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PainterofCrap posted:There's an old joke in the property adjusting community: We're house hunting and passed on a house (that had other issues to be fair) that had a slate roof for that reason. Me: "Oooh a slate roof, how fancy" Realtor: "There's ONE slate guy in the whole Capital District and he's a doozy" Wife: "Pass."
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beep-beep car is go posted:We're house hunting and passed on a house (that had other issues to be fair) that had a slate roof for that reason. Went to an open house that had a slate roof. The seller's realtor said that they had spend $75,000 to replace the roof 5 years ago. I know it's fairly typical to mention big ticket repairs that were recently done so you know you're getting all that benefit without spending more money - but Jesus Christ that number is terrifying.
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Oct 24, 2018 17:23
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Is it the slates themselves that make it so expensive? I mean, the actual finished product basically looks like a shingle roof made out of rock, so I can't imagine that installation is that much more difficult than for a more standard roof. You have to not shatter the slates when you secure them to the roof deck, and cutting end pieces to size is harder; what am I missing?
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Oct 24, 2018 17:27
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I understand it's a combination of both; the production of slate shingles is more expensive than asphalt, and they are also heavy so they cost more in shipping and lading. While the final look is similar, I think they're also more work to install. Asphalt shingles come in slabs of three, they are light and easy to handle, and you can simply nail through them to attach them. So a worker can move rapidly, placing each slab and using a nailgun to fix them. Slate shingles are singles, and they have preset holes. That means you have to position them individually, and then nail through those holes manually. So it's slower, and if someone doesn't have experience it's harder to pick up. Plus you have to handle them differently, my neighbors were doing their roof and guys were just zipping up ladders with a bunch of asphalt on their shoulder to lay, you couldn't do it with slate so you'd need to do many more runs or set up a hoist.
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Oct 24, 2018 17:52
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Ah yeah, that makes sense. More expensive base product plus them being 2-3 times as labor-intensive to install would do it.
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Oct 24, 2018 18:01
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Devor posted:Went to an open house that had a slate roof. The seller's realtor said that they had spend $75,000 to replace the roof 5 years ago. I know it's fairly typical to mention big ticket repairs that were recently done so you know you're getting all that benefit without spending more money - but Jesus Christ that number is terrifying. We just replaced our roof this spring with 30 year asphalt shingles for just under $5k. Looks like we'd only need to live in this house for 450 years to equal the cost of that slate roof.
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Oct 24, 2018 18:02
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I've been seeing a lot more metal roofs in residential construction where I live. I think it's most of a style thing than anything as it goes nice with "west coast modern" that every rich person wants to build these days. It doesn't actually seem that much more expensive and they seem way way better in the long run. A lot of people here though hate them as they associate them with "modernism" so there's a subset of the population always bitching about those drat ugly metal roofs. Asphalt roofs are extremely susceptible to bird poo poo though. At my folks place my dad re-roofed the only 10 year old addition they built because they of course put on the cheapest shingles possible, but my mom also feeds birds, seaguls, and those guys love to take huge acidic shits on the roof. Under all the most popular seagull areas the roof was like... melted. It looks like someone got into a fight with a xenomorph and sprayed its acid blood all over the roof. So, only 5 years in, he had to replace a few big chunks of the roof again. Feeding the seagulls was banned because they were melting the roof off with their powerful trash shits. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 18:44
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I've gotten a couple of ads for painted metal shingles. Anyone know how those perform and if the labor cost is about different from asphalt?
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Oct 24, 2018 19:12
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We got a new metal roof to replace the old one. I'm very happy with it, I think it looks pretty good. 
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Oct 24, 2018 19:56
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I'd be all over a standing seam metal roof, but I don't think my municipality allows it. Because they'd prefer to have deteriorated asphalt roofs than "unattractive" long-lived metal.
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i like the noise metal makes when it rains  i love mine, and just checking that the gaskets on the screws are still good is about as much maintenance to it as i want to do
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Oct 24, 2018 21:27
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My roof is coming due and I'm strongly considering a metal tile solution.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:50
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What about composite/synthetic tiles?
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Oct 24, 2018 22:13
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I’m leaning towards metal roof.
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Oct 24, 2018 23:20
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You should probably check your foundations. ... I'll see myself out.
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The Dave posted:It was a pretty run of the mill builder bathroom, a remodel wasn’t crazy if you had the funds, his design sense was just loving atrocious and rooted in hilarious sexism. Yeah dude, but  Also, aren't slate rooves actually heavy as gently caress? Like would you have to upgrade roof trusses and such?
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Japanese roofing videos for all you spergs. Replacing 50 year old roof tiles with new clay tiles. (4:06) (Comments are complaining about helmets and mortar) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvpfd7Mrh0 Single clay tile replacement. (2:24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHmFpPe4_NM Replacing old cement tiles with metal. (2:16) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0GPP9T_0k Hand processed copper tiles for a shrine. (8:50)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WiVoHZ7wow Ancient shrine woodwork details, now you're addicted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjE0qPv6qiA "Most Amazing Instruction Equipment and Equipment!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemNlo8XIRU
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wesleywillis posted:Also, aren't slate rooves actually heavy as gently caress? Like would you have to upgrade roof trusses and such? Not if your house is an over-engineered Victorian like mine  Still though, our house is not the type of house that needs a slate roof. And the type of dainty Victorian-style slate roofing that would be appropriate on this house is a dead art. Even though I'm usually the one to be all gung ho about choosing the more expensive but longer lasting option, this is one case where I think regular asphalt would be fine. Now if we'd bought a 20's Tudor revival, it'd be criminal for us to do anything other than slate for the roof - the roofs on these houses are generally much more prominent and visible and the slate is inexorably part of the style. (The vast majority of Tudor revivals around here have slate roofs (a few stone ones have clay tile), and there are a ton of Tudor revivals in the vicinity, so there are definitely slate roofers around in case we did actually want slate.)
