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Agrikk posted:gently caress punching down anything ever. I do not enjoy punching down cables but I will do it before I let an electrician do it. I've met electricians who are good at punching down data cabling and who know what a cable certifier is, but I've met 500 times that number who aren't and don't. There are low-voltage contractors who do data cabling for a living and they are a much better choice to handle your data work, even if you've already got an electrician doing the high-voltage.
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I have never understood why electricians don't just learn how to do Data cabling. I get them to pull cabling for me but they end up making me (my helpdesk guy) terminate it.
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Oct 25, 2018 12:56
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People are scared of things they don't understand.
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Oct 25, 2018 13:09
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I on occasion have to crimp a LOT of RJ45s... (IP camera installs) These make things oh so easy: https://amazon.com/Platinum-Tools-100010C-Connectors-Clamshell/dp/B000FI9VU2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540470632&sr=8-5&keywords=ez+rj45 I have easily went through about 6 100pk cans of these since I found them. No need to worry about getting the length right, and it is easy to verify wire order. The crimp tool cuts the wires flush when you crimp.
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Oct 25, 2018 13:34
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I've never had to crimp a wire in my life. Like, I got the tools for it, I've just had no need to actually do it. Part of me feels like I'm missing out on some sort of rite of passage, but the other part of me wants to make fun of you rubes for your misfortune.
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Oct 25, 2018 14:15
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The only cable I crimped and actually used was a crossover, and even then it was for testing only.
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Oct 25, 2018 14:29
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stevewm posted:I on occasion have to crimp a LOT of RJ45s... (IP camera installs) These make things oh so easy: https://amazon.com/Platinum-Tools-100010C-Connectors-Clamshell/dp/B000FI9VU2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540470632&sr=8-5&keywords=ez+rj45 I have easily went through about 6 100pk cans of these since I found them. I love how the wire order in the provided example picture is wrong...
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Oct 25, 2018 14:58
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PremiumSupport posted:I love how the wire order in the provided example picture is wrong... Well... at least you can easily see that it is wrong!
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Oct 25, 2018 15:08
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Battery from a Latitude e7470: Also, somebody left a wet wipe (still wrapped) from a first aid kit on the paper and it got rolled into this printer: 
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Oct 25, 2018 15:23
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Also, somebody left a wet wipe (still wrapped) from a first aid kit on the paper and it got rolled into this printer: I did that with a postit once and had to call tech support about why I kept getting diamonds printed down the middle of my pages.
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Oct 25, 2018 15:33
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Renegret posted:I've never had to crimp a wire in my life. Like, I got the tools for it, I've just had no need to actually do it. Trust me the second part is correct, it's not a rite and can be a pain in the rear end.
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Oct 25, 2018 15:40
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stevewm posted:I on occasion have to crimp a LOT of RJ45s... (IP camera installs) These make things oh so easy: https://amazon.com/Platinum-Tools-100010C-Connectors-Clamshell/dp/B000FI9VU2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540470632&sr=8-5&keywords=ez+rj45 I have easily went through about 6 100pk cans of these since I found them. Thanks, that looks way easier.
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Oct 25, 2018 15:56
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bitterandtwisted posted:Thanks, that looks way easier. No poo poo. I wish these had been around $JOB-4 when the director decided we can "totally save money if we make our own" Which you never will. Because my salary at the time, broken down by the hour, still meant he was spending waaaay more in labor than he claimed in savings. Plus it meant I couldn't do my real job.
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Oct 25, 2018 16:00
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Proteus Jones posted:No poo poo. I wish these had been around $JOB-4 when the director decided we can "totally save money if we make our own" Haha Jesus. The lengths some people will go to pinch pennies. Even paying someone minimum wage to do nothing else would cost more, and be worse quality to boot. Fortunately I only have to do a bunch maybe once a year, but it means each time I do I'm completely out of practice with the fiddly bastards.
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Oct 25, 2018 16:14
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I'll only do crimping if a new patch lead is less practical - so not many. Talking of rite of passage, I remember when I had to learn and my boss was like there's the tools, have fun. It's not exactly hard though
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Oct 25, 2018 16:34
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If I have a wire and it needs to plug into something then I'll terminate an outlet. If there's no space for an outlet then I'll punch it down into one of those inline sockets. Crimping can gently caress right off.
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Oct 25, 2018 16:48
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bitterandtwisted posted:Thanks, that looks way easier. It most definitely is.. After I found them I refuse to use any other type. You do need the matching crimp tool, though. And the blade on the crimp tool will have to be replaced from time to time.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:01
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Refresh this page repeatedly to see their staff: https://my.bandwidth.com/portal/Login.aspx
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Crimping cat5 is my life today. Because I've never really had to do it before (previous job was phone-based), and we have a bunch of cable that could be chopped down. I don't have much else going on, though, and it's boring and dull. At least I can watch Netflix?
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angry armadillo posted:I have never understood why electricians don't just learn how to do Data cabling. I'd guess because electrical and to a lesser extent telecom wiring is easy to test and verify that everything was done right. data cabling is a lot pickier, it's much more likely to end up with a connection that looks good and even passes continuity tests but doesn't perform to spec. Or just laziness and not wanting to deal with it, as shown by the last page of people who know what they're doing but hate doing it. IMO a 50 pack of 8P8C ends should last years in most environments, you should never be crimping normal patch cables, just use commercial ones. The only cables you should be considering building are the unusual ones. Crossovers, loopbacks, multi-line breakouts, etc. wolrah fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 21:41
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Our wifi uses RADIUS with a user cert that gets issued from one of two CAs. We're probably going to be retiring one of the CAs soon, is there any way I can specify which CA I want to get the cert from in Windows? EDIT: My coworker found it, when you go to Request New Certificate, the certificate properties dialog has a tab where you can pick from the CAs. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 21:50
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So a ticket came in last week. One of our mission critical apps isn't sending data to the vendor like it's supposed to. I've worked with the vendor three times and couldn't find an issue. Today was the fourth time on the phone and after checking every log and every process I hear "gently caress... Our server is down..." Their server was down for a week and nobody there knew...
