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MLMs sure have a lot of traction with stay at home moms. Its funny how gullible people are; the same people that would  at the zillionth school fundraiser selling overpriced wrapping paper will gladly shill this crap. People will groan at lovely Etsy products but in that case at least the person is making something tangible themselves, with more freedom to just stop if they are tired of losing money on it. But MLMs really suck people in. I'm especially surprised people still think they can hock products this way when you can just buy stuff on Amazon or Alibaba.
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Oct 30, 2018 16:13
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Man, some people get a raise and go frickin hog wild https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/9smha6/plenty_of_debt_trying_to_work_on_bettering_my/ Plenty of debt, trying to work on bettering my habits quote:So this is half getting things off my chest and half looking for advice. Kind of a long story but I'll keep it simple.
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Oct 30, 2018 16:38
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therobit posted:My wife at one point wanted to write a book about MLMs when she noticed every stay at home mom she knew was doing them, so she signed up with Meleluca to learn about it. ah yes, the Pete Townshend defense
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Oct 30, 2018 16:49
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Cutco knives seem OK enough, and you can't put a price on watching an incredibly nervous teenager try to cut a penny in half with scissors. I just feel bad supporting the model, though. They've got to sell $6,000 of knives before they break $1k in compensation. Part of me wants to just give them money directly, but that's just insulting so Hook me up with that Cutco ice cream scooper, boss.
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Oct 30, 2018 17:04
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Cutco knives seem OK enough, and you can't put a price on watching an incredibly nervous teenager try to cut a penny in half with scissors. They are made from steel that is highly corrosion resistant, which means they can stand up to a certain amount of abuse and mistreatment. Their serrated edge is not terrible. They are around three times the price they should be though, and are not knives that hold up to their claims of being equal to high end German knives at all.
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Oct 30, 2018 17:21
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I'm going to bet that their finished steel quality is average at best. Any stainless knife you paid more than 10 bucks for will put up with a good amount of abuse and neglect.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:05
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Cutco knives seem OK enough, and you can't put a price on watching an incredibly nervous teenager try to cut a penny in half with scissors. My friend came over to sell cutco knives and my dad, who is missing a finger from a farm accident, picked up the scissors and then started screaming and waving his finger stump around and horrified my friend for a good ten seconds before he remembered the truth . I hope that kind of stuff happens a lot to those salespeople Owned
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Oct 30, 2018 18:06
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therobit posted:I think there are kind of levels to how spammy an MLM is though. Mary Kay is an actual product that people buy, and it is possible for the sales rep to make a living selling the product. Cutco is also about selling a product, it just isn't a great product and is overpriced (don't tell that to the working class folks in my hometown though, they all paid to much for it and love it). Then you have Amway, Meleluca, etc where they tell you to make money by making more sales reps. Those are what I think of when we talk about MLM scams. My take, right or wrong, is no matter how good the products they offer may be, if the business model is based on leveraging a large base of non-employees for direct sales, and in turn the majority of the comp. said non-employees (or "business owners") earn is based not on commission on their own direct sales but rather how many people they sign up and how much those poor fuckers sell, many layers deep, then it is by definition an MLM. And also a lovely way to do business in my opinion. It's a poo poo model that in practice seems to end up taking advantage of desperate people and drives family and friends apart.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:15
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This is reminding me that I should catch up on listening to the podcast The Dream, the first two episodes were very good and I'm simultaneously fascinated and repulsed by MLMs. The host puts a very human face on what drives them, which I think is good for me to keep in mind.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:37
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therobit posted:I think there are kind of levels to how spammy an MLM is though. Mary Kay is an actual product that people buy, and it is possible for the sales rep to make a living selling the product. Cutco is also about selling a product, it just isn't a great product and is overpriced (don't tell that to the working class folks in my hometown though, they all paid to much for it and love it). Then you have Amway, Meleluca, etc where they tell you to make money by making more sales reps. Those are what I think of when we talk about MLM scams. There's a podcast that just premiered a few weeks ago called The Dream which is this same concept. They join a MLM just to see where it takes them.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:38
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How much does a standard Cutco chef's knife/knife set cost if you buy it through the MLM person? I only knew one guy who fell into the selling for Cutco thing and I shut the cold call pitch down by telling him I lived three states away (which he'd know if he talked to me once in the three years after he graduated high school) before it got into any specifics.
