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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Party Plane Jones posted:

don't take financial advice from anybody on SA, get an actual investment/financial advisor for your money

i'm mainly saying this because if you took advice from SA your money would be in grand pianos, guns, bitcoin, and russian pharmaceuticals

the problem is that if you don't actually know how to invest, you're a mark and there are a lot of scam financial/investment advisors out there. i know that when i started working as a lawyer i got deluged by financial advisor cold-calls, took a meeting with one of them, and basically discovered they were pitching me on something that somehow involved life insurance that i am now basically sure was not quite an outright scam, but was basically a massive commission for them for significantly sub-market returns.

that's why the "invest in index funds" advice exists: it's simple advice, it's right for 95% or more people looking for investment advice, and it does not run the risk of you getting scammed. it is diversified enough you won't get wiped out, while following investment tips and buying stocks yourself can get you wiped out.

investment advisors and financial advisors can be legit - but if you don't know enough about money to know the basics you don't know which ones are scamming you. they have no obligation to put your interests above their interest in transferring as much of your money to their pocket as possible.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Then get one with a fiduciary responsibility...

learning how to invest well enough is a lot easier than learning what a fiduciary responsibility is, who has them, who doesn't, and selecting someone who does.

evilweasel fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Oct 30, 2018

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Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Acebuckeye13 posted:

so wait should I invest all my money into spiders or not

For your investments put 75% in spiders, 5% in worms, and 20% in little boats inside bottles.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/1057037626132324359

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

Spacebump posted:

For your investments put 75% in spiders, 5% in worms, and 20% in little boats inside bottles.

I'd like to invest in bespoke MAGA merchandise. Anyone know where to start?

This hat is already on the list:

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


I have never had an employer that offered me a retirement plan and I've certainly never had the spare change to put into a 401k. Retirement will never be an option for me.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Dick Trauma posted:

What character should they use for today's kids? Poochie?

https://twitter.com/41Strange/status/984863234816598016

remember epic mickey

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Party Plane Jones posted:

don't take financial advice from anybody on SA, get an actual investment/financial advisor for your money

i'm mainly saying this because if you took advice from SA your money would be in grand pianos, guns, bitcoin, and russian pharmaceuticals

Counter point: just go read some books on the subject because if you’re not making 7 figures a year you don’t need to pay someone to manage your meager savings

quote:

i know that when i started working as a lawyer i got deluged by financial advisor cold-calls, took a meeting with one of them, and basically discovered they were pitching me on something that somehow involved life insurance that i am now basically sure was not quite an outright scam, but was basically a massive commission for them for significantly sub-market returns.
This is like 90% of LinkedIn

EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 30, 2018

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1056946262690299904

I swear Rasmussen must be a GOP run poll

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
some states will have mandatory participation if you work for them in the plans. this is a good thing. for example the state of florida requires that you put in 3% of your salary into one of two plans - either a traditional pension or a 401(a). these sort of methods are good because it's hard to look far enough ahead to see how that 3% is going to serve you, but "your money" being in your pocket right now is usable.

the biggest issue with a lot of investors in these plans is actually the options they're offered. most will be incredibly aggressive until they lose money, then conservative until the market is up. it's an insanely bad pattern and that's because investing, especially for retirement with a timespan in decades, isn't an intellectual exercise. it's entirely an emotional one. you can create an appropriate retirement portfolio right now with a 401(k) and a basic understanding of what a target date fund is.

i am really sad that more and more businesses don't offer these options or even better ones.

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Consistently Tedious!
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1057051952184545280

My :tinfoil: take is that he's being intentionally ludicrous on an attention-grabbing case so as to weaken pushes for meaningful anti-SLAPP legislation on the state and federal level in the future. Because the man lives for SLAPPs.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

tbp posted:

some states will have mandatory participation if you work for them in the plans. this is a good thing. for example the state of florida requires that you put in 3% of your salary into one of two plans - either a traditional pension or a 401(a). these sort of methods are good because it's hard to look far enough ahead to see how that 3% is going to serve you, but "your money" being in your pocket right now is usable.

Downside of Automatic 401(k) Savings: More Debt. New research finds employees auto-enrolled in retirement plans borrow more than they otherwise would have, offsetting savings

quote:

After adjusting for differences in the economic cycle and in characteristics of the two employee groups, including education and salary levels, the study found that four years after hire, the employees who were auto-enrolled amassed an average of $3,237 more in 401(k) contributions than those who were left to sign up on their own. (That number includes both employee and employer contributions, but not market growth.)

But the auto-enrolled employees also had an average of $1,563 more in consumer and auto debt than those who were hired before auto-enrollment. When mortgage debt is factored in, the picture becomes more complicated. The auto-enrolled employees owed $4,131 more, on average, on their homes than their colleagues who were hired before auto-enrollment.

This debt more than offsets the extra $3,237 the auto-enrolled employees contributed to the plan, including the employer match.

VVV
yup, it's real sad

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Oct 30, 2018

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

man, that just breaks my heart. no real way to win.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


evilweasel posted:

that's why the "invest in index funds" advice exists: it's simple advice, it's right for 95% or more people looking for investment advice, and it does not run the risk of you getting scammed. it is diversified enough you won't get wiped out, while following investment tips and buying stocks yourself can get you wiped out.

investment advisors and financial advisors can be legit - but if you don't know enough about money to know the basics you don't know which ones are scamming you. they have no obligation to put your interests above their interest in transferring as much of your money to their pocket as possible.

I’ll admit that anything I do know about the stock market comes from stock-trading board games, but I’ll promise to look into index funds when I have money to properly invest.