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Oct 25, 2018 22:04
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Battery from a Latitude e7470: Whats the storey with this one?
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Refresh this page repeatedly to see their staff: https://my.bandwidth.com/portal/Login.aspx I kept getting Chad. I feel like he is the lowest value pokemon. 
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Oct 25, 2018 22:27
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wolrah posted:Or just laziness and not wanting to deal with it, as shown by the last page of people who know what they're doing but hate doing it.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:32
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KennyTheFish posted:Whats the storey with this one? That battery got swole so bad it was forcing open the bottom case of the laptop. Better than exploding, I suppose.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:05
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spog posted:I kept getting Chad. 
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Oct 26, 2018 03:35
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Watch where you are pointing those guns PJ
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Renegret posted:I've never had to crimp a wire in my life. Like, I got the tools for it, I've just had no need to actually do it. I was going to say that it's good to do it once so that you know what it's like, but to be honest, if you have any familiarity with data cabling at all there is not much point. There is almost no value in doing it in the field because there is absolutely no chance that you will do as good a job as the machine in the factory. Unless you literally need to make a patch cable to get it through raceway or conduit or something it's always better to use a machine-made cable, and in most of those situations you're better served terminating it on to a jack (and ideally putting it in a faceplate, but sometimes industrial applications do preclude that). wolrah posted:I'd guess because electrical and to a lesser extent telecom wiring is easy to test and verify that everything was done right. data cabling is a lot pickier, it's much more likely to end up with a connection that looks good and even passes continuity tests but doesn't perform to spec. I agree completely, and I think it's mostly the first one. In their world if something makes a physical connection then it works and that's all there is to it, and you can touch it with a multimeter to prove that it works. In the data world each cable is actually 8 wires and they have some arcane voodoo where the twists have to be maintained and just being connected doesn't prove anything. You also need a tool to test with that costs thousands of dollars ($60k+ if you're going Fluke!) plus a few thousand bucks to maintain service and calibration, and none of your results are valid if you're not also maintaining a certification separate from your electrician's license. Test results in general are alien to electricians. I can't tell you how many I've talked to who didn't understand what was required of them on their contract. It's a totally different world. The real fun is when electricians are hired to do fiber work. Talk about alien experiences.
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The deer in the headlights look when I told my general builder what parameters were involved in running cat7a correctly (after he'd agreed to do it) was priceless. He did an OK job.
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Knormal posted:I'd take Chad anytime over PJ. Virigoth posted:Watch where you are pointing those guns PJ I'd be a bit concerned about an order-entry specialist that's cross-eyed.
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Oct 26, 2018 11:45
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Proteus Jones posted:Which you never will. Because my salary at the time, broken down by the hour, still meant he was spending waaaay more in labor than he claimed in savings. Plus it meant I couldn't do my real job. That's like every job I've had, people paying you a shitload of money, tell you to do menial tasks and then complain that you didn't set up $AWESOME_MULTIMONTH_PROJECT.
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Oct 26, 2018 11:50
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It's the eternal struggle of capex vs opex.
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duz posted:It's the eternal struggle of capex vs opex. Yep, and that's the reason you get "can only fill headcount with contractors right now". Which means you have a conveyer belt with people of dubious skill and talent moving in and out. And when you do luck onto someone you want to keep, you have to fight tooth-and-nail.
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Knormal posted:I'd take Chad anytime over PJ. Jesus Christ, PJ get a shirt that fits. And a grown up haircut. SMH
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Oct 26, 2018 17:53
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You all lay off PJ that dude can party.
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PJ will be played by John C. Reilly in the screen adaptation.
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Thanks Ants posted:If I have a wire and it needs to plug into something then I'll terminate an outlet. If there's no space for an outlet then I'll punch it down into one of those inline sockets. Crimping can gently caress right off. Crimping stranded wire for patch cables is cool and good. If it's solid core then just punch it down to a jack and shove it in a surface mount box or something and use a patch cable from there. Crimping solid core wire is awful. Also, having to use those terrible through-end rj-45 connectors. Those things are the worst. Even if you have the special tool designed for YOUR BRAND of end, it still won't do a perfect job every time and you'll wind up with lovely crimps. I mean honestly, I've never seen so many "oh my god I'm afraid of cables" posts in one place. Then again I suppose it's one of those 'to each their own' sorts of things. I honestly like doing structured cabling. It's easy and mostly mindless once you get the hang of it. Once you get all 500 cables pulled into the switch room it's very much a ~*headphones on, world off*~ sort of job. Then once they're all punched down to the dozen or so patch panels you can get to work making your own custom length patch cables. As for the fluke toners... for the most part they're nothing special. At least not compared to any other brand. If you can find one that has an indicator light then go with that. But for the most part they're all the same. I'm partial to my Greenlee because the probe is really good at mitigating interference. Although having the cable tester built into the toner/probe like Fluke does is sort of nice.
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I can't tell you how many times the garbage toners will happily light up but data still will not pass through a jack, as soon as I have the tech punch the jack down again magically it starts working. gently caress those cheap rear end blinky light testers, punch the god drat jack down again like I'm paying you to do.
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