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I hope the super rich do go to Mars. I want them to experience firsthand what it’s like to live in a place with extreme resource limitations in which capitalism is utterly impossible. A place where there is nowhere to run or hide when things get uncomfortable for them. Whether everyone lives or dies, at the very least the rich will not have a good time on Mars.
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The Skeleton King posted:I hope the super rich do go to Mars. I want them to experience firsthand what it’s like to live in a place with extreme resource limitations in which capitalism is utterly impossible. A place where there is nowhere to run or hide when things get uncomfortable for them. *Rich person sees readout showing there's only enough food for a quarter of the colonists to make it to the next supply drop* *Thinks for a moment, puts on environment suit, opens external hatches, killing everyone else. Reseals and repressurizes outpost, takes off helmet. * "I did what I had to do to survive, I'm a hero."
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Oct 25, 2018 18:26
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The Skeleton King posted:I hope the super rich do go to Mars. I want them to experience firsthand what it’s like to live in a place with extreme resource limitations in which capitalism is utterly impossible. A place where there is nowhere to run or hide when things get uncomfortable for them. I guarantee you if the rich are even slightly uncomfortable on Mars every country on Earth will team up to send a rescue ship to save the poor miserable souls from their own idiocy.
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Oct 25, 2018 18:53
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Shame Boy posted:I guarantee you if the rich are even slightly uncomfortable on Mars every country on Earth will team up to send a rescue ship to save the poor miserable souls from their own idiocy. the cross AMLO-Bernie-Corbyn-Melenchon alliance will be the first to deploy nuclear weapons on the surface of Mars in case of this coming to pass
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Oct 25, 2018 18:57
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The Skeleton King posted:I hope the super rich do go to Mars. I want them to experience firsthand what it’s like to live in a place with extreme resource limitations in which capitalism is utterly impossible. A place where there is nowhere to run or hide when things get uncomfortable for them. This is exactly why no one is going to go to Mars. No profit to be made there. you can't expect the private sector to care about places where exploitation is pretty much impossible. NASA got "us" on the Moon in 1969 using a computer thousands of times less powerful than a smartphone. Now they can't even get people in space without Russian help, and the entire private aerospace/defense industry in the US is just a gigantic grifting operation Elon Musk is a loser; he will not usher humanity into a new age of space colonization.
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Oct 25, 2018 18:59
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so at this point is japan the best case scenario for capitalism ? whereas the world is more likely to become like Brazil
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Don Pigeon posted:This is exactly why no one is going to go to Mars. No profit to be made there. you can't expect the private sector to care about places where exploitation is pretty much impossible. “Without Russian help” is/was a choice made to keep Russian rocket scientists from proliferating technology, knowledge and their abilities. Pay them to put your astronauts in space, which pays their scientists. There is nothing stopping SpaceX from putting some seats into their Dragon capsule and sending people up, with the exception of the bureaucratic red tape and time it takes to get something certified as man rated.
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Oct 25, 2018 19:46
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Coldwar timewarp posted:“Without Russian help” is/was a choice made to keep Russian rocket scientists from proliferating technology, knowledge and their abilities. Pay them to put your astronauts in space, which pays their scientists. There is nothing stopping SpaceX from putting some seats into their Dragon capsule and sending people up, with the exception of the bureaucratic red tape and time it takes to get something certified as man rated. Somehow Teslas are on the road
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Oct 25, 2018 19:53
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Coldwar timewarp posted:“Without Russian help” is/was a choice made to keep Russian rocket scientists from proliferating technology, knowledge and their abilities. Pay them to put your astronauts in space, which pays their scientists. There is nothing stopping SpaceX from putting some seats into their Dragon capsule and sending people up, with the exception of the bureaucratic red tape and time it takes to get something certified as man rated. i don't want spaceX, i want NASA 
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Oct 25, 2018 20:14
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Hey, and if SpaceX accidentally blows a hole in the atmosphere again, that's just business. They're really competent, you know - if only they didn't have to deal with all that red tape!
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Oct 25, 2018 20:27
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Jel Shaker posted:so at this point is japan the best case scenario for capitalism ? whereas the world is more likely to become like Brazil nah, they've got hella chuds, a 20-year head start on the internet-enabled alt-right, japanese companies are worldbeating innovators in both permacrunch and abuse of 'contractors', and like western europe it's mainly ticking along on the midcentury near-reset of private property with the added bonus of population decline meaning lots of only children of only children filling the gaps in their wallet with 4x inheritances/2x chip-ins from pensions actually this kind of is the best case, but drat it's a bad one. only 'bright' spot is that the traditional right is all in on infrastructure as voter bribery so at least you get livable dense cities.
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Oct 25, 2018 20:48
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the funny thing is we actually did have a cuisines in america, in fact the industrialization of agriculture and the world wars p much wiped them out
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Oct 25, 2018 20:59
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The salaryman thread in GBS made Japan sound pretty hosed.
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Oct 25, 2018 21:01
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Azathoth posted:*Rich person sees readout showing there's only enough food for a quarter of the colonists to make it to the next supply drop* Well tbf if all the other colonists were rich people it was a heroic act.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:“Without Russian help” is/was a choice made to keep Russian rocket scientists from proliferating technology, knowledge and their abilities. Pay them to put your astronauts in space, which pays their scientists. There is nothing stopping SpaceX from putting some seats into their Dragon capsule and sending people up, with the exception of the bureaucratic red tape and time it takes to get something certified as man rated. RED TAPE!!!  They're a disorganized company at the whims of musk's dumb ideas and with one of the worst corporate cultures in America and the only reason they appear mostly competent is through very careful control of information and the assistance of the whole "private industry can do it better!!" narrative. They can launch medium-small unmanned payloads to LEO for low costs reasonably successfully if you don't care that much if it explodes but geez does their manned program make me hella nervous. More on topic for this thread, my favorite instance of that narrative was when that Orbital Sciences Antares exploded a few years ago - news headlines before the launch were "private rocket ready to launch!" and then after it exploded it suddenly became "NASA rocket explodes on the pad!"
