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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The RPGs are mostly really good, just the Lahmians were, uh, not done great on the whole in them.

Bored spymaster daring the dwarfs to come at her is a much better idea.

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Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Eschatos posted:

Lol people on reddit are baaaaaaaad.



On harder battle difficulties the early Norsca battles are pretty tough. The marauders absolutely mulch your units and your javelins can't do enough damage quickly. That's winnable, but tricky. Easier with Wulfric because of his seafang ability to chew up large groups of marauders though.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Night10194 posted:

The RPGs are mostly really good, just the Lahmians were, uh, not done great on the whole in them.

Bored spymaster daring the dwarfs to come at her is a much better idea.

Absolutely. It also implies the Lahmians weren't doing a good job influencing since the Empire pretty much completely hates vampires to the man.

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Ammanas posted:

On harder battle difficulties the early Norsca battles are pretty tough. The marauders absolutely mulch your units and your javelins can't do enough damage quickly. That's winnable, but tricky. Easier with Wulfric because of his seafang ability to chew up large groups of marauders though.

It’s a pretty hard battle for a new player because their frontline is half the size of the enemy forces, so flanking with wolves is going to require a lot more effort and it’ll be harder to keep all his ranged units safe

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

jokes posted:

Absolutely. It also implies the Lahmians weren't doing a good job influencing since the Empire pretty much completely hates vampires to the man.

To be fair it would be easier to subtly convince the Empire that vampires aren't a threat if the Von Carsteins would stop attacking it for 5 minutes.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Personally, my choice for a new VC LL would be Ushoran. He's one of the first generation of vampires, and he's the progenitor of the Strigoi bloodline. Thing is, unlike every subsequent Strigoi, Ushoran is a highly intelligent and relatively benevolent guy - he'd been a diplomat in life, and when he briefly ruled his own vampire kingdom, he instituted a series of laws forbidding vampires from feeding on the innocent and they could only feed on condemned criminals, slaves, and prisoners of war. He even tried to unite the early vampires as one nation for mutual protection, but was done in by the paranoia of the other vampire lords, especially Neferata herself.

After that he mostly went off on his own in seclusion with a handful of followers, only becoming active when the Empire periodically tried to wipe him and his favorites out, but he's been too bitter and frustrated to try taking over the world again and he positively despises other vampires and what's become of most of his bloodline.

Eschatos
Apr 10, 2013


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Ammanas posted:

On harder battle difficulties the early Norsca battles are pretty tough. The marauders absolutely mulch your units and your javelins can't do enough damage quickly. That's winnable, but tricky. Easier with Wulfric because of his seafang ability to chew up large groups of marauders though.

With two units of trolls and a wyrm it should be an absolute stomp, long as there's some proper flanking attacks with em.

BIG MEATY SHITS
Mar 13, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Soiled Meat

KazigluBey posted:

Nothing about game three has been confirmed, the only solid thing we can go on is CA's pledge to at least do every faction that had an official armybook printed at some point. What super special other factions they /may/ do is thread speculation.

wonder if this includes dogs of war

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010

I don't see why not. DoW had a 5th edition army book, and Regiments of Renown were being released up until 8th edition.

Most of the DoW speculation comes from how they're going to package them, like whether they're rolled in with Araby as a generalised Southern Realms DLC.

Blooming Brilliant fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 26, 2018

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Mortal Empires or Vortex?

ME

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Out of all three TEB nations, which one would be the least important? Border Princes?

Unrelated to that, is Todbringer scripted to beeline for you if you are playing Kahzrak? He went all the way to Bordeleaux to fight me. I know they have a lore thing going on so if that's the case that's really cool.

f_c_
Oct 27, 2007

what would be a good CPU in a PC for total war?

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007


My strategy was to immediately conquer the province to the left, then abandon it and move Khalida back to the starting province. When the silver host army comes down to retake their province sneak behind and take Lamia, then it’s pretty easy from there. Deal with Kroq next, and hope the skaven can keep him tied up while you start consolidating the lands directly south of you. Queek is usually busy with the orcs and the dwarfs to your north can hold for a good bit so you shouldn’t have to worry too much about defending your home province. Once kroq is gone head west to take out Queek, then you can either try and conquer Khemri, or just make some trade treaties and alliances with the TK’s and start heading north to take out the greenskins and then your ultimate enemy, the Vampires

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

f_c_ posted:

what would be a good CPU in a PC for total war?

