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BENGHAZI 2 posted:A lot of it is schools not wanting to encourage kids to gang up on people they don't like That's more a failure of the instructor, if that's what's happening. What team based, competitive, activities do the do in the school system where you are?
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spacetoaster posted:Why is it too much? What does a smartphone give a 13 year old that can't wait until they're older? While I would absolutely disallow a social media account, it's really convenient to be able to look up things online without access to a laptop etc. Over here, schools are so used to teenagers having smartphones that lots of important stuff for day to day school life are online resources without a convenient offline alternative. GPS and the ability to look up public transit stuff are nice as well.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:30
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the first quarter of my 8th grade PE class was a round robin battleball tournament. the last quarter was a round robin kickball tournament. the 90s kicked rear end. e: that's quarter semesters FYI 
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Oct 31, 2018 20:31
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please knock Mom! posted:While I would absolutely disallow a social media account, it's really convenient to be able to look up things online without access to a laptop etc. Over here, schools are so used to teenagers having smartphones that lots of important stuff for day to day school life are online resources without a convenient offline alternative. GPS and the ability to look up public transit stuff are nice as well. Those are really convenient things. BUT. I'll take the slight inconvenience of her having to ask a friend to look it up. And I don't know how to disallow content. Our school computers have a full time staff dedicated to deleting horrible poo poo off of school laptops that are supposed to be closed off to all that stuff.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:33
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Marijuana posted:the first quarter of my 8th grade PE class was a round robin battleball tournament. the last quarter was a round robin kickball tournament. the 90s kicked rear end. Hey, remember the 90s, when hope was alive, Star Trek(s) was good, things seemed new and bright, and we weren't staring down a ticking climate bomb that will eradicate our species? Good times.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:34
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Yes yes, you're all incredibly woke because your kids don't have smartphones. I don't even disagree but the stench of smug radiating from your posts makes me hate you
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Oct 31, 2018 20:35
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please knock Mom! posted:I think this is a bit too much and I would give my teen a smartphone, but yeah. I've seen 6 year olds completely addicted to tablets, to the point where they're playing with them at restaurants etc This is a problem of parenting and not technology. Anything can be deleterious if taken to extremes and with kids the parents are supposed to be there creating structure so the kids develop properly. If a kid is playing on their tablet in the restaurant the blames falls squarely on the parents for allowing it in the first place. And no doubt you can find a whole history of those parents letting their kids do such things as a way to not have to deal with parenting the kid. This sort of thing absolutely does happen with TV too. Watch a young kid watch TV and they can absolutely get glued to it to a point that becomes a little scary. It is up to the parent to create structure and reasonable standards so that activities can be enjoyed without going to extremes. It's also a bit like candy or other stuff too. If you saw a kid eating a bowl of candy for dinner would you think "Wow those candy companies need to be stopped, kids should never be exposed to candy because it can be taken to an extreme!" or would you think "Wow what a loving lovely parent"? In fact, being able to have kids enjoy stuff that can be highly gratifying/addicting, and allowing them to deal with the negative feelings of not having that instant gratification is a key part to kids becoming well adjusted. That some parents choose to let a tablet raise their kids isn't an indictment of tablets, but of lovely parents.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:36
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bag em and tag em posted:Yes yes, you're all incredibly woke because your kids don't have smartphones. Good.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:37
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i told my dad at lunch on monday that i think we've lived through the golden age of a society which is rapidly declining, it's lucky that he's gonna be dead before poo poo gets really bad, and that i don't have hope for a good future anymore. he agreed with me and thinks i'm right lol
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Oct 31, 2018 20:38
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Marijuana posted:i told my dad at lunch on monday that i think we've lived through the golden age of a society which is rapidly declining, it's lucky that he's gonna be dead before poo poo gets really bad, and that i don't have hope for a good future anymore. See now THAT'S cool parenting
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Oct 31, 2018 20:40
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Marijuana posted:i told my dad at lunch on monday that i think we've lived through the golden age of a society which is rapidly declining, it's lucky that he's gonna be dead before poo poo gets really bad, and that i don't have hope for a good future anymore. Literally every mother fucker who walked the planet has thought that same exact thought.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:41
