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tino posted:Myanmar seem to be a badly run meta country most of the time. They let different ethnic minorities including the han Chinese built their own little self proclaimed governments in the north for decades without any effective control of the border. I have nothing add to their military ethnic cleansing except they didn't seem to have any planned goal or coverup afterward. poo poo just broke out in the worst possible way. what's a meta country 
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Redmark posted:what's a meta country is one of these expressions like "failed state" that don't need a definition, anyway I give you one the way I understand it: a country where national laws and institutions weight less than the multiple foreign institutions that occupy the area and create multiple virtual states over the real one.
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LimburgLimbo posted:I’ll be really fascinated to see study’s in a few years using Myanmar as an example of how taking a country from little internet access and online-savvy to considerable penetration of SNS’s (namely Facebook) with no moderation really amplified extremism to the point a considerably portion of the population was apparently basically complete cool with and cheering on ethnic cleansing. I dunno, I tend to be skeptical of the real effects of social media. It's not like brutal ethnic violence is something new to third world/postcolonial countries. Idi Amin or Suharto or Mobutu didn't need Facebook to kill lots of people and stay popular enough to stay in power icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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icantfindaname posted:I dunno, I tend to be skeptical of the real effects of social media. It's not like brutal ethnic violence is something new to third world/postcolonial countries. Idi Amin or Suharto or Mobutu didn't need Facebook to kill lots of people and stay popular enough to stay in power Yeah: Today, Myanmar's military and government funds anti-Rohingya content on Facebook secretly and enough people believe it in the right areas for it to be approved of. Ten years ago, Myanmar's military straight up controlled the media and government openly, and when they felt like abusing the Rohingya they did so openly with the media dutifully reporting it as justified. It's definitely a case where the situation had little to do with social media.
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Agreed. It's not so much that 'social media' causes genocide, as that it's the same sort of useful tool that say radio stations were in Rwanda. Disseminating false narratives about the victim populace, identifying targets and coordinating attacks are just as easy to do on facebook as they are over state-run TV. It just has the air of being more modern.
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A new voice with some good advice on ChinaEdward Knight, Global Times, 2018-12-5 posted:When I first came to China, I had no idea what to expect. After having lived in China for a year I wasn't entirely prepared. Also if you've traveled overseas before but never been to China, it can be a completely different experience. Even within China, Beijing and Shanghai are their own types of cities.
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That's some lame advise. You don't need to download wechat, you can download it locally anytime you want. You want to download expressVPN before you go. The GFW is getting very good. I tried a cheaper VPN and it couldn't get through at all. For long term stay I advise open a local bank account so you can use alipay. I tried VISA/Master/Amex in every supermarket, none of them accept it. Wechat payment can cover 90% of your payment needs but some official/governmental places require bank account or alipay. For short term visit I also recommend installing the mobike app, it DOES accept us credit card and it costs $0.15 per rental. I just got back from China after 2.5 months. Visited many friends modern homes in GZ/SZ/Changsha. I enjoyed the food and mall crawling, but the cost of living is catching up to New York rapidly. Plus there are too many people everywhere. Not sure if I still want to retire in Guangzhou just for the whether anymore.
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So I have been following the Huawei news. There are a lot more bad China news in the mainstream US outlets nowadays than it was say just a couple years ago. Fortunately or unfortunately I got banned by both a lefty liberal forum and a Chinese forum so I don't get to post many China chats. Just want to post some observations and predictions here. I think the tech world is rapidly shaping up to a us-against-them world squarely divided on the "Huawei line". The Five Eyes nations plus Japan have already signed up on the Huawei ban, sometimes without the US asking. German OTOH, isn't too worry about buy 5G equipment from Huawei. This obviously comes down to do you rather have Chinese backdoor or American backdoor when push comes to shove. Germany's manufacturing doesn't overlap with China's exporting industries that much so it's not a big concern for them. I think this attitude applies to other European countries on various degree and Europe will be a great battleground between Huawei and other western network companies. However the lovely countries will be able to buy a complete solution from China since Huawei is cheaper. lovely countries like Egypt can buy 5G phones from Xiaomi/Oppo, network equipment from Huawei/ZTE, and great firewall software from whatever company that makes GFW. Banning Huawei is actually the only consistent policy US has against China over the years, across multiple administrations. I suspect is people from NSA who are pushing it because they actually know what it takes to collect data efficiently from the network. In other words, banning Huawei is the only time US act like a state capitalist nation state, that has long term, consistent and uniform policy against a potential thread. For everything else, US's China policy is all over the map. I predict this hostile gesture will get Xi work up on trying to build most high tech equipment within mainland. Things like major fabbing plant will be put on high gear.