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Oct 30, 2018 18:45
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At least on Amazon, a standard Cutco chef's knife averages about three times as expensive as a Victorinox 8-inch chef's knife. I think the Victorinox knives are still the standard for budget value knife that's still good enough for a proper chef. At the Cutco price point, you can get knifes like the Miyabi Kaizen Chef knife, Tojiro DP Damascus knives
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Oct 30, 2018 19:00
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5.1" Santoku by Cutco, full tang, riveted through the handle: $105. 5" Santoku by Henckels, International classic series - everything the cutco has plus hollow ground, nicer in every way: $42
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Oct 30, 2018 19:05
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Is the Kai Pure Komachi still the main recommendation for knives you don't have to give a poo poo about? I like to have something around that I can let my kids or houseguests use and that I can throw in the dishwasher if I am feeling lazy. If Cutco was not so expensive I would just buy those, but not at more than the cost of a real knife.
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Oct 30, 2018 19:32
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therobit posted:Is the Kai Pure Komachi still the main recommendation for knives you don't have to give a poo poo about? I like to have something around that I can let my kids or houseguests use and that I can throw in the dishwasher if I am feeling lazy. If Cutco was not so expensive I would just buy those, but not at more than the cost of a real knife. A combo of Victorinox 8" Chef's knife and 3.25" paring knife have been right by me for years and can be had for less than $50
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Oct 30, 2018 19:40
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Power of Pecota posted:How much does a standard Cutco chef's knife/knife set cost if you buy it through the MLM person? Their cleaver is 205 bucks. You can get one from a Chinese market for 20 and it's just as good.
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Oct 30, 2018 19:47
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Just get a honing steel and save $205 dollars on a new knife
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Not a Children posted:A combo of Victorinox 8" Chef's knife and 3.25" paring knife have been right by me for years and can be had for less than $50 Yeah I have some real knives that I use and care for properly, I just want something sharp enough but cheap that I can be a lot more careless with.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:08
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therobit posted:Yeah I have some real knives that I use and care for properly, I just want something sharp enough but cheap that I can be a lot more careless with. Find a restaurant supply store in your area and head to the knife section. $15-20 gets you something good enough to last through years of abuse and spouses putting it in the dishwasher. It won't be the greatest thing under the sun, but neither, presumably, is any of our cooking.  Edit: Maybe more like $25-30? My knife is old now, and probably so is my advice. Sundae fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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Oct 30, 2018 20:16
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Sundae posted:Find a restaurant supply store in your area and head to the knife section. $15-20 gets you something good enough to last through years of abuse and spouses putting it in the dishwasher. It won't be the greatest thing under the sun, but neither, presumably, is any of our cooking. I'll have you know that my bastardized attempts at Asian cuisine are truly gourmet!
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Oct 30, 2018 20:24
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therobit posted:I'll have you know that my bastardized attempts at Asian cuisine are truly gourmet! You should see how thin my Velveeta slices are.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:43
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totalnewbie posted:Their cleaver is 205 bucks. You can get one from a Chinese market for 20 and it's just as good. Cutco is terrible but lol @ this.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:45
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chinese cleaver is more like a chef's knife than a western cleaver. it won't stand up to a ham bone but a western cleaver will
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Oct 30, 2018 20:51
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therobit posted:My wife at one point wanted to write a book about MLMs when she noticed every stay at home mom she knew was doing them, so she signed up with Meleluca [...] This is worse than a regular MLM person.
