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the originalist take is that the 14th amendmend is illegitimate due to former confederate states being disenfranchised during ratification
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BAE OF PIGS posted:What? What is he even trying to argue? The idea is that since the 14th Amendment says that people born in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are citizens, that people who are here illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, since they're breaking the law, therefore ignoring the jurisdiction of the United States. This is, of course, a bullshit argument, as they can be arrested for any other laws they break while here, and can be deported or arrested for being here illegally, so of course they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and basically every legal scholar ever agrees it's bullshit, and has already been ruled on twice by the Supreme Court. But it's still argued by dumbass Conservatives that the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part wasn't specifically addressed in those Supreme Court rulings, so it comes up from time to time. It never goes anywhere, and won't this time, but Trump wants to stir up the base, so here we are.
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Btw there is no way you can’t be in the USA and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof except for very limited diplomatic instances
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Donald Trump went to Pittsburgh to remember sailor when no one else would 
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Since the president used the constitution as tp we obviously need a new one
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in fact it never even existed, so practically noone is a citizen apart from elizabeth warren
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Quotey posted:the originalist take is that the 14th amendmend is illegitimate due to former confederate states being disenfranchised during ratification they are correct but too bad !! they can secede again if they want
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war on christmas: OVER card: SIGNED sailor: REMEMBERED
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dads friend steve posted:MANY SUCH CASES! we need a complete and total shutdown of amendments until we can figure out what the hell is going on
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euphronius posted:they are correct but too bad !! Sorry the infection spread and is terminal
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https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1057633432673542145
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have you ever seen a picture of the 14th amendment? how do you know it even exists??????
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euphronius posted:Btw there is no way you can’t be in the USA and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof except for very limited diplomatic instances diplomatic instances like LOCKINH HER THE gently caress SUO
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BAE OF PIGS posted:What? What is he even trying to argue? .....
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euphronius posted:Btw there is no way you can’t be in the USA and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof except for very limited diplomatic instances Tell that to all the retarded Freemen on the Land
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Al! posted:have you ever seen a picture of the 14th amendment? how do you know it even exists??????
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Admiral Ray posted:diplomatic instances like LOCKINH HER THE gently caress SUO
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His oblique references to his boat rides is prob the underrated thing about the magabomber. also, lol https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1057392485331283968
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i think i saw it one time but maybe it was photoshopped i think
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Looks will have actual democratic vote totals
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ranting about "anchor babies" has been a thing for conservatives for decades already, not exactly shocking that Trump's stoking fear and hatred of immigrants as his closing midterm message
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for early not total votes, i assume
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Al! posted:have you ever seen a picture of the 14th amendment? how do you know it even exists?????? The constitution is not gold fringed so it's all irrelevant anyway.
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tenderjerk posted:because its a proper noun and a trademarked name, like xerox or kleenex I guess so, but they went out of business almost 40yrs ago.
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This is great news.... for JEB!
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Quotey posted:the originalist take is that the 14th amendmend is illegitimate due to former confederate states being disenfranchised during ratification Lmao
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When it says "promote the general welfare" in the preamble it meant "do full communism immediately" many legal scholars agree!
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can't shake the feeling that this is paradoxically good for the republicans
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Squizzle posted:for early not total votes, i assume yeah I can see how the context with the hashtag isn't 100% clear, but I'm pretty sure those states have outpaced their 2014 early vote totals already, not their 2014 total votes. I think if we see more and more states broaden early voting and absentee and mail voting, though, that "wow so many early votes!" metric will mean less and less. Waiting until actual election day to vote will be less common. I voted two or three weeks ago.
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Serf posted:can't shake the feeling that this is paradoxically good for the republicans literally every single old has voted twice in this election
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So dumb rear end thinks that people here illegally are not subject to the laws of the United States? Seems like an argument you wouldn't want to make, but our president is a bigly idiot, so here we are.
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euphronius posted:they are correct but too bad !! secession is also unconstitutional! can't you people respect the system!?
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thrawn527 posted:The idea is that since the 14th Amendment says that people born in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are citizens, that people who are here illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, since they're breaking the law, therefore ignoring the jurisdiction of the United States. This is, of course, a bullshit argument, as they can be arrested for any other laws they break while here, and can be deported or arrested for being here illegally, so of course they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and basically every legal scholar ever agrees it's bullshit, and has already been ruled on twice by the Supreme Court. But it's still argued by dumbass Conservatives that the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part wasn't specifically addressed in those Supreme Court rulings, so it comes up from time to time. It never goes anywhere, and won't this time, but Trump wants to stir up the base, so here we are. Would this allow all non u.s. people charged by the united states with anything to argue they aren't under u.s. jurisdiction
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Many legal scholars agree Trump is a loving idiot.
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DiscountDildos posted:When it says "promote the general welfare" in the preamble it meant "do full communism immediately" many legal scholars agree!
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Lol trump deleted the Pittsburgh tweet
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Remember when the administration fought tooth and nail to force a pregnant illegal immigrant to give birth rather than have an abortion, and then wanted to immediately deport her after delivery. Good poo poo
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Serf posted:can't shake the feeling that this is paradoxically good for the republicans Hashbrown red wave baby
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Serf posted:can't shake the feeling that this is paradoxically good for the republicans we are all permanently scared by 2016
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Quotey posted:secession is also unconstitutional! can't you people respect the system!? Lincoln said so I don’t agree secession seems fine to me
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