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Renaissance Robot posted:Not to defend the Home Office at all, because they're dicks, but it seems like she sort of walked into this by renouncing her British citizenship? Well she still has the right to reside there anyway being an EU citizen and I'm pretty sure the Good Friday Agreement guarantees the right of residence for Irish citizens in NI as well but I'd need to dig it out to be sure. E: in the year 5 AD Tiberius conquered Germania Inferior Elliptical Dick fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Guavanaut posted:
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Darth Walrus posted:Dilma Rousseff was neoliberal as gently caress, though? Pro-privatisation, sent the army after strikers, massively corrupt. I can't really think of any ways in which she was a leftist. Not Neoliberal enough. She fought against and was tortured for fighting against the dictatorship, was part of probably the last traditional Social Democratic party in Southern America and when backed into a corner by the voters she moved left and won re-election. And the corruption charges against her and the left are trivial by Brazilian standards. Basically while she gave America some of what it wanted it didn't give them everything, a mortal sin in the eyes of America and Neoliberals. goddamnedtwisto posted:"outflanked" suggests that the State Department are unhappy with this turn of events, and the evidence is definitely against that. They're probably overjoyed that the Brazilians have chosen to go back into their cage without a fight but Neoliberals can't control fascists forever and eventually the rabid dog bites it's owner.
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Coohoolin posted:Whose debt? Scottish and EU students get uni for free. Not fees but maintenance loans I guess?
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Yeah, apologies for those not well versed on scottish education policy. Tuition is free, but the SNP had claimed they would scrap all student debt, presumably through increased availability of bursaries etc, but the amount given in bursaries is decreasing whereas the amount in student loans is increasing, at a decent rate. That all said, average student debt in Scotland after graduation is under 15k, whereas in England it's over double that at 34k
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Coohoolin posted:Whose debt? Scottish and EU students get uni for free. you should pause a second before rushing to automatically defend the SNP over any criticism :p
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Darth Walrus posted:Wasn't Lula convicted by, like, sixteen different judges? This appointment was probably shady because Bolsonaro is fash, but I'm not ruling out the idea that it was some other kind of quid pro quo until a fair number more of those sixteen start getting little rewards as well. Corruption is a loving worthless conviction in the case of Brazil because it's entirely politically motivated. He was convicted of accepting bribes of $1.2m in the form of upgrades to a house which he didn't even loving own. Compare this to Dilma's successor Michel Temer, well, his list of accusations is considerably longer than Lula's. But he worked for the interests of the wealthy, the upper middle & upper classes so he doesn't get impeaches & is highly unlikely to end up in prison come the new year. Sure, PT were prone to corruption. As every party in Brazil is, but oddly only one of them is being focused on with a laser-like precision by the media, domestic & foreign. Weird that. Almost as if they actively improved things in the 13 years between Lula taking office & Dilma being impeached for poor and marginalised groups in the country. You're not wrong that under western eyes Dilma is neo-liberal and definitely she was a step backwards from Lula as far as opposing neoliberalism, but it's also easy to lose focus on where Brazil was coming from. It makes America look like it has a strong welfare state.
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Cerv posted:doesn't say tuition fees there. Lol, I hadn't spotted coohoolin was the one who posted that, unjust assumed everyone with those questions was in England and not aware of the full details Absolute lol.
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Elliptical Dick posted:I'm pretty sure the Good Friday Agreement guarantees the right of residence for Irish citizens in NI as well jBrereton fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Grandparents too. That's how we got footballing superstars like ...Andy Townsend and Tony Cascarino. E: though in that case you have to apply, so you're still right
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This would be great as Halloween decoration, alas
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Some people really didn't want to give away any sweets.
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tag yourself, i'm the mannequin looking away from where the fighting is happening
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How come this country has so many people born after 1945 that act like they actually fought in World War 2, its loving weird.
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Guavanaut posted:You just activated a Manchurian Candidate somewhere by using those two in the same sentence. Have you been reading my twitter? https://twitter.com/ookiimarukochan/status/1057759658428039168
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Gorn Myson posted:How come this country has so many people born after 1945 that act like they actually fought in World War 2, its loving weird. No mans land is WW1 stuff.
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Gorn Myson posted:How come this country has so many people born after 1945 that act like they actually fought in World War 2, its loving weird. Not the free healthcare or education or nationalisation of banks, land, mines, and transport they demanded though, just the racism. ookiimarukochan posted:Have you been reading my twitter?
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Vlex posted:tag yourself, i'm the mannequin looking away from where the fighting is happening I'm the man in the black & white picture that's put the bayonet through his own foot.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:No mans land is WW1 stuff. (I know you're right but we're online and the rule is that you never back down from being incorrect)
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my regt has started getting proper fashy about enforcing every oval office wearing a poppy, uniform or not.
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I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure the image on the garage door is taken from the front cover of a Charley's War collection.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:No mans land is WW1 stuff. You know what's especially weird/cynical? As soon as Harry Patch (the last living veteran of WW1) died there was an almost immediate ramping up of jingoism and a distinct dropping of the Anti War aspects of "Never Again". Michael Gove felt brave enough to start talking about how WW1 was actually not pointless and dying for the Queen is actually very good. The annual covers of Green Fields of France dropped the lines talking about how never again was a hollow lie and people were still being thrown into the thresher for Empire, removing any semblance of genuine anger and sadness from the song. People started attacking anti war veterans and claiming that Fighter Pilots didn't count as Troops. There's an annual rage against people who wear white poppies and for some reason despite every single person who appears on TV wearing a red poppy there are still people out there who are convinced it's an act of anti-PC bravery to do so. I don't know if I just started noticing it more but I distinctly noticed the second there wasn't someone who lived through WW1 around to openly state the war was a pointless and unapologetic slaughter of human beings there were a lot of Pro War serial killers who felt more entitled to Remembrance Day.