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Oct 30, 2018 21:15
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My daughter’s ex-boyfriend graduated high school and did Cutco for the summer before college started. Stupidest loving thing ever and I’m pretty sure the hunting knife my wife bought for her dad’s Father’s Day gift was his only sale. And it wasn’t like we really helped him. He probably got $10 for the ‘appointment’ and a few bucks in commission. We’d been better off giving him a $20 and asking that he never talk to us again.
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Oct 30, 2018 21:41
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Krispy Wafer posted:My daughter’s ex-boyfriend graduated high school and did Cutco for the summer before college started. Stupidest loving thing ever and I’m pretty sure the hunting knife my wife bought for her dad’s Father’s Day gift was his only sale. And it wasn’t like we really helped him. He probably got $10 for the ‘appointment’ and a few bucks in commission. We’d been better off giving him a $20 and asking that he never talk to us again. It's obscenely predatory and misleading. They use the name Vector Marketing in their job postings and do not make ANY reference to the fact that it's knife sales. They refer to it as Customer Service Specialist at $20/hour (the average sale takes 30 minutes and results in a $10 commission). The sales reps are paid entirely on commission and must pay $170 for a "demo kit". You break even once you've sold $1,000 of knives. Cutco gives you literally zero leads, and holds nightly "workshops" that consist of writing down the names of all your friends' parents and parents' friends. The kids know drat well they've been duped within a week of the job, so handing them $20 and telling them to scram just makes them feel even worse.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:chinese cleaver is more like a chef's knife than a western cleaver. it won't stand up to a ham bone but a western cleaver will Okay fine you can get a victorinox fibrox cleaver for like $60 and it will a) last fuckin forever b) survive the dishwasher because the handle is that fibrous plastic stuff. E: honestly any cutco knife is probably a lovely deal compared to the fibrox ones.
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FAUXTON posted:Okay fine you can get a victorinox fibrox cleaver for like $60 and it will a) last fuckin forever b) survive the dishwasher because the handle is that fibrous plastic stuff. It's not clear to me what people use cleavers for in TYOOL 2018. Boning knife + knife skills works a treat for me. I'm not really ever looking to shatter bone because I'm not trying to break down primals at home and my butcher has a band saw for that poo poo....... Chintown hardware store cleavers are awesome and it's my go-to knife, even with a block full of more expensive german poo poo.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:07
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"Bred for Western Pleasure" god horse people are weird
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Oct 31, 2018 01:46
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moana posted:"Bred for Western Pleasure" if you accept that it's psychological displacement for sex, it's not very weird
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Oct 31, 2018 01:47
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Horse people literally want to gently caress the horse
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Oct 31, 2018 01:48
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3/4 brother is a new one to me:quote:3/4 brother
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Xenoborg posted:3/4 brother is a new one to me: jesus christ
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Oct 31, 2018 02:33
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bob dobbs is dead posted:jesus christ Welcome to breeding. This is no different in dogs or whateverthefuck else people like to inbreed for conformation to a breed or bloodline.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:10
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BWM: Spending years working for free to build a business worth over $800k, then finding out the business is actually wholly owned by your vindictive parents. Closing a business over a Gay Wedding quote:At the beginning of 2017, my wife and I started a business with my parents. It was a dream of ours but we didn't have the money for it. My parents paid the down payment for the building, down payment the land and the cost of the formation of the LLC. In the development of the business, we all contributed ideas but the knowledge, experience, name, logos etc. were all my wife and me. I was always said we were a 4 person partnership. Once the business opened it was just was my wife and I running it. Every payment for the building, land and lines of credit were paid by revenue generated by the services my wife and I sell.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:15
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JFC, we are in a dark timeline. I like how he snuck in there that even after the $500k they won't own the building and land.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:20
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The parents paid for everything and gave him a set salary and he never put his name on anything. Why on Earth did he not think he was an employee?
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gently caress it, sounds like the parents not only own the company but have all the liability as well, and none of the expertise. Quit the company, set up your own with that $500k, take the customers.
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