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So how much do I miss out on if I do not have a completed save? I did complete True Pacifist on Undertale, but lost it due to circumstances.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:00
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I knew that as soon as I saw that shirt design, everyone just sorta being similar to other monsters on Undertale and the fountain heart thing I was like "Oh no. OH NO". Well, at least that explains why stuff is so high tech at the end when you leave at the end of Undertale, if monster tech is somewhat modern on this setting. Definitely a prequel.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:00
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I can't beat the secret boss. I nearly did it the first time but Ralsei was down when he finally got tired and I was out of healing items, and every run since has gone worse.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:01
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Unlucky7 posted:So how much do I miss out on if I do not have a completed save? I did complete True Pacifist on Undertale, but lost it due to circumstances. I'm wonder what, if anything it changes. Since apparently your previous save doesn't affect the ending and all the characters have different roles and relationships I feel like it's pretty subtle if it's anything at all?
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Oct 31, 2018 19:01
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iospace posted:I'm reading it as a sequel. If you go as far south as you can in the town map after school, you find a pair of doors that quite clearly lead underground. Definitely not just a sequel. Undyne doesn't know who Alphys is, Bratty and Catty don't really know each other, and Toriel talks about how when you were younger you asked when your horns would grow in, implying you've lived with them since you were really young, if not your whole life. Probably some other small details I'm forgetting at the moment too. This seems more like a different world altogether.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:02
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I really hope this game doesn’t do meta narrative like undertale did. I think he played that out fully and he should tell a different kind of story this time. He shouldn’t write himself into a corner as “the meta narrative guy”
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Oct 31, 2018 19:03
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So this is Steel Ball Run?
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Oct 31, 2018 19:05
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iospace posted:I'm reading it as a sequel. If you go as far south as you can in the town map after school, you find a pair of doors that quite clearly lead underground. looks more like a prequel to me. maybe they went underground after this?
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Oct 31, 2018 19:06
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Watched a playthrough as I won't be able to play this myself for a while. It does say "To Be Continued in Chapter 2", so I guess this actually is a full game but it's just being released episodically this time around. That said, I like how the battle system is set up like more. Of a traditional RPG while still maintaining some mechanics from the original.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:09
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:So this is Steel Ball Run? lol if it's not it should be
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Oct 31, 2018 19:09
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Kunster posted:I knew that as soon as I saw that shirt design, everyone just sorta being similar to other monsters on Undertale and the fountain heart thing I was like "Oh no. OH NO". Well, at least that explains why stuff is so high tech at the end when you leave at the end of Undertale, if monster tech is somewhat modern on this setting. Definitely a prequel. Xinder posted:I really hope this game doesn’t do meta narrative like undertale did. I think he played that out fully and he should tell a different kind of story this time. He shouldn’t write himself into a corner as “the meta narrative guy”
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Oct 31, 2018 19:09
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:So this is Steel Ball Run? I hope all goes well with Sans Undertale taking the napkin It’s pretty apt to compare the two so far.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:11
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Xinder posted:I really hope this game doesn’t do meta narrative like undertale did. I think he played that out fully and he should tell a different kind of story this time. He shouldn’t write himself into a corner as “the meta narrative guy” I'd say it's probably already too late for that considering the intro, and the way the game is already drawing a distinction between Kris and [YOUR NAME HERE] I do think Toby could make a great story that doesn't break the fourth wall or do anything crazy, but it would be weird for the undertale thing featuring the characters from undertale to just drop all the meta stuff, imo.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:14
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also I lost all my screenshots (took like 40, rip) but can we all appreciate that he put onionsan in the game
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Oct 31, 2018 19:16
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Snake Maze posted:I'd say it's probably already too late for that considering the intro, and the way the game is already drawing a distinction between Kris and [YOUR NAME HERE] the intro stuff is all immediately discarded tho with the “you don’t get to choose who you are” and throwing away your created character. I’m not saying drop everything meta, but I’d be disappointed if it was this whole frisk/chara meta narrative the way undertale was. “Less” meta I suppose is what I’m asking for. As good as that was, rehashing old success usually makes for a mediocre followup.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:20
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Your Computer posted:There are too many inconsistencies for it to be a prequel though. Toriel and Asgore are divorced, Asriel is in college, both kids are much older, to name a few. I think That, or he's trapped in the new-underground area. It's more likely something happened that caused him to run away, and it's convenient to say he's "in college". I'm going with he's alive, but gone after thinking about it some more.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:21
