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Madmarker posted:Overpowered and parasitic to the extreme What does parasitic mean in MTG context
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zoux posted:What does parasitic mean in MTG context A parasitic mechanic (energy in Kaladesh, for example) interacts with a small subset of the set it includes, rather than the rest of the card game as a whole. Nothing else outside of the Kaladesh block cared about energy, nothing probably ever will again. Edit: The vehicle cards were a good example of a non-parasitic mechanic - creatures are fundamental to Magic, and that's all you need to enable vehicles.
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Oct 31, 2018 16:38
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zoux posted:What does parasitic mean in MTG context A parasitic mechanic is one that only works with stuff explicitly designed to work with it. So thats kinda vague, but stuff like horsemanship, energy and splice. These mechanics are only relevant within their own block, and unless a card is explicitly designed to interact with splice onto arcane, their is nothing that does. Contrast this with non-parasitic mechanics like mentor. Mentor just wants other attacking creatures with low power. There are tons of low power creatures across magic's history that can attack with a creature with Mentor. Anyway, when you have a parasitic mechanic, like energy. It isn't always bad, but when the parasitic mechanic is powerful, you end up with essentially block constructed decks being the only thing you can play and they force out other decks with cards from other sets in that standard from showing up. This leads to a super samey standard where everyone is either playing the super parasitic deck or a deck that hopefully beats it. Usually everyone just plays the powerful parasitic deck.
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Oct 31, 2018 16:43
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Claro, thanks
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Oct 31, 2018 16:44
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GoutPatrol posted:Even Maro is admitting on his blog that Kaladesh was hosed up. That's how bad it is gotten for the most broken set since Mirrodin. Link?
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Oct 31, 2018 16:52
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Kaladesh wasn't broken because it was an artifact block though, was it? The problem was Energy, Torrential Gearhulk and Smugglers Copter. The latter 2 are artifacts but it's incidental on Gearhulk and it's not the problem with copter. And copter might have been fine if it was in the same set as Fatal Push, if perhaps a bit too widely played. The only thing breakable from it being an artifact block specifically was Improvise and that didn't really happen outside a gimmicky deck, as I recall.
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Randaconda posted:Link? He’s been taking about it for a while. Here is the State of Design article from last year https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/state-design-2017-2017-08-28 He also did a whole podcast on the lessons learned from Kaladesh last week.
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Oct 31, 2018 16:56
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Tainen posted:He’s been taking about it for a while. Thanks 
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Oct 31, 2018 16:59
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On vehicles, would a vehicle fit into a modern deck to be crewed by emmara? Like a heart of kiran or skysovereign? I guess they might be too easy to kill in modern?
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Oct 31, 2018 17:01
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Madmarker posted:Honestly, WOTC just shouldn't make artifact or colorless blocks.........like ever. They are always super overpowered, end up getting a bunch of cards banned, and well..................their initial wow factor wears off very quickly when everyone is playing the exact same deck until it gets banned out of standard. The problem wasn't artifacts or colorless stuff, it was that Energy was a degenerate mechanic that allowed you to do some overpowered stuff, and combined with other pushed cards (Emrakul) meant that it was easy to put together a deck that was nigh-unbeatable because WOTC put Suncleanser (a hoser card that would've acted as something of a check on Energy decks) in M19 instead of Amonkhet or even Ixalan. Even after Emrakul was banned Energy decks (either Temur or whatever UBx variant) were tier 1 because the mechanic was just too efficient and couldn't be interacted with from your opponent's side of the table. Smuggler's Copter was fine and shouldn't have been banned, but there was a distinct lack of creature removal for most of it's tenure in Standard so it had to go because it was in literally every non-control deck and you can't have 24+ copies of a card in every top 8 unless it's Teferi or Chainwhirler I guess. The gearhulks were about as degenerate as the titan cycle, which is to say that they were on the high end of creature power level but not oppressively so. The problem was energy and WOTC's inability to consistently craft healthy Standard environments. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 17:04
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ilmucche posted:On vehicles, would a vehicle fit into a modern deck to be crewed by emmara? Like a heart of kiran or skysovereign? The only vehicle good enough for modern is smuggler's copter occasionally, and Emmara isn't a good enough 2-drop for modern at all. Too slow, too easy to kill, and does nothing a lot of the time. You want to crew copters with things like lingering souls tokens or other small creatures you can't throw into normal combat.
