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Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Tatsuta Age posted:

I mean regardless of what Trump tells the military too do, posse comitatus is still a thing

I guess they could step 3 feet into mexican territory and start moving them down but cmon

Uh, the military can engage in defensive operations of American soil, and as long as the White House and military frame it as such, they absolutely can start murdering innocent "invaders" and not run amok of any legal ramifications without those in power holding them to account.

I'm saying this isn't a loving magic spell, guy, it's a political tool designed to stop the president from using the military against domestic political opposition. If they can just start taking kids away from asylum seekers, they can absolutely turn some lovely border town in Texas into a goddamn kill-zone and nothing will stop them short of having a new president.

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Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

VitalSigns posted:

Right exponential growth always lasts forever, sounds like a great concept to bet your future on

at some point you have to either accept that you live in a society with a bloated financial sector or give up all hope and bury your money in a jar in the backyard

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

enraged_camel posted:

If I were a liberal billionaire I would band together with a few other fellow billionaires and organize a hostile takeover of Fox News.

I have no idea why someone like Soros has not done that yet. Because the abolishment of Fox News would not only have tremendous positive impact on the USA, one could argue it's also essential for the continued existence of the country as a liberal democracy.

I think Murdoch specifically didn't include Fox News in the Disney deal to prevent this.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1057018762493341701

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

thegalagakid posted:

It's a difference. The Guard is the part of the military that is supposed to be internally deployable and they hamstring us from doing anything. The MP units don't even have arrest powers unless some major hoops are jumped through which they almost never are. Title X deployments are the same as Federal service, and I don't believe I've heard of a Guard unit being deployed inside the US under Title X. I could be wrong. Federal units aren't supposed to be deployable inside the US short of an invasion and a LOT of oversight. Sending a battalion down there armed for war is going to be a colossal disaster because these guys want a fight. They'll become part of a massacre. This is a disaster in the making.

nah, this is a bit panicky. the regular army gets deployed for bigger events, either to help out local governments during major disasters like hurricaines, or more rarely during public unrest like the la riots. the president has some undefined power to deploy regular troops which hasn't ever really needed to be clarified because we don't typically get completely insane presidents, but us troops have gone around armed on internal deployments before without massacring anyone. specifically the exact conditions under which the president can bypass posse comitatus aren't super clear

and this also doesn't mention the fact that the migrant group is not all going to approach the border in a single block, because none of the similar migrant groups have because this is not what the many different people in the group intend to do. they are going to dissipate and apply for asylum or find quiet ways to cross the border, not near assembled groups of american troops

thegalagakid posted:

E:"U.S. officials say the border deployment under consideration would not include “trigger pullers” tasked with arresting migrants or other enforcement duties. Rather, the troops would offer “logistical support” to the U.S. Border Patrol and other Homeland Security agencies, and would include construction brigades, aerial transport crews and medical staff. "

here's a picture of marines assisting in the evacuation/public safety operations around hurricane florence back in september



you and i both agree it's real dumb to deploy regular troops to the border. i just dont think it's going to turn into a killing spree

Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 29, 2018

Randbrick
Sep 28, 2002
All of my money is tied up in various lobbying organizations trying to make it legal and ethical for lawyers to have sex with clients

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better


He is going to be so coked out by the fifth that the rallies will just be lectures on his imaginary friend's dog

Also with respect to VitalSigns, the correct way to store your money isn't in mutual funds, bitcoin, or gold, it's 5.56×45mm NATO rounds

CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 29, 2018

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Stexils posted:

at some point you have to either accept that you live in a society with a bloated financial sector or give up all hope and bury your money in a jar in the backyard

lol

Bury it as gold though, paper money is worthless.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


this mutherfucker is so goddamn lazy.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


Can't wait to hear what sexcapades he has to tell the Boy Scouts about this time.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


evilweasel posted:

um yes, you should absolutely do this, in an index fund, because when you're saving for retirement you are working on a long enough time horizon that you'll outlast the next slump/recession/etc and you would be leaving stupendous amounts of money on the table by keeping it in a savings or checking account

On the one hand yes stocks are by far a better store of value for your money when compared to the still rock-bottom interest rates.