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peanut posted:Hand processed copper tiles for a shrine. (8:50) This looks amazing and also like a stupefyingly colossal amount of work. I'm amazed at the amount of time and attention to detail Japan is willing to throw at the crafts. It looks like you can buy mass-manufactured copper roofing shingles. I'm sure they're horribly expensive compared to other metal shingles, but man if I ever have so much money I'm making hats out of it, I'd be willing to forego some headwear in exchange for a roof that looks that good.
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Oct 25, 2018 01:47
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I managed to squirrel away a pile of slate that was destined for the landfill a few months back. Why yes, the garden shed I’m planning will have a Hundred Year Roof  .
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Oct 25, 2018 02:39
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Almost anywhere in the US that much copper would get thieved away inside a year.
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Oct 25, 2018 03:16
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You would never see a copper roof in the states it be gone in 24 hours, coppers like a dollar a pound scrap. edit 2 dollars a pound for fresh copper
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Almost anywhere in the US that much copper would get thieved away inside a year. If not, you know where the witch who eats meth heads has set up shop. Speaking of repurposed building materials, though. Is there any good use for old granite slabs? Not the pretty stuff they put on counters; just a bunch of big, relatively flat, rocks.
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Oct 25, 2018 05:16
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do they weigh at least 400 lbs? this is important
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Fender Anarchist posted:do they weigh at least 400 lbs? this is important Only if you own a motorcycle.
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peanut posted:Japanese roofing videos for all you spergs. This is the most Japanese video I have ever seen.
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Queen Combat posted:This is the most Japanese video I have ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpfAkwLZ2hg
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No shots of helmeted (or ancient, no-helmet) workers calmly doing something that could be a master tradecraft in a room with others without saying a word or wearing any other PPE, though.
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Queen Combat posted:This is the most Japanese video I have ever seen. Ninjaribanban. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMdjJ3w9iM
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Oct 25, 2018 07:44
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Uhhhhh... sawmills? Maybe? Why the hell do this?
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Oct 25, 2018 11:17
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Craftsmanship.
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Rich people are willing to fork out for hand made.
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Oct 25, 2018 14:18
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My dad got a metal roof after Katrina He lives in Missouri but the adjuster said they use metal roofs down there in the gulf
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Fender Anarchist posted:do they weigh at least 400 lbs? this is important Maybe if I pile them up together on top of the motorcycle...
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Here at the building I run, a pipefitter skipped a dielectric fitting on a 1.5 inch hot water heating line run off a wet tap on the main riser. This would have been back during construction in 2001 and it’s been hidden behind drywall since then. This morning at 4:13 am I got a call about our security service losing communication with the building. The fitting decided to fail and dump thousands of gallons of water into all kinds of expensive gear and my office in particular.   Not pictured is the server room which is down about $500k in gear. It’s gonna be a really long day for a few of us here. Today is my 40th birthday!
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Does the company who built your building still exist, and will they still exist once your insurance is finished with them?
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glynnenstein posted:Here at the building I run, a pipefitter skipped a dielectric fitting on a 1.5 inch hot water heating line run off a wet tap on the main riser. This would have been back during construction in 2001 and it’s been hidden behind drywall since then. This morning at 4:13 am I got a call about our security service losing communication with the building. The fitting decided to fail and dump thousands of gallons of water into all kinds of expensive gear and my office in particular. Happy birthday! Have a Birthday Goat Eating Wiring to remind you this could happen to anyone, at any time. 
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glynnenstein posted:Here at the building I run, a pipefitter skipped a dielectric fitting on a 1.5 inch hot water heating line run off a wet tap on the main riser. Extremely similar to an old story of mine. University I worked for had an incorrectly installed valve fail in the water-cooling system for the campus. Said fitting was in the ceiling of the 3rd floor battery backup room for a building with 4 datacenters in it, including the primary for the entire institution. Killed the building power, killed the battery backups, went through the floor to drown the tape library and a handful of extremely important live backup servers, then went through the floor once more to drown the only Operations office for the whole campus, effectively neutering the ongoing response. The only non-infrastructure room it hit was a single office for an unrelated college. Total cost was over $2 million. Best part, the cooling pipe was never supposed to penetrate the battery backup room wall and nobody knew how nobody noticed it was built in the entirely wrong place.
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glynnenstein posted:Here at the building I run, a pipefitter skipped a dielectric fitting on a 1.5 inch hot water heating line run off a wet tap on the main riser. This would have been back during construction in 2001 and it’s been hidden behind drywall since then. This morning at 4:13 am I got a call about our security service losing communication with the building. The fitting decided to fail and dump thousands of gallons of water into all kinds of expensive gear and my office in particular. I see the problem. someone forgot to LOTO
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schmug posted:I see the problem. someone forgot to LOTO Leave Ocean Totally Outside
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