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I'm going to assume alternate universe for this one as the monsters were driven Underground a good while before the original game began and the first human didn't fall down there until later. Kris does look a bit like Chara though, Undyne doesn't know who Alphys is like someone else pointed out and monsters and humans seem to be living together on the surface in a modern setting. Assuming this is coming out episodically perhaps future chapters will shed a bit more light on things. This does look interesting at the very least though, looking forward to more.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:21
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Re-entering the game after closing it, I don't have the option to go back to my save. That is very irritating.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:21
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Best boss, by the way:
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Oct 31, 2018 19:27
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Were there other humans in the epilogue? From what I could tell, Kris seemed like they were the only human there
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Oct 31, 2018 19:27
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iospace posted:I think i didnt get that vibe at all. To me there was a sort of FLCL vibe of Asriel being your older brother that was super popular and everybody loved then he went to
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Oct 31, 2018 19:27
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can't wait for dominic white's article re-expressing his love for toriel
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Oct 31, 2018 19:28
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Your Computer posted:There are too many inconsistencies for it to be a prequel though. Toriel and Asgore are divorced, Asriel is in college, both kids are much older, to name a few. Well, that makes the emotional hit less harsh, even if I still feel kinda bad about Susie going thru a journey from a potentially murderer-y loner to a somewhat kind pal thanks to Kris and Asriel only for Kris to poo poo the bed and potential mess everything up for everyone in Monsterkind. I should have been tipped that this was something else when Gerson was already dead on the graveyard.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:28
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Dr. Fetus posted:People found that the game looks at the date and time for whatever reason upon bootup. And there are quite a few references to "tomorrow" within the game. Maybe Toby will have something more to say by tomorrow? Well, he did say to wait 24 hours before discussing the game.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:32
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DELTARUNE is an anagram of UNDERTALE! cooooough syyyyyrup......
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Oct 31, 2018 19:33
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Well, he did say to wait 24 hours before discussing the game. Oh no, he’s gonna use a tracker bot in each download to ban everyone who discusses this from playing chapter 2! I’m sorry Toby!!!
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Oct 31, 2018 19:33
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Your Computer posted:also I lost all my screenshots (took like 40, rip) but can we all appreciate that he put onionsan in the game Where was he? I think I saw an Everyman cameo in the bonus boss but I only saw him on one attempt. Not sure whether he's a very rare spawn or I just imagined seeing him.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:36
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Xinder posted:I’m not saying drop everything meta, but I’d be disappointed if it was this whole frisk/chara meta narrative the way undertale was. Well, I can agree with that. I don't think it is going in the same direction though, or even could at this point. You/"chara" only show up as a murderous psychopath by doing a genocide run, which is the entire meta-narrative aspect of it. In this game it apparently shows up regardless of what you do/did, which uh.... I don't know why and I don't get it, but it certainly doesn't seem to be going for the same thing. Like I said, I'm more worried that it's making "chara" a character that doesn't have anything to do with the player (removing the meta aspect) because that kinda retroactively ruins what made it good in the previous game. Procrastine posted:Where was he? I think I saw an Everyman cameo in the bonus boss but I only saw him on one attempt. Not sure whether he's a very rare spawn or I just imagined seeing him. 
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Oct 31, 2018 19:38
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Your Computer posted:Well, I can agree with that. I don't think it is going in the same direction though, or even could at this point. You/"chara" only show up as a murderous psychopath by doing a genocide run, which is the entire meta-narrative aspect of it. In this game it apparently shows up regardless of what you do/did, which uh.... I don't know why and I don't get it, but it certainly doesn't seem to be going for the same thing. Like I said, I'm more worried that it's making "chara" a character that doesn't have anything to do with the player (removing the meta aspect) because that kinda retroactively ruins what made it good in the previous game. To be fair, this is only Part 1 of the story. I'm guessing this will all be explained in further detail as things progress.
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Your Computer posted:Well, I can agree with that. I don't think it is going in the same direction though, or even could at this point. You/"chara" only show up as a murderous psychopath by doing a genocide run, which is the entire meta-narrative aspect of it. In this game it apparently shows up regardless of what you do/did, which uh.... I don't know why and I don't get it, but it certainly doesn't seem to be going for the same thing. Like I said, I'm more worried that it's making "chara" a character that doesn't have anything to do with the player (removing the meta aspect) because that kinda retroactively ruins what made it good in the previous game. That character is already a character within the first game. The monsters tell you the story of the first kid that fell into the underground, that's who Chara is, that's why Asriel mistakes Frisk for Chara, they look very similar. You as the player basically influence them into being a murdering psychopath if you do a genocide run. I'm assuming part of whatever the rest of this game will be will involve Chara either showing up more or less depending on how much you try to fight things, which should be interesting because you have a party now instead of just being on your own.