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Oct 25, 2018 21:58
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Halloween Jack posted:I've read about a British movement for real ale, which could be either really good or a bunch of bourgie twee twits singing "The Village Green Preservation Society" together, depending I assure you it is very much the latter. With added sexism, a whole bunch of general chuddery, and an average age of 60.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:07
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Real ale is what you drink if you don't like beer.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:12
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Ale is pig beer.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:14
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Jerry Cotton posted:Real ale is what you drink if you don't like beer. Done right it's fantastic, CAMRA just suck.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:26
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Ale is delish, but for the love of god, remember, it is not drunk warm. Just not chilled. Store it in a cool, dark place like your dry goods and it's perfect.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:41
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Yeah, store it in a cold, dark place and where you can hopefully forget about it.
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Oct 25, 2018 22:50
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People without cellars need not apply.
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I work in solid organ transplant, and in all fairness this isn't really a capitalism issue. There's just not enough donors for the staggering amount of people with end stage renal disease. Actually one proposal is to pay donors to increase supply, but that has its own issues of course.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:10
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opt-out instead of opt-in organ donation would make a huge difference all by itself
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Oct 26, 2018 00:15
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:opt-out instead of opt-in organ donation would make a huge difference all by itself The communists are coming for my kidneys
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Oct 26, 2018 00:37
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mycomancy posted:The university I professor at is having a bit of a Grey Crisis in that they can't hire new people at competitive salaries because the money isn't there. Where is the money? It's going into pension funds for professors who are in their 60s and 70s. How much? The university pays 20% (twenty percent) of these prof salarues into a pension for them. Not matched, just 20% extra. That's a common problem in academia, and it's pretty much entirely administrative bloat and giving themselves raises that's doing it, not the pay or benefits for actual professers or support staff of office workers that are doing it.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:54
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I'd like to know how much goes into gyms, pools, stadiums, etc. If universities were a little monastic, how much would be saved?
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Oct 26, 2018 00:57
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Describe “a little monastic”.
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Oct 26, 2018 00:59
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frogge posted:That's a common problem in academia, and it's pretty much entirely administrative bloat and giving themselves raises that's doing it, not the pay or benefits for actual professers or support staff of office workers that are doing it. 
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The Skeleton King posted:I hope the super rich do go to Mars. I want them to experience firsthand what it’s like to live in a place with extreme resource limitations in which capitalism is utterly impossible. A place where there is nowhere to run or hide when things get uncomfortable for them. Mars isn't for the rich. Mars sucks...there aint poo poo there, there's no Broadway theater, no cocaine, no heated swimming pools. Mars is for us, when the super rich send a billion poors off to Mars to mine for resources they'll stave off climate change for a few decades and buy themselves some more time on earth.
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Oct 26, 2018 01:26
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Yeah it's nuts. In my state every public college/university employee's wage is public record so just file a FOIA request, wait for it to get processed, and bam you know how much of your tax dollars go to adjuncts, tenured professors, office drones, and administrators. That's not even going into how the adjunct system is abused by administrations all over.
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Dreddout posted:The communists are coming for my kidneys i'd gladly give up the one that makes my stones
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Platystemon posted:Describe “a little monastic”. Not sure. I'd like to see a workup for 'classrooms and dorms.' Establish a range between, "zero fluff," and, "current fluff."
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:opt-out instead of opt-in organ donation would make a huge difference all by itself 'Organs for organ doners' would be a good first step. "Hmm, let's see. Well sir it looks like you're not an organ doner so you go to the back of the waiting list. What do you mean 'that's not fair?'"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lznQh9NRqhQ
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frogge posted:Yeah it's nuts. I work at a university and the marketing people send out messages and they spent like a hundred thousands dollars in Instagram and Facebook ads and got a tiny amount of clickthroughs, like they spent more than 500 dollars per clickthrough.
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frogge posted:That's a common problem in academia, and it's pretty much entirely administrative bloat and giving themselves raises that's doing it, not the pay or benefits for actual professers or support staff of office workers that are doing it. Pretty much. As a petty bureaucrat who helps run a department, I typically assist with 20-30 grant applications a year, handle scheduling for the department, maintain several databases for funding streams and academic progress, create and submit expense reports, and do a bunch of other random poo poo that ensures everything works smoothly for the actual educators. I’ve automated a ton of stuff that used to be done via paper forms and documented processes to ensure that all that poo poo isn’t lost. Admin, however, refuses to accept the reality of basic arithmetic and somehow cannot grasp that you can update secure websites with up-to-date forms, preferring to e-mail or fax the blank forms. I would understand if all this somehow benefited students, but it screws them over and creates labyrinths of paperwork which frequently gets lost with zero communication. Reduce administrative bloat, focus on education, and actually train bureaucrats to be efficient and helpful, because we’re here to help people do stuff in a way that can be tracked, validated, and correctly done.
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Piell posted:I work at a university and the marketing people send out messages and they spent like a hundred thousands dollars in Instagram and Facebook ads and got a tiny amount of clickthroughs, like they spent more than 500 dollars per clickthrough. they had a budget to spend and didnt want it reduced the next year
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got any sevens posted:they had a budget to spend and didnt want it reduced the next year I hate how this is a real thing. Its so backasswards.
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Outrail posted:'Organs for organ doners' would be a good first step. turning people’s abdomens into “take a penny, leave a penny” dishes
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