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Demiurge4 posted:The galaxy will always spawn Sol and then I guess it does a roll on whether which level it is because there's an early space age one and a world war 2 pre-ftl version and if you play as the Commonwealth I believe it will always spawn Sol as a regular empire. I suppose there could also be a a fallen empire roll when you play as an alien empire. Not quite, Sol doesn't spawn every time, just a little over half the time. First the game spawns empires according to its normal procedures, which might mean that the UNE, Earth Custodianship, or a player-created empire with Sol as its system will be created, with the correct nearby stars too. Then the game checks if the Commonwealth has been spawned, and if the Commonwealth exists and a Sol-based empire does not, it will spawn Sol and put the UNE on it and stop. Then if there's no Sol empire and no Commonwealth, it rolls a dice to decide if it's going to spawn Sol anyway, and what sort of Sol to spawn if so. Chances are 50% no Sol, 40% Primitive Sol (equal chances of Medieval, WW2 and Modern), 10% Tomb Sol with Cockroaches. When the game spawns Sol by means other than normal galaxy generation, as you mentioned it's always a single system with one connection, since that's how all system spawns are coded (behaviour is the same for the precursor worlds)
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Splicer posted:Max primitives almost guarantees a few space age dudes primed to pop into full fledged empires. Yeah, that's what I like to do: Putting down a few space age civs I made myself and then cranking up the primitives to add more diversity. Baronjutter however, wanted the exact opposite: He wanted to start with an already developed multi-star empire. Fake Edit: On more options for galaxy generation, I'd be all for it. Please let me start in a quasar, with most of the galaxy impassable due to the deadly radiation from the core! Or let me start from a weird irregular star burst galaxy full with young proto-stars!
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Axetrain posted:Sol can also be found as a tomb world in addition to either ww2 or modern versions. Pretty sure stone age Earth is also a potential outcome.
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Aethernet posted:Groogy, when are you going to post the Dev Clash first episode to Youtube? The only thing on your channel is a list of all the empires, which is such a tease for those of us who can't be there during the stream. Think that we hired Long Game Short to do the editing or I might be completely wrong on that. But you do have the Twitch VOD https://www.twitch.tv/videos/327256386
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So when's the variant of Sol that has mars partly terraformed as a nod and a wink to Surviving Mars?
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I want one with authoritarian xenophobes on Luna. Maybe one with Shared Burden dudes on Mars.
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Stellaris Dev Diary #132 - Ecumenopolis and Megastructures
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Captain Oblivious posted:Pretty sure stone age Earth is also a potential outcome. I think this might have been a possible outcome at release, but isn't possible now (I'm guessing it was removed around the time they changed how Stone Age primitives worked). Sol has a fixed layout so it has to be spawned via special_system_initializers.txt, and there's three entries for Sol in there: special_init_03, which spawns primitive sol, with equal chances for Early Space Age, Machine Age, and Medieval Age; special_init_04, which creates the Nuclear Wasteland version; and com_sol_system, which creates the UNE if you play as the CoM and a sol empire wasn't spawned randomly. Notably special_init_03 has a random list where there's three options but each is listed as a 25% chance (so the game treats it as 33% chance), but it suggests there was originally four options, probably stone age humans.
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Nov 1, 2018 14:49
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So if machines get machine worlds, and organics now get ecumenopolii, are hive minds going to get access to some kind of hive world equivalent if they cover an entire planet in Creep?
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Crazycryodude posted:So if machines get machine worlds, and organics now get ecumenopolii, are hive minds going to get access to some kind of hive world equivalent if they cover an entire planet in Creep? Wiz posted:
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Crazycryodude posted:So if machines get machine worlds, and organics now get ecumenopolii, are hive minds going to get access to some kind of hive world equivalent if they cover an entire planet in Creep? Buildable overmind-worlds when?
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Nov 1, 2018 15:25
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I hope we also get broken versions of all of these megastructures. And a slider to choose how many spawn in any given galaxy.