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AlternateNu posted:
Reposting this over the next couple pages. Report in, ya goons.
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Oct 31, 2018 17:11
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Fingers McLongDong posted:The only vehicle good enough for modern is smuggler's copter occasionally, and Emmara isn't a good enough 2-drop for modern at all. Too slow, too easy to kill, and does nothing a lot of the time. You want to crew copters with things like lingering souls tokens or other small creatures you can't throw into normal combat. Yup, the only vehicle I’ve ever seen in modern (paper) is copter. Saw one at the LGS yesterday in a deck similar to this https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-colorless-eldrazi-aggro-55584
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Oct 31, 2018 17:13
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Buffis posted:Yup, the only vehicle I’ve ever seen in modern (paper) is copter. merfolk and death + taxes use it occasionally as well the main issue is vehicles aren't really above rate compared to wild nacatl or tarmogoyf, and don't have much synergy. aggro decks in modern are either trying to snowball an early advantage (humans, merfolk) , or just do just something broken (dredge, hollow one). not a lot of games are about the small incremental advantages that vehicles give you
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Oct 31, 2018 17:19
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BizarroAzrael posted:Kaladesh wasn't broken because it was an artifact block though, was it? The problem was Energy, Torrential Gearhulk and Smugglers Copter. The latter 2 are artifacts but it's incidental on Gearhulk and it's not the problem with copter. And copter might have been fine if it was in the same set as Fatal Push, if perhaps a bit too widely played. Torrential Gearhulk was not the problem with Kaladesh, even if it was far and away the best of its cycle and a pain to play against. The problem cards were the artifacts with colored activations, namely Scrapheap Scrounger and Bomat Courier. Didn't help that they both went into the best deck, but decks were straight splashing black for scrounger and in some cases red for courier (mono white splashed it). Obviously Copter and Heart of Kiran (I'm counting it, Kaladesh block) were also issues, especially in how they synergized with planeswalkers and gods to make sweepers almost unplayable. Those are some big mistakes, and that's not even counting energy which had to be banned out of the format. The mechanic as a whole was a mistake but of the banned cards only Copter and Aetherworks Marvel were bad designs on their face.
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Oct 31, 2018 17:33
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Latest Friday Nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USlyIy8vXQ
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Oct 31, 2018 17:49
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Man I posted my win on my friends' discord and they all dimissed it as being too random and equivalent of being a yankenpo king. So OFC I won again today with the hashtag #THEKING
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Oct 31, 2018 18:00
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BizarroAzrael posted:Kaladesh wasn't broken because it was an artifact block though, was it? The problem was Energy, Torrential Gearhulk and Smugglers Copter. The latter 2 are artifacts but it's incidental on Gearhulk and it's not the problem with copter. And copter might have been fine if it was in the same set as Fatal Push, if perhaps a bit too widely played. Rap Record Hoarder posted:The problem wasn't artifacts or colorless stuff, it was that Energy was a degenerate mechanic that allowed you to do some overpowered stuff, and combined with other pushed cards (Emrakul) meant that it was easy to put together a deck that was nigh-unbeatable because WOTC put Suncleanser (a hoser card that would've acted as something of a check on Energy decks) in M19 instead of Amonkhet or even Ixalan. Even after Emrakul was banned Energy decks (either Temur or whatever UBx variant) were tier 1 because the mechanic was just too efficient and couldn't be interacted with from your opponent's side of the table. You'll get no disagreement from me that the problems in Kaladesh didn't stem from the cards themselves being artifacts......However, WOTC is somewhere between 75-100% on artifact blocks being overpowered as hell, to the detriment of other sets. The Urza's Block, Mirrodin block, 2nd Mirrodin block and Kaladesh have all been broken as poo poo. Maybe the artifacts weren't the broken part..............but there does seem to be something poisonous in that design well. edit-also I know Urza's was supposed to be an enchantment set.........it wasn't
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Madmarker posted:You'll get no disagreement from me that the problems in Kaladesh didn't stem from the cards themselves being artifacts......However, WOTC is somewhere between 75-100% on artifact blocks being overpowered as hell, to the detriment of other sets. The Urza's Block, Mirrodin block, 2nd Mirrodin block and Kaladesh have all been broken as poo poo. Maybe the artifacts weren't the broken part..............but there does seem to be something poisonous in that design well. Urza's was an enchantment set, pretty obviously if you look at the cards, in fact. It had broken artifacts in it, but it was not designed as an artifact set. 2nd Mirrodin block wasn't remotely broken until New Phyrexia, and artifacts were not the problem in that set, either. Original Mirrodin is the only artifact block where the artifacts were the biggest design/development mistake, so taking the lesson "don't make artifact blocks" is not going to help WotC design better sets.