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mehall posted:Yeah, apologies for those not well versed on scottish education policy. Or you could be smart like me and pay your university 39k in monthly installments and graduate with no debt  (I had no other option as I wasn't an EU citizen at the time, kinda pissed about blowing 4 years of pretty extreme savings on it now instead of a house tbh)
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I hope they were playing this music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYuq6Ac3a0
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Gonzo McFee posted:You know what's especially weird/cynical? As soon as Harry Patch (the last living veteran of WW1) died there was an almost immediate ramping up of jingoism and a distinct dropping of the Anti War aspects of "Never Again". Michael Gove felt brave enough to start talking about how WW1 was actually not pointless and dying for the Queen is actually very good. The annual covers of Green Fields of France dropped the lines talking about how never again was a hollow lie and people were still being thrown into the thresher for Empire, removing any semblance of genuine anger and sadness from the song. People started attacking anti war veterans and claiming that Fighter Pilots didn't count as Troops. There's an annual rage against people who wear white poppies and for some reason despite every single person who appears on TV wearing a red poppy there are still people out there who are convinced it's an act of anti-PC bravery to do so. I was just gonna post about the Harry Patch Gove thing - I fully expect these sort of people to get somehow even more super loving awful the moment the last vet of WW2 dies.
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Gonzo McFee posted:You know what's especially weird/cynical? As soon as Harry Patch (the last living veteran of WW1) died there was an almost immediate ramping up of jingoism and a distinct dropping of the Anti War aspects of "Never Again". Michael Gove felt brave enough to start talking about how WW1 was actually not pointless and dying for the Queen is actually very good. The annual covers of Green Fields of France dropped the lines talking about how never again was a hollow lie and people were still being thrown into the thresher for Empire, removing any semblance of genuine anger and sadness from the song. People started attacking anti war veterans and claiming that Fighter Pilots didn't count as Troops. There's an annual rage against people who wear white poppies and for some reason despite every single person who appears on TV wearing a red poppy there are still people out there who are convinced it's an act of anti-PC bravery to do so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY0E3PaNIi4
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Joseance posted:I hope they were playing this music Wow - and then I watched the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhLRr0HRGI I found that pretty powerful. But if I posted that on FB I think my friend count would drop 50% .
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Jedit posted:I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure the image on the garage door is taken from the front cover of a Charley's War collection. Very nearly but not quite. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Charleys-War-Boy-Soldier-Great/dp/1781169144/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1541087019&sr=8-4&keywords=charley%27s+war
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Gonzo McFee posted:You know what's especially weird/cynical? As soon as Harry Patch (the last living veteran of WW1) died there was an almost immediate ramping up of jingoism and a distinct dropping of the Anti War aspects of "Never Again". Michael Gove felt brave enough to start talking about how WW1 was actually not pointless and dying for the Queen is actually very good. The annual covers of Green Fields of France dropped the lines talking about how never again was a hollow lie and people were still being thrown into the thresher for Empire, removing any semblance of genuine anger and sadness from the song. People started attacking anti war veterans and claiming that Fighter Pilots didn't count as Troops. There's an annual rage against people who wear white poppies and for some reason despite every single person who appears on TV wearing a red poppy there are still people out there who are convinced it's an act of anti-PC bravery to do so. Nah I definitely noticed this too. I quote Harry Patch every single remembrance sunday, because he really was the last bastion against the tide of fresh warmongering. 'Give your leaders each a gun and let them fight it out themselves', indeed.
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Barry Foster posted:'Give your leaders each a gun and let them fight it out themselves', indeed. 
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Guavanaut posted:Irish citizenship extends to anyone born on the island of Ireland to at least one parent also born on the island, and is automatic from birth, so it shouldn't need to be applied for. True, but you do have to get it confirmed though either via a witness like a policeman or solicitor in some cases. Am born in NI, mother is from the south, and trying to get my Irish Passport before the border turns into Checkpoint Charlie 2.0, and I just need to get someone to confirm I am from there. So putting on my best 'HOWBOUTYEBOY ITS A QUARE DAY!' accent soon.
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happyhippy posted:True, but you do have to get it confirmed though either via a witness like a policeman or solicitor in some cases. If it helps, I forums user Failed Imagineer, certify that you are a 100% Irish goon with correct opinions on breakfast
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Vlex posted:tag yourself, i'm the mannequin looking away from where the fighting is happening Im the lens flare
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Pfft, what does this peacenik know, he's not a WWII vet like are baby boomer heroes
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WW1 veterans taught us that war is terrible, so when they started dying we started saying no actually it's good and about glory again. WW2 veterans taught us that fascism is horrible, so when they started dying we started saying hmm how about that nationalism lads.
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https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1058007548203331585?s=19 This is probably some Louise Mensch tier poo poo, but I don't want to investigate any further because I enjoy the possibility
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Gorn Myson posted:How come this country has so many people born after 1945 that act like they actually fought in World War 2, its loving weird. Agincourt cosplay is also popular.
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