My first turn as Empire in ME:
e: those were the wrong measurements I wrote those down for something else. THESE are my correct measurements:

i5-6500: 00:56
i7-6700k (not overclocked): 00:38
i7-8700: 00:33

I also have a 1080 and good RAM and an SSD and other poo poo, but the processor made the most difference.

jokes fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 26, 2018

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
loving good advice. Gonna kill all the vamps

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Wild Horses posted:

loving good advice. Gonna kill all the vamps

by the time I finally made my way up to Karaz-A-Karak I think I was like 6th or 7th most powerful on the global factions screen, so I checked to see how the vamps were doing (left number is global rank right number is # of settlements)



Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

by the time I finally made my way up to Karaz-A-Karak I think I was like 6th or 7th most powerful on the global factions screen, so I checked to see how the vamps were doing (left number is global rank right number is # of settlements)





That's good news, right? Gonna have a proper hellwar.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Hellwar with vampires as dwarf rules. Handguns for shooting monsters, grave guard, and cavalry, and you never have to bring a shieldwall because there's never a reason to. Artillery always has a place, etc.

Highly recommend protecting vampires the whole game because compared to fighting greenskins as dwarf, vampires are delightful. Shame about no spear infantry, but whatever nothing kills cavalry faster than 3 thunderers anyways.

Savy Saracen salad
Oct 15, 2013

Cythereal posted:

Neferata's thing is that she's the head of a secret conspiracy of vampires trying to take over the Empire via feminism.

If there's a Cleopatra expy in Warhammer, it's Khalida.

Uhm no Cleo was never a fighter and everything she has done was machinations behind the scenes and using powerful players (Caeser and later Mark Antony) to cement her own rule over Egypt. If anything, Khalida looks inspired from Zenobia, the Syrian Palmyrene queen

Savy Saracen salad fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 26, 2018

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

I just finished building my new PC that can run the game a lot better than the old one (ie not at 25 FPS with minimum settings). I haven’t played since right before Norsca but I bought WHII and all the DLC.

What’s a good WHII faction to get back into things? I’d like something easier with a clear expansion route. Thanks!

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Khalida would be more Hetshepsut possibly, or a handful of other powerful Egyptian rulers, including Cleopatra. Yes, Cleopatra wasn't 'really Egyptian' and was a Ptolemy and all that, but most people still see her in the popular culture as Egyptian. Hell, it's always funny when she's one of the few Egyptian people in popular fantasy/fiction (I think Dr. Who even did this) who is allowed to be black rather than lily white.

Given the fact both were supposed to be 10/10 knockout beauties, Khalida and Nef both have Cleopatra aspects. Given that Neferata is explicitly a manipulative badass who's real good at the game of politics and spycraft and who implicitly uses her feminine charms to her advantage, I'd argue she's probably closer to the (popular conception of) Cleopatra than not.

But really, the Tomb Kings don't quite match up 1:1 with Egypt the way the Empire tends to with the HRE. The Tomb Kings are much more of just a generalized and vague mash-up of popular culture Egyptian pastiches and tropes.
One of their army books had a NotLara Croft getting ganked.

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
there's a lot of prince of persia style necromancy and evil viziers in tomb kings lore. It's p cool.

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

Trillhouse posted:

I just finished building my new PC that can run the game a lot better than the old one (ie not at 25 FPS with minimum settings). I haven’t played since right before Norsca but I bought WHII and all the DLC.

What’s a good WHII faction to get back into things? I’d like something easier with a clear expansion route. Thanks!

High elves are a good start. Pretty straightforward and easy with a lothern start. Lizards are also pretty simple as well.

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

Trillhouse posted:

I just finished building my new PC that can run the game a lot better than the old one (ie not at 25 FPS with minimum settings). I haven’t played since right before Norsca but I bought WHII and all the DLC.

What’s a good WHII faction to get back into things? I’d like something easier with a clear expansion route. Thanks!

Tyrion’s vortex campaign is pretty much that.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Wild Horses posted:

there's a lot of prince of persia style necromancy and evil viziers in tomb kings lore. It's p cool.

