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Ya that forum is 99% dead, my thread was spring last year. Maybe we could get a conservation thread going somewhere else? Though I'm not sure which subforum it would get any traction. And whatever the correctness I would vote for lumping it all under conservation, where it encourages action, rather than just lamenting how we're all going to die and taking the rest of the animal kingdom with us.
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A sustainable living thread where people posted about learning to garden or dig wells or install solar and poo poo could be fun.
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How are u posted:A sustainable living thread where people posted about learning to garden or dig wells or install solar and poo poo could be fun. It exists, it was spun off from here actually I think: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3865561&pagenumber=1&perpage=40 There's also several similar threads in DIE.
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Oct 31, 2018 23:12
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I think I'm gonna take the plunge and try being vegetarian. I don't think I'll have the money to get an electric car for quite a while. I don't feel like I can keep telling people about the IPCC report and how things are dire in the grand sweep of history without taking some kind of personal action.
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Nov 1, 2018 02:42
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Because things are just fine:brugroffil posted:also, AK could go tropical
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Nov 1, 2018 02:45
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Alaska is where I want to build my little climate refuge, so that suits me just fine.
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climate refuges are just suburban settler mindset dialed up to 11 as an escape plan gently caress you! i'll get mine! if i just have a big enough yard, maybe with some trees and poo poo... that'll... i dunno somehow solve something! <dies of a basic infection because his truck gets stuck in the mud halfway through the 18 hour drive to the nearest hospital> StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Nov 1, 2018 05:24
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I read this as refugees and not refuges and was trying to understand it for a while
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Nov 1, 2018 06:17
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StabbinHobo posted:
As someone who is doing basically this (but I bought some fish moxxy after hearing about that PR guy who died from a finger cut infection) it's less that I think it will "solve" something, and more that it gives me a sense of purpose, a slight feeling of control, and something to do between elections and IPCC reports. The only realistic way to survive is if enough people come together and basically drag the Exxon board out of their skyrise and start dismantling pollution sources brick by brick yesterday. That isn't happening. I keep having the conversations, keep voting for politicians with plans for the environment, keep trying to do my part (biking to work, our one vehicle is electric, only one child, recycling, etc) but I know these individual actions are not even close to enough. Having a big plot of land, building and planning a rainwater catchment or windmill for power is fun, mentally stimulating, building up my carpentry, plumbing, and electrical skills, plus gives me more residential space to help friends or family as poo poo gets worse. The actual difference it will make come 2030 might be non existent, but until then it's something I can directly *do* each day. It also shows all those in my life who I'm telling "poo poo is going to get hellscape and soon" physical proof that I believe what I say when I spend almost every waking moment of my energy preparing for the reality they don't want to believe is happening. I can't make a person believe that the time for action is *right now* but I *can* build a potato cellar for cold storage without electricity with the frustration energy from how indignant those conversations always go.
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poopinmymouth posted:As someone who is doing basically this (but I bought some fish moxxy after hearing about that PR guy who died from a finger cut infection) it's less that I think it will "solve" something, and more that it gives me a sense of purpose, a slight feeling of control, and something to do between elections and IPCC reports. That's some quality of life stuff right there. Right behind you, just about as soon as I can. It might not amount to much in the total picture, but at least it's putting your money where your mouth is and making a good foundation for weathering changes. It's not so bad a life either, if you can appreciate it.
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How are u posted:A sustainable living thread where people posted about learning to garden or dig wells or install solar and poo poo could be fun. Rime posted:It exists, it was spun off from here actually I think: Come join us in the thread! I had to lessen my time on SA due to canvassing and phone-banking for the 2018 midterms, but I am getting back into the swing of things. I also had to take a break from depression from Kavanaugh getting confirmed...
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Rime posted:Startling new research finds large buildup of heat in the oceans, suggesting a faster rate of global warming This is terrifyingly bad.
