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fspades posted:You don't have to agree with everything the man says or did but asking someone on their opinion on Greenwald is a pretty good way to tell whether their politics is poo poo or not. It's like the question "Did you support the Iraq War?" i think he does a lot of good work but i disagree with his general inclination on some high-profile international isssues sentence for me: death by guillotine also I don't know beans about his Brazil coverage, I should probably read some of that before he microwaves the servers and flees to Peru
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the important thing to know is that his husband is way out of his league and he's done very well for himself
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Joseance posted:the important thing to know is that his husband is way out of his league and he's done very well for himself i actually think glenn's cuter 
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Oct 29, 2018 22:53
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so is greenweld gonna be thrown into prison for being gay
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Typo posted:so is greenweld gonna be thrown into prison for being gay his husband is a socialist rio councilman and greenwald has shittalked bolsonaro a lot i have some concerns
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Oct 29, 2018 23:11
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Greenwald sometimes confuses anti-american for anti-imperialist but overall he's done some good poo poo.
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Oct 29, 2018 23:13
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Typo posted:so is greenweld gonna be thrown into prison for being gay Why go through messy and very public legal proceedings when you can just "hope" they get murdered like Marielle Franco and then make funny memes out of it? People keep talking about the government going full Junta but in reality I think you're going to get a lot more "unsolvable" murders that the government will promise to investigate thoroughly. It's just a lot more pratical and it makes it easier for foreign investors to shrug it off while claiming to be working with a democratically elected and legitimate government.
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Oct 29, 2018 23:43
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Can anyone list some organized leftist groups in Brazil? Preferably militant.
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Oct 29, 2018 23:47
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Max Awfuls posted:Why go through messy and very public legal proceedings when you can just "hope" they get murdered like Marielle Franco and then make funny memes out of it? People keep talking about the government going full Junta but in reality I think you're going to get a lot more "unsolvable" murders that the government will promise to investigate thoroughly. It's just a lot more pratical and it makes it easier for foreign investors to shrug it off while claiming to be working with a democratically elected and legitimate government. Also there is a lot of volunteers eager to do this job spontaneous, the police just have to look the other way. People have already started to feel like they can kill gays and trans people Plus there's the militias, which the bolsonaros defended and even tried to make legal. I expect we will see quite a boom of RJ-like militias all over the country and they will do a good part of the dirty work
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New expression I learned last week, and very much applicable here.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Also there is a lot of volunteers eager to do this job spontaneous, the police just have to look the other way. People have already started to feel like they can kill gays and trans people Top it off with him concernedly telling the viewer on a press release that he just got rid of an American agent provocateur with heavy ties to US Election Interference Apologia (With Russia Today correspondents and ties!!11). Hell you don't even have to make much of an effort on Portuguese Coverage, even if you make a Never Trump style thing where you don't want the candidate but endorsing all of his policies you get deemed a globalist elite by their newest hire. Kunster has issued a correction as of 00:09 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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Oct 30, 2018 00:05
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Elias_Maluco posted:Plus there's the militias, which the bolsonaros defended and even tried to make legal. I expect we will see quite a boom of RJ-like militias all over the country and they will do a good part of the dirty work Sounds sort of like the death squads in Colombia
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Oct 30, 2018 00:06
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Elias_Maluco posted:Also there is a lot of volunteers eager to do this job spontaneous, the police just have to look the other way. People have already started to feel like they can kill gays and trans people Yeah I don't know about far-right politics in Brazil but a situation like 90's Turkey is very plausible. Lots of uninvestigated murders and disappearances of leftists, students, and journalists done by fascist gangs and criminal organizations with a dash of help from the intelligence services. You don't really need concentration camps to terrorize a society to submission.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:his fairly reasonable "America is bad" and "distrust anything that seems to support the American agenda" priors have in the fairly recent past led him to be vocally and imo excessively skeptical re: Assad use of chemical weapons, Russian fuckery in 2016, that sort of thing Well, there's also the fact that Greenwald had nothing to do with the Reality Winner gently caress up, as he didn't write, edit, or participate in it in any way other than the reason Winner emailed the intercept (from her work computer) was because of Greenwald' skepticism. Gumball Gumption posted:Greenwald sometimes confuses anti-american for anti-imperialist but overall he's done some good poo poo. What happens more frequently is that even the American left is pretty bad on imperialism overall and tends to get uncomfortable with Greenwald and accuse him of that. On the US and imperialism Greenwald has pretty much very conventional views that are common to the international left. succ posted:Can anyone list some organized leftist groups in Brazil? Preferably militant. PSOL is closely associated with DSA and is the most leftwing party with congressional representation in Brazil. But PT is pretty much the dominant force in the Brazilian left. Most of the large unions, like CUT (Central Unica dos Trabalhadores) and social movements like MST (landless peasant movement) and MTST (homeless movement) are either linked to PT or pretty evenly divided between PT and PSOL. In terms of English sources on the Brazilian left, Wendi Muse and the Left POCket podcast is a good complement to Greenwald.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:10
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Brazil has a big organized crime problem right? If I was Bolsonaro my first job would be find allies among them and let them do my dirty work in the cities and favelas in return for eliminating their competition. That's the Turkish way. Maybe that's already something they do? Once again I don't know anything about Brazilian politics.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:13
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joepinetree posted:Well, there's also the fact that Greenwald had nothing to do with the Reality Winner gently caress up, as he didn't write, edit, or participate in it in any way other than the reason Winner emailed the intercept (from her work computer) was because of Greenwald' skepticism. My bad, I incorrectly conflated the Intercept with Greenwald. I don't know enough about its functional structure to have an informed opinion on whether any of the mistakes reflect on him, so the internally consistent thing for me to do is assume they don't.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:17
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fspades posted:Brazil has a big organized crime problem right? If I was Bolsonaro my first job would be find allies among them and let them do my dirty work in the cities and favelas in return for eliminating their competition. That's the Turkish way. Maybe that's already something they do? Once again I don't know anything about Brazilian politics. It's been done, and the amount of homicides in Brazil is already so stupendous that I'm not sure if any possible tactiquing even exists in that regard
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fspades posted:Brazil has a big organized crime problem right? If I was Bolsonaro my first job would be find allies among them and let them do my dirty work in the cities and favelas in return for eliminating their competition. That's the Turkish way. Maybe that's already something they do? Once again I don't know anything about Brazilian politics. He has literally said that Brazil should legalize death squads that charge 50 reais to kill people. GreyjoyBastard posted:My bad, I incorrectly conflated the Intercept with Greenwald. I don't know enough about its functional structure to have an informed opinion on whether any of the mistakes reflect on him, so the internally consistent thing for me to do is assume they don't. Greenwald is a co-founder of the intercept, holds a ceremonial co-founding editor title, but his only role within the intercept is as a columnist and reporter from Brazil. He does not edit or hold any other functions within it.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:20
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joepinetree posted:
I sort of assumed the ceremonial title was non-ceremonial. Okay!