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tino posted:I predict this hostile gesture will get Xi work up on trying to build most high tech equipment within mainland. Things like major fabbing plant will be put on high gear. Every time the US hits China's tech industry people say this as if they weren't already trying their hardest to build everything locally.
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The Global Times haha. "Come to China! Bring lots of money. Visit all three standard tourist destinations. Download WeChat to your phone. Don't use a VPN. Don't use a cheap burner phone either; especially you're a high ranking business executive or work for a strategically important company. Feel free to leave your phone in your unoccupied Beijing hotel room for at least four to six hours during your stay."
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So is that newspaper copying SA forum posts or are these post copying from a third source?
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*pokes thread with a stick* do something thread, tell me stuff about china
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Tei posted:*pokes thread with a stick* do something thread, tell me stuff about china Go away and read When China Rules The World, start your kids in Mandarin classes and then come back to the thread.
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Tei posted:*pokes thread with a stick* do something thread, tell me stuff about china I was recently in China. A VPN was useful. Apparently British government people do not use their work emails while in China, clearly paranoid Imperialists. I did learn an interesting side effect of the change in the 1 child policy alongside a general desire to improve schooling standards for younger kids means that the government has set a target of recruiting 1.8 million early years educators by 2020. So like, 1.8 million people getting trained as pre-school teachers in 18 months. They also estimate for bilingual (i.e. teaching at least some subjects in English usually) teachers, current staffing levels will represent about 8% of the total number by 2028. Some of that sounds a bit like "at current trends, in 5 years time Apple will account for 95.6% of all material wealth in the world" but the numbers are still kind of crazy.
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Half year ago I mentioned I didn't want my new born baby take the vaccine shots inside China, Imperial Dog was very nice and offered help from Hong Kong. Since my wife has friends in GZ and HK, so it was a simple day trip to arrange for ourselves. Baobao took 3 shots that he was supposed to take at 12 month age, costed about 2200 HKD. I heard you can take the same shots in GZ for about 800 RMB but never seriously considered it. Today I found out there are HK children who live in SZ and go thru the border to schools in HK. HK's real estate price is too hilariously high at this point.
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Even without seeing the security guy's face, you can tell this is not what he signed up for.
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tino posted:Today I found out there are HK children who live in SZ and go thru the border to schools in HK. HK's real estate price is too hilariously high at this point. In short- it's not really much of a problem anymore because kids can go to a local school in Shenzhen instead of wasting 6 hours everyday going to some subpar place in Hong Kong. Yes the kids and families are having a hard time, but the parents are really loving stupid for being birther parents, wasting so much time and money getting their kids to school. The parents live in Shenzhen, work in Shenzhen, but their kids were somehow born in Hong Kong and so are entitled to an HK education - which the department of education in HK is rightfully doing. I'm not even going to go into the Shenanigans people go through to have multiple kids and getting A HONG KONG ID CARD (it's as valuable nowadays). The parents believed in a strong foreign education system - when the schools are just sub generic public schools out in the village. The typical parents are hard working new middle class types, but hilariously clueless or desperate - yet can still think of whatever loop hole to milk the system for their benefit. If the kids actually had time to be with their parents, rest, play, study, they probably would have done quite well. Unfortunately, on average, most kids are pretty bad scholastically. Everyday: 1. On average those families live 45min - 1 hour away from the border in the Shenzhen suburbs. Sometimes even 1.5 hours. 2. Cross the border and commute another hour to school. 3. And do the same loving thing on their way back. 4. They barely have time or energy for home work or play, teachers know this so they lighten the curriculum or slow it down. 5. Kids become quite stunted but at least they can be bilingual in Cantonese and Mandarin.
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Seriously, it's not like you are poor anymore and are forced to walk 10 miles to the nearest school. You can hire tutors, actually spend time with your children to help them grow, yet you send them to a 6 hour journey everyday BECAUSE I HEAR PEOPLE IN HK SPEAK ENGLISH AND ENGLISH LEADS TO UNIVERSITY  If you want to be a tiger mom or eagle dad, don't Chabuduo your research - but hey, your kids are HK residents and can sponsor you over to HK for cheap subsidized medical care when you yourself were never part of HK society! Oh yeah, your kids spent 15 years in a village public school in HK so you are so entitled to HK benefits  Then you get into a bigger can of worms, when rich mainlanders buy a house in the fancy neighbourhood and parachutes their kids into Hong Kong 
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Ummmmmm, what ever happened to that Interpol guy???? Did he have some relationship with that book-seller dude that got himself disappeared a while ago? Did that chick that "defaced" that wall poster of Emperor Winnie ever see the light of day again? How is that re-education process going in Xinjiang? Are the So much to talk about, where are all the knowledgeable people? All I hear in this thread is crickets.