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Nov 1, 2018 15:58
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How is there not an event like the lever machine except with a slider
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I admit I"m a little bummed by the drawbacks to ecumenopolises (I almost certainly pluralized that wrong). No ability to produce raw resources and requiring an ascenion perk that does nothing else AND being incredibly expensive and time consuming is, well...a lot, and it seems like they're only good for trade and alloy manufacturing. Although obviously both of those things may be way bigger deals than I can know right now.
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Jabarto posted:I admit I"m a little bummed by the drawbacks to ecumenopolises (I almost certainly pluralized that wrong). No ability to produce raw resources and requiring an ascenion perk that does nothing else AND being incredibly expensive and time consuming is, well...a lot, and it seems like they're only good for trade and alloy manufacturing. Although obviously both of those things may be way bigger deals than I can know right now. To put it in perspective for you, ships aren’t built with minerals anymore. They’re built with alloys.
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Jabarto posted:I admit I"m a little bummed by the drawbacks to ecumenopolises (I almost certainly pluralized that wrong). No ability to produce raw resources and requiring an ascenion perk that does nothing else AND being incredibly expensive and time consuming is, well...a lot, and it seems like they're only good for trade and alloy manufacturing. Although obviously both of those things may be way bigger deals than I can know right now. Fun fact, the plural of encumenopolis is encumenopoliseseses - it's true, look it up  They sound extremely powerful to me but like the other megastructures may be a case of 'now you're just showing off' by the time you can get to them and the game's already won. You lose out on being able to collect food and minerals but it makes up for this by being able to support an immense number of pops generating alloys and money. Far more than you'd be able to generate on a normal planet and should more than make up for the cost in efficiency.
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Yeah. City worlds (and habitats?) will let you optimize other planets for resource production since you can shift a lot (all?) of the refinement burden off them. I'm unconvinced of the utility of Doop headquarters. Relations are nice, but isn't most of the galaxy firmed up at that point? Also, while the weird black beacon looks good, the rest of it is just kinda...blocks. Would love megastructures to change the game rather than just being Math Improvers, but thats just me. Dyson sphere lets you translate energy to minerals, SCC autobuilds free platforms everywhere, that sorta thing. Miiight be moddable...hmmmmm. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Random thought about the coming update: I think it would be nice with the new Federation change that gives control of the fleet to the strongest member of the federation, if said strongest member could give temporary control of the fleet over to another player, so when I play with friends and they want to stomp on someone I can't be bothered with I can go "okay here's the federation fleet for 10/20/30 years" have at it, or the other way around.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Fun fact, the plural of encumenopolis is encumenopoliseseses - it's true, look it up Wiktionary says ecumenopolises or ecumenopoleis?
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Feel like too much poo poo is gated behind ascension perks now. Gaia worlds, habitats, mega structures and now city worlds all that their own ascension perk. Just make them all available with tech and use the perks to improve them further.
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Hey Wiz, are there going to be any changes to the Machine World terraform option for applicable robot races coming now that it would appear that an Ecumenopolis is strictly better (and also unavailable to Gestalts)?
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A megastructure that gives your ships +15% speed is loving bananas.
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Demiurge4 posted:Feel like too much poo poo is gated behind ascension perks now. Gaia worlds, habitats, mega structures and now city worlds all that their own ascension perk. Just wait for the mod that makes them one ascension perk.
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Demiurge4 posted:Feel like too much poo poo is gated behind ascension perks now. Gaia worlds, habitats, mega structures and now city worlds all that their own ascension perk. Nah. Choices are good.
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PittTheElder posted:A megastructure that gives your ships +15% speed is loving bananas. I'm hoping that the economy changes also allow a player to make use of the extra naval capacity too, because even now naval cap is almost never the limiting factor.
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Ice Fist posted:I'm hoping that the economy changes also allow a player to make use of the extra naval capacity too, because even now naval cap is almost never the limiting factor. Logistically, what am I doing wrong if I find naval cap to be a fairly big hindrance.