If I recall, 'vizier' is originally an Egyptian office, funny enough, but yes. I suppose it's only natural, that since Araby doesn't exist in any meaningful sense in the tabletop, that Tomb Kings end up getting a lot of Arabian/Persian tropes tossed to them, too, as such things became popular and since the popular culture version of Arabia, Persia, and Egypt are all basically 'sandy deserts with weird exotic brown folks.'

As much as I like Vampire Coast, and I do, I kind of wish if we got another Vampire faction it was something like the Lahmians. Egyptian flavored Vampires or something. Play up the Nehekhara connection.

EDIT: Actually, in the lore, I forget; what is the 'current' (well, before End Times obviously) state of Lahmia? I know Neferata is off in Silver Peak, but are there still Vampires in Lahmia? Is it just a deserted ruin?

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

EDIT: Actually, in the lore, I forget; what is the 'current' (well, before End Times obviously) state of Lahmia? I know Neferata is off in Silver Peak, but are there still Vampires in Lahmia? Is it just a deserted ruin?

It’s a ruin populated by some local generic Tomb Kings

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


I actually love that Neferata is just so over the top with how she's a sexy seductress who has a lesbian lover and drains men dry. Like to me she takes those negative tropes so far, she turns around and becomes badass. Unlike say Morathi. But I'm also a huge vampire fangirl.

I'm sure when she gets added she will just be boring as poo poo and part of Nagash's faction with her horrible End Times look, but my dream is that she's in Nehekaran regalia, and in charge of Lahmians as their own pseudo race. Kind of like how Middenheim should be a pseudo race with it's own roster but no lord beyond the Tod.

I'd love to see them play onto the fact that she's good at infiltration and seduction and just have most of her army be living units, tricked into working for her. Work in the Sisters of Sigmar. And instead of powerful monsters or hordes, her gimic would be like small model count specialists that are crazy. In lieu of just buffing heroes given how mp works. Like her high end units would be like twenty model count vampires, that sort of stuff. I think it would be cool and it's not something we have in game currently. As well I just want to play a vampire faction and have the possibility of having an army that's mostly vampires.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
If I recall, the sixth or fifth edition Vampire Counts armybook had rules for themed bloodline armies. The Heroes for the Lahmian army were mostly seduced/mind-controlled heroes from other factions, IIRC.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
So I started a campaign as Volkmar and man wow Flagellants are pretty terrible to bring to a siege. What the gently caress do I do with Mairenburg? Also the Beastmen keep loving with me and I hate them so very much.

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

If I recall, the sixth or fifth edition Vampire Counts armybook had rules for themed bloodline armies. The Heroes for the Lahmian army were mostly seduced/mind-controlled heroes from other factions, IIRC.

that's actually a pretty cool concept, hilarious if you could get them from any race

Akthelamahotep the Unending, Skjaldar Gore-Drenched and Skink Priest T'ak'i'laa all decided to leave their busy lives as a Tomb Prince, Champion of Khorne and Priest of the Old Ones in a desperate attempt to get their decaying, armour glad and non-existent genitals wet

Whorelord fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Oct 26, 2018

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I mean, all of those but Araby are already confirmed. The army book factions will all be in.

Also I have a real hard time getting excited about Cathay maybe appearing. Even more so than Araby it’s an ultra-lame grab bag of “things I heard once about China, or one of those other asian places, or maybe saw on Mulan”:

Uuuuuh... peasant hordes! An emperor and he’s like.. heavenly and there’s always one? Those dog statues! Terracotta warriors! Monks! A great wall! Repeater crossbows! Buddhist monks! The monks all do kung fu! They love their ancestors!

It’s lame. Warhammer is full of thinly-veiled actual countries, but thing is, you see a greatsword and you immediately know he’s a warhammer dude. The Empire has its own thing going. There’s nothing stereotypically german about a luminark. If I told you I wanted to make a fantasy analogue to the Holy Roman Empire, you would not suggest that they have wizards who dress like egyptian pharoahs and shoot lasers at people.

Whereas almost every Cathay thing proposed or mentioned just walked straight out of a DnD Oriental Adventures campaign. Plus, Araby, VSea, and Norsca may not have been fully-fledged army book factions but they all heavily interacted with them and slot perfectly into a warhammer game. Cathay and whoever else were and are very much just fluff to make the world seem pre-modern. They are Over There and we don’t know much about them. Having greatswords fight dumb generic kung fu monks all the time would change the Warhammer setting.

