UKMT October 2018: ober does like a good munch on any exotic birds he comes across

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Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

Joseance posted:

https://twitter.com/LouHaigh/status/1057548878373965824

Trump up some charges and arrest them you cowards.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 13:50

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# ? May 25, 2024 21:26

Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Labours been walking a fine line above full-on apocalyptic media ratfucking and its only ever kept its balance because JC and friends are fundamentally good and sincere people and giving them any time only makes people like them more.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 13:51

WhatEvil: Jun 6, 2004; Can't get no luck.

Josef bugman posted:

I mean yes, Brexit is a bad idea but could you show me stats about how much Labour could gain by going all in against it?

I am not saying it's a good thing, it isn't, but it does seem like one of those things that needs some examination.

Well that's a large part of the problem isn't it? I'm sure there is polling but all polling is bullshit, basically.

Josef bugman posted:

Hope everyone is having a good day.

You too buddy.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 13:52

Aphex-: Jan 29, 2006; Dinosaur Gum

You can just look at Lib Dem polling figures to see how much of an impact going full against brexit will help. Hint: it doesn't

also gently caress, this thread is very hard to keep up with now that all my free time is consumed with RDR2.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 13:59

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Did anyone mention that Kate Osamor's son Ishmael (who is himself a Labour councillor) got busted for possession with intent to sell at Bestival?

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:09

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Aphex- posted:

You can just look at Lib Dem polling figures to see how much of an impact going full against brexit will help. Hint: it doesn't

also gently caress, this thread is very hard to keep up with now that all my free time is consumed with RDR2.

I think it's not about what it does now. It's about what it does afterwards when we slide into the full post-Brexit hellscape.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:09

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Trump up some charges and arrest them you cowards.

They only do that if you hop a ticket barrier while not white.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:11

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

Did anyone mention that Kate Osamor's son Ishmael (who is himself a Labour councillor) got busted for possession with intent to sell at Bestival?

Was a Labour councillor.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:11

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

WhatEvil posted:

Yeah I have seen that people who have been forced out of London are making other areas Labour but I don't see how that follows on from anything else you've been saying.

To give this a better answer as I don't want to be a total oval office.

I can see what you mean. I've lumped a load of things together.

Firstly I think we could move to a anti-brexit stance as it's the right thing to do and it would be popular. A win-win. If we brexit, JM won't be able to go spend crazy without printing money and putting us into a sticky financial situation. The reforms like those proposed a few months back at the alternative models of ownership conference could probably still go ahead but would be stymied by a lack of cash which cause them to fail and Great Britain to go back to the bad old days of liberalism.

Then there is taking the Tory heartlands. This is where my thoughts of being a more open in what is meant by working people comes in. I think labour does need to change it's language to be a bit more specific about this type of service worker being the target of it's reforms.

Lastly we have to be less afraid about being a party that represents the middle-classes. As you can see from the graph I posted big swings happened in the metropoles from people who are conformable (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/). People who are willing, no, demanding that the riches they have are shared round. When I go to my branch meetings the vast majority of new members are from this background.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:14

yaffle: Sep 15, 2002; Flapdoodle

Did I miss grandparents war chat? My maternal grandfather lied about his age (and was winked at by a recruiter allegedly) and joined a London regiment when he was 15. He fought at Gallipoli where his best friend who he joined up with sat on a whiz bang ("What's a whiz bang grandad?" "oh its a kind of anti-personnel mine" "Was he hurt grandad?" "oh yes, very badly.") Luckily he caught trench fever and was sent home on a hospital ship two weeks before the start of the Somme. They found out how old he was and kicked him out.
He went on to become a lifetime member of the communist party, despite working for the foreign office in the board of trade, mostly in Eastern Europe for his whole career. We always wondered if he was a spy. He lived to be 94, a Czech family he had befriended in the 60's actually sent a young woman as a representative to his funeral, she was a bit horrified by his relatives and was the only person who wore black or wept.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:17

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Josef bugman posted:

I mean yes, Brexit is a bad idea but could you show me stats about how much Labour could gain by going all in against it?

I am not saying it's a good thing, it isn't, but it does seem like one of those things that needs some examination.

Hope everyone is having a good day.

I'll try to dig them up as someone else posted them earlier in this tread or a previous one but it comes down to that both parties have picked up about 10% of the wavering vote around brexit but 10% of 52% is more than 10% of 48%.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:18

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Josef bugman posted:

I mean yes, Brexit is a bad idea but could you show me stats about how much Labour could gain by going all in against it?

I am not saying it's a good thing, it isn't, but it does seem like one of those things that needs some examination.

Hope everyone is having a good day.

They should be all-in against it not because it would poll well but because Brexit is going to be massively damaging to the country.

I would also argue that a large part of Corbyn's appeal that's been bringing young voters to Labour is that he's consistently been for or against things on principle and not because of their current popularity, and basing policies on principle is the secret sauce for getting people engaged that absolutely eludes career politicians in general and Tories in particular.