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Oct 31, 2018 18:33
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The actual artifact stuff in Kaladesh wasn't all that powerful aside from Walking Ballista, which is an extremely dumb card(wotc made a much more cautiously designed variation on it in GRN). I know this because i used to run a construct tribal deck based on pia's revolution, ballista, and metallic mimic using scrap trawler to recur things like renegade maps into ballistas.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:05
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Ballista is one of the cards I was most glad to see rotate out of standard. If it ever gets reprinted it should be alongside a Krosahn's Grip reprint.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:12
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The block really needed a stony silence reprint
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Oct 31, 2018 20:16
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Marketing New Brain posted:The block really needed a stony silence reprint Should've been Null Rod.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:31
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Obviously they should have printed that 1/4 in M19 in KLD
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Oct 31, 2018 20:47
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suicidesteve posted:Should've been Null Rod. Dude why? That card doesn't do anything.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:50
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Madmarker posted:Dude why? That card doesn't do anything. Spite. At this point my entire motivation for getting rid of the reserved list is spite. I don't even want to play with the cards anymore.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:00
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Madmarker posted:Dude why? That card doesn't do anything. No, it does nothing.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:00
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https://twitter.com/toddstevensmtg/status/1057724640288784390 lol Classic non apology Tainen fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 21:09
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"im sorry for some mysterious thing that i refuse to go into any detail on, anyways make sure to check out my twitch stream"
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Oct 31, 2018 21:17
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As an apology it rates even below "Sorry I burned down your village. Here's some gold."
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Oct 31, 2018 21:21
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Eli Kassis's Jeskai list is so insanely smart, it was absolutely perfect for that weekend. *0 creatures main, removal are completely dead spells *Gateway over Azcanta to get live cards faster and win faster *Banefire main to trump the control MUs and have an extra x spell for Gateway *Settle + Seal Away to deal with both kinds of Phoenix and Adanto Vanguard *Rekindlings in the SB as an incredibly hard to deal with threat after you board out most removal *Revitalize in the SB against opposing Banefires *The Immortal Sun in the SB because it's less vulnerable than Teferi *Ixalan's Binding in the SB for drake phoenix decks It has a lot of ways to beat each plan from GB - Carny T, Planeswalkers, or the grind out. It has a major advantage in control mirrors between Gateway and Banefire. It has lots of good answers to drakes and phoenixes and Adanto Vanguards. And it is doing something powerful besides playing Teferi so it has a higher power level against random decks. Edit: gently caress Todd Stevens. SCG needs to share their investigation with WOTC, and WOTC needs to ban him. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 21:27
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What is Nezahal supposed to do for those decks, I see it in a lot of SBs
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zoux posted:What is Nezahal supposed to do for those decks, I see it in a lot of SBs It's good in control mirrors. Uncounterable massive threat that's hard to answer and also provides card advantage. It's much better in this format than the previous one, because Disallow could counter it's protection ability. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 21:30
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zoux posted:What does parasitic mean in MTG context
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Oct 31, 2018 21:45
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loooool this todd stevens "apology." I cannot believe he is going to stream again. He will have a combination of pitiful die-hard fans who make twitch streams their "community" and awful MRA demons. Get the gently caress out, man. We don't want you here.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:48
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His twitch chat will be the most magic thing ever.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:50
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I can't wait to hear what that idiot youtuber from milwaukee with the bad beard who got banned for being a gross CHUD has to say about all this. (I can wait actually. I would prefer to wait forever) E: look at this poor sap who spent precious neurons on actually knowing his name VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
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Oct 31, 2018 21:50
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Looking forward to the Jeremy Hamby special about this. The twitter replies have been pretty good.
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Oct 31, 2018 21:51
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The replies to his post are mostly good https://twitter.com/xjcloud/status/1057728939131592705
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ShaneB posted:loooool this todd stevens "apology." I cannot believe he is going to stream again. He will have a combination of pitiful die-hard fans who make twitch streams their "community" and awful MRA demons. Get the gently caress out, man. We don't want you here. lol yea those groups are definitely a "combination" and not the exact same people
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