On the other hand I’d prefer not giving more fuel to funds managers to cannibalize companies in pursuit of unsustainable growth/profit (e.g. the AAA game industry)

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



TulliusCicero posted:

Nothing is probably going to happen, and this is the military ostensibly following his deranged orders while blowing him off and rolling their eyes, because he is still Commander in Chief because our government has no "break glass in case of loving crazy" action that plans for an entire government branch to side with the lunatic.

Perfect document with absolutely no flaws or issues!

They literally do. It's the 25th amendment.

quote:

The 25th Amendment, proposed by Congress and ratified by the states in the aftermath of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, provides the procedures for replacing the president or vice president in the event of death, removal, resignation, or incapacitation. The Watergate scandal of the 1970s saw the application of these procedures, first when Gerald Ford replaced Spiro Agnew as vice president, then when he replaced Richard Nixon as president, and then when Nelson Rockefeller filled the resulting vacancy to become the vice president.

quote:

Amendment XXV
Section 1.
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

No one has broken the glass. Trump is too useful an idiot and too popular with the republican party to throw out of office via the 25th.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Randbrick posted:

All of my money is tied up in various lobbying organizations trying to make it legal and ethical for lawyers to have sex with clients

Just come to New York, it's fine as long as it's not a condition of representation

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004



Remember when Fox/Hannity or one of those assholes used to call Obama the Campaigner in Chief...

Tacier
Jul 22, 2003

Chilichimp posted:

No one watches Shep.

I was under the impression he was very popular among Fox News viewers, despite not participating in their breathless right-wing circle jerk. I guess his viewership probably got cratered when they nixed his prime time news slot and moved him to 3pm.

Either way, Murdoch desperately wants Fox to be a real news network, not just a bastion of conservative opinion programming, so Shep is safe for now.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Triskelli posted:

On the one hand yes stocks are by far a better store of value for your money when compared to the still rock-bottom interest rates.

On the other hand I’d prefer not giving more fuel to funds managers to cannibalize companies in pursuit of unsustainable growth/profit (e.g. the AAA game industry)

Not building wealth and being able to retire in order to own Electronic Arts is quite the take.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Taffer posted:

It's bizarre. The bulk of the news media has moved so far into right-wing apologetics in the last 3 years that Shep Smith of Fox News is more reasonable and measured and further left than a bulk of other network personalities from networks like CNN and NBC.

We live in truly strange times.

I dont get Shep Smith. I mean, I guess he must have a really good contract and maybe he feels obligated to Fox for giving them his break, but you know, hes an actual news anchor who doesn't really seem comfortable with all the Fox News hot takes and fearmongering, and he could probably get a job with another network.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

VitalSigns posted:

Right exponential growth always lasts forever, sounds like a great concept to bet your future on

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

CuddleCryptid posted:

Also with respect to VitalSigns, the correct way to store your money isn't in mutual funds, bitcoin, or gold, it's 5.56×45mm NATO rounds

Ah, the Metro 2033 portfolio

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


How many of these deployed troops won't bother to absentee vote cause I think I'm ok with that

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

evilweasel posted:

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

rare Funko Pops

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

evilweasel posted:

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

Bitcoin obviously.

Randbrick
Sep 28, 2002

goethe.cx posted:

Just come to New York, it's fine as long as it's not a condition of representation
The overwhelming fear bar assocs have that everyone's clients want to have sex with them is very much wish fulfillment imo. Clients are way hotter than lawyers.

pokie
Apr 27, 2008

IT HAPPENED!

Jaxyon posted:

Voting in Cali is super not-pointless. You need to be paying more attention to local politics.

There were like 2 positions for competing democratic candidates. I guess the measures matter, but eh... I fundamentally dislike the prop system.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Triskelli posted:

On the one hand yes stocks are by far a better store of value for your money when compared to the still rock-bottom interest rates.

On the other hand I’d prefer not giving more fuel to funds managers to cannibalize companies in pursuit of unsustainable growth/profit (e.g. the AAA game industry)

The whole point of index funds is to cut the fund managers and their fees out of the picture.

Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe

Tacier posted:

Either way, Murdoch desperately wants Fox to be a real news network, not just a bastion of conservative opinion programming, so Shep is safe for now.

This is a strange way to interpret literally all of the evidence in front of your eyes.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Randbrick posted:

The overwhelming fear bar assocs have that everyone's clients want to have sex with them is very much wish fulfillment imo. Clients are way hotter than lawyers.

Oh I keep seeing it in the local advance sheets but it's always the divorce attorneys which is as sketchy as it sounds

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

evilweasel posted:

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

1) give all money to socialist candidates
2) ???
3) Profit

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
I requested a link to the ad

https://twitter.com/calebecarma/status/1057024038671917056

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Epicurius posted:

I dont get Shep Smith. I mean, I guess he must have a really good contract and maybe he feels obligated to Fox for giving them his break, but you know, hes an actual news anchor who doesn't really seem comfortable with all the Fox News hot takes and fearmongering, and he could probably get a job with another network.

He's only really special because he's on Fox News. If he was on CNN or MSNBC he'd be one of a pack and people would be critical of his centrist/right leaning opinion.

Maybe he thinks he's doing a service. Maybe he's just maximizing his value. Either way there's probably not some bigger contract and position awaiting him elsewhere.

At least until Fox News fires him and he goes all tell all.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

evilweasel posted:

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

Dual lands

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

i know that when i'm looking for excellent journalists, the first place i look is craigslist

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Ice Phisherman posted:

They literally do. It's the 25th amendment.



No one has broken the glass. Trump is too useful an idiot and too popular with the republican party to throw out of office via the 25th.

That's what I mean though. I was talking about the 25th Amendment. It has no safeguards if the entire Cabinet is filled with cronies and yes men who will never get rid of him no matter how insane he goes, and our next failsafe is Congress which lol, has more true believers than him even.

Our system entirely depends on people acting in good faith and doing what's best for the country; we have no plan for "what if everybody involved is a self serving shithead, and lets the deranged President do what he wants?"

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

evilweasel posted:

I am morbidly fascinated to hear what your investing advice is.

I don't have any for ya sorry, if you think it's a great idea money to dump money into index funds on the assumption that someone else will always be there to pay more for them then you did when you need the money despite vulture capitalists hollowing out the economy and forcing more and more people into poverty, go for it.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Lemming posted:

Dual lands

If you're an expert in the field, I imagine you could do pretty well investing in collectibles. The market requires no expertise though, just open a Roth IRA and dump it in an S&P 500 ETF and you're good to go.

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

VitalSigns posted:

I don't have any for ya sorry, if you think it's a great idea money to dump money into index funds on the assumption that someone else will always be there to pay more for them then you did when you need the money despite vulture capitalists hollowing out the economy and forcing more and more people into poverty, go for it.

So are you just not saving for retirement, or...?

Like what do you think people should do with their money to make sure they don't starve once they're no longer able to work?

Obviously the government should guarantee that won't happen, but :lol: This is America.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Someone should go undercover with a camera to James o'Keefe James o'Keefe.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

twice burned ice posted:

So are you just not saving for retirement, or...?

Like what do you think people should do with their money to make sure they don't starve once they're no longer able to work?

Obviously the government should guarantee that won't happen, but :lol: This is America.

it's the freedom of having infinite possibilities to invest the money that you don't have

you don't have to give a poo poo about what index funds do until you've got ten grand to put somewhere and are staring at middle age

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



CuddleCryptid posted:

He is going to be so coked out by the fifth that the rallies will just be lectures on his imaginary friend's dog
I was going to say where is he going to get the energy, and yeah, cocaine.

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selec
Sep 6, 2003

twice burned ice posted:

So are you just not saving for retirement, or...?

Like what do you think people should do with their money to make sure they don't starve once they're no longer able to work?

Obviously the government should guarantee that won't happen, but :lol: This is America.

Imagine yourself asking s single parent who works at McDonalds this question. What should they say to you?

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