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Marijuana posted:i told my dad at lunch on monday that i think we've lived through the golden age of a society which is rapidly declining, it's lucky that he's gonna be dead before poo poo gets really bad, and that i don't have hope for a good future anymore. they said that hundreds of times over the years and were right like 20, 30% of the time. temporary declines, tho. there will be hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billions dead. but then the massacre will galvanize us and end the idiocy. by 2050 there will be global climate remediation projects (some will fail, some will succeed) and climate change denial will be punishable by summary death in most places.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:42
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mycomancy posted:Literally every mother fucker who walked the planet has thought that same exact thought. yeah but i'm right
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Oct 31, 2018 20:45
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Feral Integral posted:I'm a fan of your school of thought that what kids do in their developmental years determines their future completely It's ok, kids, you don't need to learn how to use hands, you can pick up that skill when you are 30, if you feel you need it
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Oct 31, 2018 20:48
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Where we're going don't need hands! Because we'll be strapped into VR machines for most of our waking hours.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:49
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they said that hundreds of times over the years and were right like 20, 30% of the time. temporary declines, tho. There will be many dead and corporations will still rule the future because as a species we're dumb as rocks.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:50
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please knock Mom! posted:I think this is a bit too much and I would give my teen a smartphone, but yeah. I've seen 6 year olds completely addicted to tablets, to the point where they're playing with them at restaurants etc lol if your kid isn't continuing blaring youtube on a smart tv, "playing" some kinda weird scam free to play desktop game, and slapping at a tablet with yet another game that is continually blaring to buy coins so you can upgrade your guys
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Oct 31, 2018 20:55
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Feral Integral posted:I'm a fan of your school of thought that what kids do in their developmental years determines their future completely yeah it obviously heavily weights what possible outcomes the kid's gonna run into
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Oct 31, 2018 20:59
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extremely capitalism jpdg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJO0n6kvPRU
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Oct 31, 2018 20:59
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spacetoaster posted:Why is it too much? What does a smartphone give a 13 year old that can't wait until they're older? Access to social media which if you don't have makes you a bit of a social pariah. You don't want hypothetical kid to get bullied, do you?
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Oct 31, 2018 21:06
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please knock Mom! posted:While I would absolutely disallow a social media account, it's really convenient to be able to look up things online without access to a laptop etc. Also realistically like, they're going to have one. You just won't know about it. A burner smart phone costs like $20-$50, for one thing. I think we just need to realize that it's not good to have 3-5 tech companies completely in control of how we interact with others in the virtual space. This goes way beyond just parent-child relations. e: Like FB and others create complex advertising profiles of you even if you don't have a social media account with them because they can deduce it from everyone else around you having one. What are you going to do, say "no one can ever tag you in Instagram or you can't go out anymore?" This goes way beyond "oh I'll restrict it from my teenager problem solved" - again not a plan that has ever worked anyway. Our entire intellectual commons, the "place where we get together and discuss ideas" is becoming entirely privatized. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 21:15 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 21:08
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Moridin920 posted:Access to social media which if you don't have makes you a bit of a social pariah. You don't want hypothetical kid to get bullied, do you? I never thought of it that way. I'm a monster.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:12
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If you want your kids to be ready for the future get them a sawn-off shotgun and a leather outfit.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:15
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Seriously some of the kids I seen basically have flippers attached to arms instead of hands. i wasn't surprised to find adult students going back to school for a degree often had pretty low typing skills, but it really threw me for a loop to learn how terrible kids raised on screens are at using a keyboard or expressing themselves literarily
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Oct 31, 2018 21:21
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I like my Facebook feed cause it keeps me up to date with politics news, feminist articles, socialist/ancap propaganda and those videos of people in T-rex suits doing everyday tasks 
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Oct 31, 2018 21:24
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:i wasn't surprised to find adult students going back to school for a degree often had pretty low typing skills, but it really threw me for a loop to learn how terrible kids raised on screens are at using a keyboard or expressing themselves literarily Yeah it's a bit unexpected to me, also. I guess I get the keyboard thing because they aren't using home computers so much as tablets/phones. I dunno how you have trouble reading when all you do on a screen is read it though, seems to me like there's something more to that than "they are used to looking at search results not reading!" but 