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Oct 30, 2018 00:23
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joepinetree posted:He has literally said that Brazil should legalize death squads that charge 50 reais to kill people. But why legalize and face international condemnation when you can buy gangsters outright?
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Oct 30, 2018 00:23
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Anyway goondolences to Greenwald's husband for his eventual car accident.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:26
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fspades posted:Anyway goondolences to Greenwald's husband for his eventual car accident. tbf as a rio councilman he presumably has some mobster acquaintances, that might help
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Oct 30, 2018 00:28
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Why mess around with unreliable favela gangsters when you already have control over BOPE?
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Oct 30, 2018 00:36
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Elias_Maluco posted:A typical young bolsonarist Update on this dude: He took the picture down after someone found his profile on a gay dating app https://twitter.com/mixturandoweb/status/1057018267062226945?s=21
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The Unnamed One posted:Update on this dude: He took the picture down after someone found his profile on a gay dating app rip
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Atrocious Joe posted:Sounds sort of like the death squads in Colombia Kinda of, but not exactly. They are more like paramilitary groups created under the pretense of protecting communities from the drug gangs, which of course are gangs themselves and are now controlling favelas much like the drug gangs https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/opinion/rio-janeiro-terrorize-militias.html quote:In their current form, militias were established in Rio de Janeiro in the late ’90s and early 2000s, under the pretext that they were protecting residents from drug traffickers. Although more civilians are joining, the militias have been dominated by active-duty and retired police officers, who essentially assume control of suburban slums, or favelas, under the guise of defending them. One of the bolsonaro kids tried to pass a law legalizing their activity And left wing congresswoman Marielle Franco was most probably killed by militiamen (we will never know now. A sign that was created in homage to her was proudly destroyed by bolsonaristas during a rally (one of the guys who did is RJ new governor) Elias_Maluco has issued a correction as of 00:42 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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I agree with the sentiment that there will be no major political discontinuities for the amusement of gleeful rubbernecking gringos. There will be a lot of suffering, legitimization of death squads, marginalization of minorities, even greater influence of the worse breed of neopentecostais on politics. But no great spectacle, probably. Hopefully.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:41
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There will only be spectacle in Brazil going forward. Trump will be seen as rational and moderating. hth
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i want to know more about this whole militia gang thing, particularly but not limited to the unlicensed public transportation bit (how does that work?), because it sounds like a really interesting example of garbage warlordism fortunately, it sounds like it's going to be a growth industry under Bolsonaro
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Oct 30, 2018 00:47
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The gangs make me think of a smaller scale versus of China’s warlords.
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Oct 30, 2018 00:53
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Militias formed by military policemen and firefighters control access to goods and services in periferic neighborhoods of Brazil's major cities, notacibly in Rio. They charge for gas (the one used for cooking), ilegal public transportation, illegal cable TV (called gatos), and extort money from businesses and private citizens alike in protection rackets.
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The Unnamed One posted:Update on this dude: He took the picture down after someone found his profile on a gay dating app wow, what the gently caress McLovin
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Elias_Maluco posted:Kinda of, but not exactly. They are more like paramilitary groups created under the pretense of protecting communities from the drug gangs, which of course are gangs themselves and are now controlling favelas much like the drug gangs Yyyuup, just as I imagined it. These are the guys who will be the footsoldiers of Bolsonaro, big time, and Bolsonaro's rise will be very good for their fortunes. Also lol at the most prevalent gang calling itself the Justice League.
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Oct 30, 2018 01:44
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Themage posted:who is Glenn Greenwald and why do the succ hate him
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fspades posted:You don't have to agree with everything the man says or did but asking someone on their opinion on Greenwald is a pretty good way to tell whether their politics is poo poo or not. It's like the question "Did you support the Iraq War?"
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cargo cult posted:glenn supported the iraq war lmao He's a rare creature: an Iraq war supporter who actually learned from his mistake.
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fspades posted:Yyyuup, just as I imagined it. These are the guys who will be the footsoldiers of Bolsonaro, big time, and Bolsonaro's rise will be very good for their fortunes. please, it could also be reasonably translated as the Organization To Deliver Appropriate Justice, let's not get silly here
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Greenwald's position on the Iraq war is more accurately described as apolitical acquiescence than support. It's not like he was going out and writing in it's favor out cheerleading it. And he talks about how he stopped being a lawyer and started being a writer precisely because of the realization that the American government will lie about anything.
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The Unnamed One posted:Update on this dude: He took the picture down after someone found his profile on a gay dating app
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