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

Party Plane Jones posted:

i'm mainly saying this because if you took advice from SA your money would be in grand pianos, guns, bitcoin, and russian pharmaceuticals

you forgot horseboats, sir

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Craig K posted:

you forgot horseboats, sir

And hot dog stands

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug
The good thing about retirement is that it’s a fast track to death for regressive Boomers. Sitting on your rear end all day getting worked into a rage by Fox News is probably worse than chain smoking Marlboro Red 100s.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Young Freud posted:

Texas, either. Funny that he's not going back down to shore up support for Cruz. Could mean anything at this point.

I mean, the voting machines are switching Beto votes to Cruz. So he doesn’t need to go to Texas, the gop is doing their part by rigging the election

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

I'm glad my boomer father is a union-loving socialist. :unsmith:

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Gab is having a rough day

https://mobile.twitter.com/getongab/status/1057008484821028864
https://mobile.twitter.com/getongab/status/1057029289290403840
https://mobile.twitter.com/getongab/status/1056917418616881152

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Smeef posted:

The good thing about retirement is that it’s a fast track to death for regressive Boomers. Sitting on your rear end all day getting worked into a rage by Fox News is probably worse than chain smoking Marlboro Red 100s.

Hate and spite seem to keep people alive longer than they have any right to. Their generation is going to live into the hundreds just to ensure maximum earth salting before they shuffle off.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Paracaidas posted:

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1057051952184545280

My :tinfoil: take is that he's being intentionally ludicrous on an attention-grabbing case so as to weaken pushes for meaningful anti-SLAPP legislation on the state and federal level in the future. Because the man lives for SLAPPs.

who amongst us has not spent 230.5 billable hours on a motion to dismiss

e: lol
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1057052384231190528

eke out fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Oct 30, 2018

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



“Totally having a normal one! What do you mean I sound deranged?!?!?”

Hastings
Dec 30, 2008

Jesus gently caress, even when you try to do the traditionally intelligent and secure things that society asks us to do to achieve the American Dream and be rewarded for years of hard work, you still get hosed.

I feel like we can't win. :smith:

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Gab is having a rough day

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1057037342807113728

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

evilweasel posted:

the problem is that if you don't actually know how to invest, you're a mark and there are a lot of scam financial/investment advisors out there. i know that when i started working as a lawyer i got deluged by financial advisor cold-calls, took a meeting with one of them, and basically discovered they were pitching me on something that somehow involved life insurance that i am now basically sure was not quite an outright scam, but was basically a massive commission for them for significantly sub-market returns.

Probably pitched you on a whole life policy. The commission for those is pretty good so yeah financial advisors are going to push them. A whole life policy can make sense, but only after you have completely maxed out all other tax-advantaged investment options. Maxxed out 401k, 403b, IRA, anything and everything you have available, and THEN if you STILL have a boatload of money to invest and you also have a need to buy life insurance, then and only then should anyone start thinking about whole life.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



i looked at that motion and Charles Harder's hourly rate is $841.64, after courtesy discounts to Mr. Trump haha

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


At the next time these guys show up, someone needs to bomb them with Nair. Literally wipe that beard off their face.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

tbp posted:

some states will have mandatory participation if you work for them in the plans. this is a good thing. for example the state of florida requires that you put in 3% of your salary into one of two plans - either a traditional pension or a 401(a). these sort of methods are good because it's hard to look far enough ahead to see how that 3% is going to serve you, but "your money" being in your pocket right now is usable.

In Florida's case it's a bad thing because Rick Scott is an rear end in a top hat. Florida used to contribute all the money into the retirement fund for employees, default pension but the employee could switch over to 401(k). However Rick Scott decided to give every state employee a 3% pay cut so they could use the money to balance the budget.

gently caress Rick Scott, gently caress the Florida Legislature, and gently caress the Florida Supreme Court for allowing it.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Dick Trauma posted:

What character should they use for today's kids? Poochie?

https://twitter.com/41Strange/status/984863234816598016

I wouldn't be able to go this far in order to sell merch. I guess I'll never be an entrepreneur.

ascii genitals
Aug 19, 2000




This suicide is because my life insurance was about to run out, do NOT investigate.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

eke out posted:

who amongst us has not spent 230.5 billable hours on a motion to dismiss

e: lol
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1057052384231190528

Or another 64 billable hours to justify why you billed 230 on a motion to dismiss

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004


polls are fuckin trash all around

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

Gyges posted:

In Florida's case it's a bad thing because Rick Scott is an rear end in a top hat. Florida used to contribute all the money into the retirement fund for employees, default pension but the employee could switch over to 401(k). However Rick Scott decided to give every state employee a 3% pay cut so they could use the money to balance the budget.

gently caress Rick Scott, gently caress the Florida Legislature, and gently caress the Florida Supreme Court for allowing it.

its a 401a which is a little different but yeah. that happened back in 7/2011 and they DO have one of the best funded pensions in the nation but i can't imagine having gone through that at the time

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Push El Burrito posted:

The average person doesn't consume 8 spiders per year, one person just eats 61 billion spiders a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKbr8arXVJM

KickerOfMice
Jun 7, 2017

[/color]Keep firing, assholes![/color]

Spaceballs the custom title.
Fun Shoe

Last Chance posted:

polls are fuckin trash all around

This close to an election I feel like tea leaves would provide more accurate information. 50% my rear end.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Rasmussen is poo poo.

twice burned ice posted:

I'd like to invest in bespoke MAGA merchandise. Anyone know where to start?

This hat is already on the list:


Is this real and can I cop it? I see there was one people were buying in C-SPAM but it wasn't quality like this

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/AJDorsey/status/1056992979926335490?s=20

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057059603605831680

ascii genitals
Aug 19, 2000



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057059603605831680

awesome

this loving guy

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Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


His approval among African Americans doubled when Kanye signed on.

To two.

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