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Staltran posted:Wiktionary says ecumenopolises or ecumenopoleis? Ecumenopoliae
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e: eciimenopolisWiz posted:Nah. Choices are good. I'm a bit concerned that with the addition of Arcology project and Colossi in Utopia the actual Ascension Paths will end up being muscled out. If you want all the neat "tall" stuff like orbitals, ecumenopolises, and megastructures, you end up with Voidborn, probably Master Builders, Arcology, Galactic Wonders, probably Colossi, then maybe go for Gaia worlds, probably something like Executive Vigor for the first perk since you haven't got the prereqs yet for Voidborn... Spending two perks on an ascension path starts seeming like a lot. The ascension paths could probably use a buff, especially since synths won't be a straight upgrade anymore. Also psionics is garbage right now if you ask me. Biological ascension might benefit from the new pop system I suppose, and I don't know what the project costs will be like in Le Guin. When Utopia launched there weren't a lot of good ascension perks, but as more good ones are added I'm starting to be convinced none of the ascension paths are worth two perks. Ice Fist posted:I'm hoping that the economy changes also allow a player to make use of the extra naval capacity too, because even now naval cap is almost never the limiting factor. Build more mines. Naval cap is definitely the limiting factor for me after 2230/2240 maybe.
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Staltran posted:Build more mines. Naval cap is definitely the limiting factor for me after 2230/2240 maybe.  my last couple games I had fantastic economy and was wide enough that I could build enough star bases to not worry at all about naval cap, but I personally stop building fleets if I'm unable to undock all of them without going negative in one or both resources which ultimately turned out to be my limiting factor.
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Wiz posted:Nah. Choices are good. Its cool to have choices but I want to do all of it eventually, but also before 2400. I guess it doesn't really matter since I never play without mods anyway so I'm not achievement hunting, I can just edit the techs to be the way I want. I do feel there's a little bit of bloat in the perk tree though and its largely down to my playstyle and how I build my perks. I'll usually go for Mastery of Nature first and the second pick will always be whatever flavor of ascension I'm going for. From there I'll usually want to pick up Gaia worlds third which means I'm sitting on the third pick until that tech pops and then I'll finish out the ascension line on the fourth pick. What this means (for me) is that I'm not doing any mega structures until my fifth or sixth pick and at that point they're just a victory lap anyway. Now obviously every part of the game is seeing a major change with the economy patch but right now ascension perks feel limiting rather than giving me lots of options.
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Staltran posted:e: eciimenopolis Encumenopbonii. Anyway, I don't mind the choices being gated and exclusive to each other. Players always ask for more 'unique' and diverse play styles and one surefire way to enforce diversity of empires is to limit what everyone can do. Otherwise it just becomes like a Bethesda game where you can be everyone and everything and none of it matters any more (or is super OP). The bigger issue is that a lot of the time it's hard to tell what the AI is doing and there seem to be a lot of options it never bothered with.
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Wiz posted:Nah. Choices are good. 
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Why would I skip the coolest thing in the game?
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Wiz posted:Nah. Choices are good.
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Ice Fist posted:I'm hoping that the economy changes also allow a player to make use of the extra naval capacity too, because even now naval cap is almost never the limiting factor. I find that it often is; definitely in the first few decades when you need lots of ships on the field to take down starbases, and then later when your economy is just booming anyway it becomes the limiter again. Yes you can and should exceed it, but only by so much.
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Demiurge4 posted:Why would I skip the coolest thing in the game? To use the perk slots on something else. Besides, it's cool the first time but I'd say biological and synthetic ascensions are pretty boring on later plays. Psionic isn't really boring but rather frustrating, which is worse. Biological and synthetic also open up mountains of micro you can do to squeeze out tiny benefits, which is frustrating since you know you could do it but don't want to.
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I still wish megastructures weren't just "own this system to get infinite resource" type things. To be honest I don't really find them particularly fun. The habitable ones are good but I don't enjoy the ones that just give you shitloads of resources by having them.
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