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Nucken Futz posted:So much to talk about, where are all the knowledgeable people? This are the same “double standards” born of “Western egotism and white supremacy” that China's ambassador to Canada bravely called out yesterday. Where's the concern for Meng Wanzhou? Is humanitarian treatment deemed necessary for Canadian citizens, not Chinese people? Until Meng Wanzhou is released, this thread should be closed.
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It's interesting that nobody from the Canadian government has offered any sound bite recently. I take it negotiation is going on behind the curtain. BTW that Interpol guy probably is still under Shuanggui, Shuanggui is a party discipline, until you fest up and the party decided what to charge you, you are not officially under prosecution. Yeah it doesn't really have legal basis.
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Trammel posted:This are the same “double standards” born of “Western egotism and white supremacy” that China's ambassador to Canada bravely called out yesterday. Where's the concern for Meng Wanzhou? Is humanitarian treatment deemed necessary for Canadian citizens, not Chinese people? It's entirely understandable that the People's Republic's diplomatic representatives expect Ms. Wanzhou to be treated with a level of dignity commensurate with her status as the high-level corporate executive daughter of a billionaire industrialist.
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tino posted:It's interesting that nobody from the Canadian government has offered any sound bite recently. I take it negotiation is going on behind the curtain. I don't believe there are any negotiations with China on this subject. That pesky Rule of Law and all that. It has to wind it's way through the Courts irregardless of all those Diplomatic screeching noises we keep hearing. That and I'm p sure that any Cdn Gov't Official above the title of Dogcatcher has been told to sever all contacts with the PRC and their lackeys. Take a moment to feel sad and angry for all the Agents of the PRC that have weaseled their way into the Canadian political system so far. Two masters with two agenda's, what is a mole to do????? Question: Even though Bad China doesn't believe in the Rule of Law, why does it seem that their Big Bosses have literally NO understanding of this concept?? Every mention from China of the Meng Incident leads with their complete ignorance of how things work. It's almost like they have no clue as to how the non-Han of the world live. I also find, and appreciate the irony of the Top Official of a Western based policing Agency being called home to be Shuanggui'd. Even better, He went! That's pure Comedy folks!
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Nucken Futz posted:I don't believe there are any negotiations with China on this subject. That pesky Rule of Law and all that. It has to wind it's way through the Courts irregardless of all those Diplomatic screeching noises we keep hearing. I think I agree with your main point, but your irregular capitalization and overall lack of coherence are worrying. Are you drunkposting?
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So zero comments on China esclating with the whole CEO thing and putting one of the Canadian citizens on death row?
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Telsa Cola posted:So zero comments on China esclating with the whole CEO thing and putting one of the Canadian citizens on death row? There's not much to talk about, if he was a Chinese citizen that's the sentence he would have gotten from the beginning. The original sentence was far too lenient, simply because he was a white foreigner.
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:There's not much to talk about, if he was a Chinese citizen that's the sentence he would have gotten from the beginning. The original sentence was far too lenient, simply because he was a white foreigner. Yes, but in this specific instance its being seen as a possible reprasial for the CFO being detained which seems kinda like a big deal.
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Executing people for the War on Drugs is cool and good in my opinion.
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EasternBronze posted:Executing people for the War on Drugs is cool and good in my opinion. In this particular case I agree completely. This will not be the last punishment that Canada receives. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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My comment is that I planned a trip to China this month that I have since cancelled.
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Bloodnose posted:My comment is that I planned a trip to China this month that I have since cancelled. Are you Canadian?
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China's looking to pick a fight with Canada has given me a great reason to get out of visiting the in-laws.
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Ceciltron posted:China's looking to pick a fight with Canada has given me a great reason to get out of visiting the in-laws. 
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Telsa Cola posted:So zero comments on China esclating with the whole CEO thing and putting one of the Canadian citizens on death row? Totally expected behaviour from a Totalitarian Regime that acts like a five year old whenever anyone dares to cross it's path.
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I thought it was appropriate for a China thread to slowly bleed from repeated self-inflicted wounds until it became a ghost town.
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Telsa Cola posted:So zero comments on China esclating with the whole CEO thing and putting one of the Canadian citizens on death row? The guy smuggled in 200+ pounds of drugs. Was sentenced to 15 years due to him being white. He asked for a retrial and was sentenced with what is the typical punishment. Entirely his own fault.
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Fojar38 posted:D&D's typical stance on drug-related offenses is the death penalty, right? It is when your dumb enough to take it into a authoritarian asian country known for strict drug laws.
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