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Chomp8645 posted:Where we're going don't need hands! I thought one of the good and terrifying things about Ready Player One was it explaining the hell world that corporations would make a society based around VR
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Oct 31, 2018 21:30
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I have a pretty good sense of direction so I rarely get lost out and about, but that probably came from spending a lot of time camping as a kid. If you wandered off it was pretty important to know where you were. But GPS is probably good for a kid in a city if you let them be out and about. I grew up in a poor area though so only a few people had smartphones even when I graduated in 2013
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Oct 31, 2018 21:31
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pushpins posted:I thought one of the good and terrifying things about Ready Player One was it explaining the hell world that corporations would make a society based around VR other books did corporate VR hellworld future 20-30 years before and about a million times better than RP1
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Oct 31, 2018 21:32
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Its probably good that I had to take art even though I hated it though. And the wood shop class I had when I was 12 gave me a lot of important basic skills, mostly how to avoid breaking stuff and hurting myself
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Oct 31, 2018 21:34
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they said that hundreds of times over the years and were right like 20, 30% of the time. temporary declines, tho. Theres an old joke about a British civil servant who worked in the foreign office for decades, from Victoria through the fifties. And he says when he retired, that every year people would come in terified and spin wild tales of war and destruction and he'd have to calm them down, send them home and tell them not to worry, there would be no war this year. And you know, he was only wrong twice.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:35
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i learned fine motor skills from assembling my own sick gaming rigs
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On the other hand I look forward to owning younger people at video games for decades to come, the loving noobs.
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Marijuana posted:i learned fine motor skills from assembling my own sick gaming rigs while you were having premarital sex i studied the blade server
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Moridin920 posted:Access to social media which if you don't have makes you a bit of a social pariah. You don't want hypothetical kid to get bullied, do you? Its true that all the garbage of the internet is to an extent unavoidable. The only thing you can do is to make sure your kid has good information literacy.
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The XKCD Larper posted:The only thing you can do is to make sure your kid has good information literacy. Yeah, that's very important.
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The XKCD Larper posted:Its true that all the garbage of the internet is to an extent unavoidable. The only thing you can do is to make sure your kid has good information literacy. Which is an uphill struggle when kids that start their education have been conditioned since infancy to uncritically and boundlessly consume "content".
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Oct 31, 2018 21:57
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Shima Honnou posted:If you want your kids to be ready for the future get them a sawn-off shotgun and a leather outfit.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they said that hundreds of times over the years and were right like 20, 30% of the time. temporary declines, tho.  Actually there were never any islands in the Pacific
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah it's a bit unexpected to me, also. I guess I get the keyboard thing because they aren't using home computers so much as tablets/phones. its an aspect of the whole mindset I think. I was trying to talk to my nephew and I read him some stuff, and right after I was like "so what do you think, was the witch really bad or was the prince or what" and he was just profoundly perplexed. He could give back most of the facts of the story, but it was mind boggling that he would... think? about it??? He really treats everything like it's a video he just passively absorbs emotions or whatever from the experience. I showed him this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1YIgwPsX5Q and asked him if he realized that the two kids and the two guys and the two older guys were all the same two people he was shocked and amazed. He seemed a little disturbed. I asked him if he knew the real old guy was by himself because his friend died and what he thought about the sunglasses scene and he was just not fuckin havin' it and walked away. He really liked just watching it and hearing the music and stuff, but the idea that there was something going on seemed to freak him out some. So back to reading, of course these kids can't read. It's pretty believable to me that kids can probably scan down documents, but if you're reading to read, you need to be able to put yourself in the story and think creatively. That machine thinking man, where the gently caress are the Atreides? I could be wrong but I feel like this whole thing is not just olds bitchin about the ways of the young. My nephew is stone dead dumb in two specific ways -- he's totally, fully incurious, and can't stand to have any difficulty or to have to work and achieve anything. He'd much rather watch someone play a game than try to walk Mario around and gently caress up the controls or whatever. He'll work hard to get that vid and avoid the controller. That's hosed up coming from a dreg like me, that's turbo hosed. e: steinrokkan posted:Which is an uphill struggle when kids that start their education have been conditioned since infancy to uncritically and boundlessly consume "content". also yeah you basically beat me to my point SniperWoreConverse has issued a correction as of 22:25 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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