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Yeah, I'm waiting for the full game to be released, because right now, I can't really make heads or tails of what's going on here.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:46
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I've always been a fan of the idea that Frisk was responsible for their own actions in the game but Chara was still with you regardless serving as the narrator (neither of them being necessarily completely good or completely evil). Through your actions you therefore either pacify their soul and allow them to pass on or you piss them off, causing them to turn the tables on you at the end. The game seems to make it pretty clear that whatever happens during a Genocide run is explicitly your fault at any rate. All the game actually tells us about Chara is that they hated humanity and weren't "the greatest person". I mostly took that to mean angry, potentially abused child as opposed to murderous psychopath. Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 19:51
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Xad posted:That character is already a character within the first game. The monsters tell you the story of the first kid that fell into the underground, that's who Chara is, that's why Asriel mistakes Frisk for Chara, they look very similar. You as the player basically influence them into being a murdering psychopath if you do a genocide run. I'm assuming part of whatever the rest of this game will be will involve Chara either showing up more or less depending on how much you try to fight things, which should be interesting because you have a party now instead of just being on your own.  I'm certainly interested in seeing where they'll take it, just kinda had a bad first impression.Larryb posted:To be fair, this is only Part 1 of the story. I'm guessing this will all be explained in further detail as things progress.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:52
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it looks like there's at least one mysterious secret room to be found; in the room that darkens when you walk around the centre. If you leave the room using the exit on the left, there's a small chance to teleport somewhere completely different (it took me ~20 tries), where you can get a mysterious item, which I haven't found a use for. Not sure if there are any other places where this can happen: I think the thing to look for is the music track restarting when changing screens.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:52
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maybe this is one of those alternate timelines sans was going on about
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Oct 31, 2018 20:06
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I just had a thought - we all know Deltarune is an anagram of Undertale right? Well, it certainly is the same characters but rearranged.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:09
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here is my guess: this is a sort of dark tower "world has moved on" + bioshock infinite repeating narrative alternate universe thing. the entirety of the dark world chapter 1 feels like a super-condensed undertale: lancer is an amalgam of papyrus/undyne thematically, you run into a goat person in a ruined kingdom, you go and beat a king for the macguffin, who himself is an amalgam of asgore/flowey/sans. im getting the feeling that the light world is a similar kind of thing. its the ultimate dream of the undertale fan, almost naive; you are actually the son of toriel and asgore, your brother is asriel, and youve lived in a town of beloved characters for as long as youve known. yet there's hints that something's off; it's all a bit too good to be true, and you have a very hard time remembering what you've done only yesterday. since every playthrough of undertale is a separate timeline and every instance of undertale is a separate universe, all of the events of the game have happened, regardless if only you yourself got whichever ending; there are thousands of other people who got the genocide ending and released chara. i think he's now hopping between universes through the dark fountains, instead of timelines. gaster is probably messing some poo poo up, causing the fountains to appear. also, a theory. the darkness that gaster is talking about is the darkness in the typical invisible spaces of the RPG game world. there is significantly more of it in the dark world. could be that gaster glitched himself "out of bounds", into the infinite darkness. End of Shoelace fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 20:10
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The stuff when you talk to Sans is way too wink-nudgey for this to be anything other than some time/reality fuckery though how relevant that will actually be to the main story remains to be seen
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Oct 31, 2018 20:15
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Xinder posted:Oh no, he’s gonna use a tracker bot in each download to ban everyone who discusses this from playing chapter 2! I meant he might release more information tomorrow. so did Papyrus get unpersoned somehow? That's distressing...he was my favorite...
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This is Gaster's world, or at least an alternate timeline. Apart from all the major inconsistencies and sort-of-callbacks, you can see the Gaster followers around town, but in normal-looking variants. Not to mention the twitter/intro text is in the same formatting as Gaster's text hidden in Undertale. Deltarune being an anagram and Kris/Ralsei being not-quite anagrams fits the whole theory of a 'close, but not quite' alternate world.
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