swung wildly between being a distant, unloving wife, totally into the gangster thing and barely existing multiple times throughout comics history.
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Finished Ep 6 of Daredevil, and really enjoying it so far, but really not a fan of the tendency of these shows to grind all forward motion to a halt for the sake of flashbacks.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The most egregious example of this is in episode 13? 12? where he gets to the grand jury while they are deliberating on Nadeem's testimony. The rest of it didn't seem too farfetched since I could believe he was slowly turning people while he was in prison. Fisk did this all the time in season one though so it's not out of the blue though.
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LinYutang posted:Finished Ep 6 of Daredevil, and really enjoying it so far, but really not a fan of the tendency of these shows to grind all forward motion to a halt for the sake of flashbacks. You're gonna love episode 10
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