Do things because they're the right thing to do. It's really loving simple.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:21

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Labours been walking a fine line above full-on apocalyptic media ratfucking and its only ever kept its balance because JC and friends are fundamentally good and sincere people and giving them any time only makes people like them more.

This is the thing that gives me the most hope. Once we get into an election campaign and people get to see and hear what labour has to offer unfettered then all or most of the people that have floated off will come back, along with those who have not voted before seeing a real chance to make a change to this country.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:21

Not Operator: Jan 1, 2009; Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

My one grandad was a medic in WW2 and the other one was a huge fanny whose entire family refuses to speak to or about so I have no idea what he did. When I was a child I asked my dad if he was dead and he said "I hope so."

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:23

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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TACD posted:

They should be all-in against it not because it would poll well but because Brexit is going to be massively damaging to the country.

I would also argue that a large part of Corbyn's appeal that's been bringing young voters to Labour is that he's consistently been for or against things on principle and not because of their current popularity, and basing policies on principle is the secret sauce for getting people engaged that absolutely eludes career politicians in general and Tories in particular.

Do things because they're the right thing to do. It's really loving simple.

I mean the thing is that the damage is solely of the Tory parties making. How is going "this is going to go badly, but ultimately we can't just throw out a result we do not like and it seems as if the major problem's is on the Tory side of things" not a solution. Just going "No" doesn't do anything and, whilst I am cross that more might not be being done it doesn't seem for want of trying. It seems more like most of the problems are kind of caused by the Tories or the Lib dems not showing the gently caress up.

Well, that and a few arses like Hooey who should probably not still be in the party.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:26

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Finally had my first therapy session and it wasn't as bad as I feared, nor is my mental state as bad as I feared. Plus, I get the next five Wednesday mornings off work

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:36

Foxtrot_13: Oct 31, 2013; Ask me about my love of genocide denial!

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Trump up some charges and arrest them you cowards.

They tried that but it doesn't work when the people have access to good legal representation and have access to the leavers of power. Just ask Pc Keith Wallis

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:36

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Finally had my first therapy session and it wasn't as bad as I feared, nor is my mental state as bad as I feared. Plus, I get the next five Wednesday mornings off work

Therapy is a good thing and happy to hear your sadbrains aren't so sad. :glomp:

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:37

Grey Hunter: Oct 17, 2007; Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Strom Cuzewon posted:

May hits a new record for non sequiters:

"Why isn't the government doing [thing]?"
"We're doing [other thing]! What about [yet another thing] that [completely irrelevant person] did eight years ago?!?"

Just once I'd love for him to just say something along the lines of -
"That wasn't me. Do I bring up terrible things the torys did a hundred years ago? no. then again, I have a long list of current stuff so I don't need to go back a decade to find some dirt."

Dreams. we can have them.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:46

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

The "Labour of the last decade did [X] wrong" is so loving tiresome.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 14:52

WhatEvil: Jun 6, 2004; Can't get no luck.

Not related to anything but I've just been looking at my NEST account (which is the default provider for workplace pensions I think?). Their "ethical pension fund" says:

quote:

The NEST Ethical Fund is for people who want to invest in line with specific ethical or moral concerns, for example in
areas such as human rights and fair trade. It doesn�t just exclude companies that harm the world, its people or the
environment, it also proactively invests in organisations that make a positive contribution to society.

but is invested in both Apple (who get all their poo poo made in China by Foxconn where the workers regularly kill themselves) and Amazon (and I'm sure I don't need to tell you about working conditions there).

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:03

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

No ethical pension funds under capitalism.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:05

EvilGenius: May 2, 2006; Death to the Black Eyed Peas

Grey Hunter posted:

Just once I'd love for him to just say something along the lines of -
"That wasn't me. Do I bring up terrible things the torys did a hundred years ago? no. then again, I have a long list of current stuff so I don't need to go back a decade to find some dirt."

Dreams. we can have them.

My personal favourite is "we have pledged (number) million/billion pounds" in response to any attack on underfunding, because she knows the general public's understanding of numbers isn't much more sophisticated than 'number goes up = good'.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:06

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

WhatEvil posted:

Not related to anything but I've just been looking at my NEST account (which is the default provider for workplace pensions I think?). Their "ethical pension fund" says:

but is invested in both Apple (who get all their poo poo made in China by Foxconn where the workers regularly kill themselves) and Amazon (and I'm sure I don't need to tell you about working conditions there).

NEST stands for No Ethical Savings Trust.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:10

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Joseance posted:

https://twitter.com/LouHaigh/status/1057548878373965824

Speaking of the police

Met Police to launch range of merchandise

quote:

A range of Metropolitan Police merchandise may soon hit the shops after the force hired a specialist branding firm.

Scotland Yard is hoping to follow the example of the New York Police Department, which has been selling merchandise for more than 15 years.