Like, it goes from “this one crazy rear end merchant said Khuresh is full of snake people” to “there are snake people. They are different from the lizard people. We do diplomacy with them. Except the leader that shares beastman units, she’s a total tool. What of it?”

As a Chinese dude I would love to see an army of mindless Terracotta warriors, Chinese dragons flying around, Monkey King lords duplicating themselves from strands of hair, Taoist Priests banishing unnatural beings, elite swordsmen jumping and running through the air to cut down hordes of mooks, monks striking pressure points through gaps in Chaos Warriors' armour causing their bodies to explode etc.

But I guess you know, Chinese Fantasy is too dumb and stupid for Warhammer I guess and judging by the way gamers receive Asian settings added onto their Western Fantasy like Mists of Pandaria, more people share your opinion than mine

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
this thread i just getting my hopes up for the 'romantic' campaign in total war: three kingdoms

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010

Whorelord posted:

that's actually a pretty cool concept, hilarious if you could get them from any race

Akthelamahotep the Unending, Skjaldar Gore-Drenched and Skink Priest T'ak'i'laa all decided to leave their busy lives as a Tomb Prince, Champion of Khorne and Priest of the Old Ones in a desperate attempt to get their decaying, armour glad and non-existent genitals wet

iirc they did design with this in mind, so you could only pick from certain army lists for your Thrall hero.

Me and my friends did a Mordheim tabletop game, where one of use was using a Lahmia Warband. Turns out, the Norscan Ulfwerener (basically a Skinwolf) was a valid pick for a Thrall :stare:

It got sniped by a Skaven slinger and died first game :v:

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Once you get your Throgg buffs you can literally make a 20 troll army and never lose to anything

i can confirm this does NOT work against Archaeon's stack of Chosen on Very Hard

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Eimi posted:

I actually love that Neferata is just so over the top with how she's a sexy seductress who has a lesbian lover and drains men dry. Like to me she takes those negative tropes so far, she turns around and becomes badass. Unlike say Morathi. But I'm also a huge vampire fangirl.

I'm sure when she gets added she will just be boring as poo poo and part of Nagash's faction with her horrible End Times look, but my dream is that she's in Nehekaran regalia, and in charge of Lahmians as their own pseudo race. Kind of like how Middenheim should be a pseudo race with it's own roster but no lord beyond the Tod.

I'd love to see them play onto the fact that she's good at infiltration and seduction and just have most of her army be living units, tricked into working for her. Work in the Sisters of Sigmar. And instead of powerful monsters or hordes, her gimic would be like small model count specialists that are crazy. In lieu of just buffing heroes given how mp works. Like her high end units would be like twenty model count vampires, that sort of stuff. I think it would be cool and it's not something we have in game currently. As well I just want to play a vampire faction and have the possibility of having an army that's mostly vampires.

The Lahmians literally run like half the Empire. They're in charge of the Imperial intelligence service, that's how good at getting their hooks into places they are. Neferata is what you get when you take Cleopatra except even smarter and with thousands of years to practice, and also she's queen of the vampires. She's willing to wait for another thousand years for people to get comfortable with the idea of her being in charge.

Her end times tabletop profile is basically "nice hero, shame I just challenged him and he's a vampire now."

Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

I'm 70% sure Neferata in warhammer lore influencing women in the real world is why i'm not getting laid.

What happened to gobbokings channel? i know he was getting heat for talking about the everchosen battles because the pro tier dudes didn't like his critiques.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I hope Gobbo King didn't stop streaming. He seemed like an alright dude, and seemed to get along with everyone.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
Just looked it up and, from Janet On Occasion, on Reddit:

quote:

He's just burnt out, guys. He'll be back when he's ready :)

Heartwarming see you all worried about him, though. I've been getting a load of comments asking me if he's alright :P

I'd watched the Everchosen video a while ago and, if he wasn't being ironic, it sounds like he's in a bad place financially and was really banking on winning some of that prize money. :smith: He also said in the comments that one of Everchosen regulars has been an rear end to him every time, so YT drama I guess.

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

Not long ago I think his channel was also taken offline temporarily because he needed to focus on completing his graduate studies. So maybe that again?

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juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


some total war 'pros' are insanely cunty so it wouldnt surprise me

i would like to see cathay, they have about the same amount of lore floating around about them as Araby does, despite Araby having had a Warmaster army

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