It is hoped the move will help improve the Met's image and raise income.

City Hall calculates the Met will need to find an extra £325m of savings before April 2021.

The project is looking into Met Police branded clothing, toys and games, stationary, homeware and tourist souvenir items.

Any money raised by the licensing project would be used to fund frontline services, train staff and "build greater affiliation with, and support for the service, thereby inspiring future generations to join".

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:16

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Finally had my first therapy session and it wasn't as bad as I feared, nor is my mental state as bad as I feared. Plus, I get the next five Wednesday mornings off work

Way to go on taking care of yourself, top stuff :glomp:

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:17

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Speaking of the police

Met Police to launch range of merchandise

New season of Black Mirror looking good

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:18

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

quote:

Theresa May has stopped short of calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities in Yemen, where a three-year civil war has led to the "most terrifying humanitarian catastrophe on the planet".

The prime minister was urged to support a United Nations resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire in the war-torn country after the US ramped up pressure by calling on both the Saudi-led coalition and the Houthi rebels to end their air strikes.

Ms May told MPs that the UK supported calls for "de-escalation" in Yemen but the government's position remained that a ceasefire would only work if there is a political deal between the conflict parties.

worse than trump

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:21

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

notaspy posted:

If we brexit, JM won't be able to go spend crazy without printing money and putting us into a sticky financial situation.

What's the evidence of this assertion? I mean you can reasonably expect there to be less favourable lending rates but the majority of spending plans in the manifesto are based on short term borrowing to finance infrastructure/industry building, government bonds issued at favourable long term rates aren't suddenly going to be unpopular among international (and internal) investors because we're out of the EU unless it's literally a no deal scenario with no access to the WTO, which is so remarkably unlikely to happen even under the tories. I don't think printing money/debasing sterling is in anyone's plans, especially given the history of politics around labour and inflation (even if it's a fundamentally dishonest interpretation of the events of the 70s).

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:23

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

I am very interested in clothing and professional stationary bearing the symbol of the police.

For reasons.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:25

Aphex-: Jan 29, 2006; Dinosaur Gum

keep calm and kettle in

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:26

Total Meatlove: Jan 28, 2007; Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

Can�t wait to buy a blue wall of silence noise cancelling headphone set for Christmas

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:33

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

brian posted:

What's the evidence of this assertion? I mean you can reasonably expect there to be less favourable lending rates but the majority of spending plans in the manifesto are based on short term borrowing to finance infrastructure/industry building, government bonds issued at favourable long term rates aren't suddenly going to be unpopular among international (and internal) investors because we're out of the EU unless it's literally a no deal scenario with no access to the WTO, which is so remarkably unlikely to happen even under the tories.

You haven't been paying attention, then. Russia are talking about blocking our WTO access. It's straight up an admission that funding Brexit was an act of war, but unfortunately the vermin known as "Tories" saw a chance for some profit and went with it.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:35

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

Jedit posted:

You haven't been paying attention, then. Russia are talking about blocking our WTO access. It's straight up an admission that funding Brexit was an act of war, but unfortunately the vermin known as "Tories" saw a chance for some profit and went with it.

nah i have and i'm very aware, but you didn't read my post properly so i'm not sure you're best to talk about who's been paying attention here

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:38

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Speaking of the police

Met Police to launch range of merchandise

Met Police branded Brazillian bean espresso shot glasses, 11 pack.

Sounds good.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:40

StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

In other news, the mash thinks we're all booj:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/social-class-based-on-how-you-feel-about-wotsits-20181031178826

quote:

Working class people will sympathise enthusiastically. Most upper class people, while not being snobby about it, just won�t have a clue what you�re talking about. Upper class people eat Monster Munch and Frazzles.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:44

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Grey Hunter posted:

Just once I'd love for him to just say something along the lines of -
"That wasn't me. Do I bring up terrible things the torys did a hundred years ago? no. then again, I have a long list of current stuff so I don't need to go back a decade to find some dirt."

Dreams. we can have them.

Probably because people like Yvette Cooper would be jamming up the papers with "but but but SURESTART" takes

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:45

ookiimarukochan: Apr 4, 2011

Are the Met planning on doing what a large number if not all US police forces do, and handing out literal "get out of jail" free cards to people who give them enough money? We've been fairly good at avoiding that sort of naked corruption in the UK due to the lip-service, at least, obeyance of the Peelian principles.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:46

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Ratjaculation posted:

Met Police branded Brazillian bean espresso shot glasses, 11 pack.

Sounds good.

lol

# ? Oct 31, 2018 15:47

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# ? May 25, 2024 21:26

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

StarkingBarfish posted:

In other news, the mash thinks we're all booj:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/social-class-based-on-how-you-feel-about-wotsits-20181031178826

We always knew that at least half of us are going up against the wall during the Revolution. I certainly am.

# ? Oct 31, 2018 16:17

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