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friendbot2000 posted:Come join us in the thread! I had to lessen my time on SA due to canvassing and phone-banking for the 2018 midterms, but I am getting back into the swing of things. I also had to take a break from depression from Kavanaugh getting confirmed... This thread is also how to live sustainably in an Urban Center too! So if homesteading isn't your cup of tea, still come on over.
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Rime posted:Startling new research finds large buildup of heat in the oceans, suggesting a faster rate of global warming gently caress. Looks like my advice of 'learn to swim' is not gonna pan out.
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Paradoxish posted:This is terrifyingly bad. Probably some of the most dire research this year, and it's been a pretty loving dark year for environmental news. I will  a ban right now that 2019 is going to bring things to light, particularly aggressively worsening feedback loops, which will result in major upheaval in developed nations.And I have never partaken in the toxx nonsense before.  quote:Earth's oceans have retained 60 percent more heat each year over the past 25 years than scientists previously believed. Might as well eat half the IPCC report (which was already grim) and use the remainder to wipe your rear end, becuase that's about how much value it has as a projection now. Rime fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Not sure which is more depressing, /r/collapse or this thread
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GargleBlaster posted:Not sure which is more depressing, /r/collapse or this thread I'm gonna go for the underdog option C: the impending future we have prepared for ourselves.
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Nov 1, 2018 17:00
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Clothing generates more CO2 emissions than all international flights and maritime shipping combined due to a rapid acceleration in purchase/disposal cycles driven by trade liberalization Hey, you goons enjoy not walking around naked? Good job, you're worse for the environment than Owl.
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Nov 1, 2018 18:25
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Can't wait to smugly tell my girlfriend that me never buying clothes and dressing like a slob is actually climate crusading.
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Nov 1, 2018 18:41
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i want like a form of scrubs that doubles as an eco-communist uniform
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Nov 1, 2018 18:49
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Rime posted:Clothing generates more CO2 emissions than all international flights and maritime shipping combined due to a rapid acceleration in purchase/disposal cycles driven by trade liberalization I didn't even realize that I was saving the planet by still wearing poo poo I bought in the 90's.
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Rime posted:Clothing generates more CO2 emissions than all international flights and maritime shipping combined due to a rapid acceleration in purchase/disposal cycles driven by trade liberalization If you don't buy your clothes from a thrift store then you can gtfo out of my face. Also, learn to mend your own socks and clothes. Saves money and the environment! Also, buy good quality shoes and just repair and resole them. Over time it is cheaper than buying a new pair of shoes over and over. I have 4 pairs of shoes, but they last and can be repaired by a cobbler. friendbot2000 fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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StabbinHobo posted:i want like a form of scrubs that doubles as an eco-communist uniform My mother's favorite thing about working in pediatric is that she wears scrubs all damned day long and gives no shits about how she looks. Apart from the screaming children, it sounds like a blessed life.
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my clothing purchases are negligible but otoh i work in textiles so i've probably made a non-negligible contribution to the destruction of the earth sorry-not-sorry
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I don't generally buy from thrift stores but I do tend to wear my clothes until they literally fall off.
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Trainee PornStar posted:I don't generally buy from thrift stores but I do tend to wear my clothes until they literally fall off. Username-post combo 
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GargleBlaster posted:Not sure which is more depressing, /r/collapse or this thread Maybe it's me who's this unstable Always obsessed about the end Why can't I let what happens happen? And just enjoy the time I spend Oh, how I wish it was so easy But when there is no point to anything It can get a bit confusing Why is that I keep going? Why is that we keep going?
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friendbot2000 posted:Also, buy good quality shoes and just repair and resole them. Over time it is cheaper than buying a new pair of shoes over and over. I have 4 pairs of shoes, but they last and can be repaired by a cobbler. “The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.” ― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms: The Play
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Now think about how the moneyed can hire accountants that maneuver their finances through the tax system, and lawyers that immunize them to the legal system.
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I've remained relatively optimistic over the last few years, but this year has kinda pushed me back deep into the depressive phase of the cycle. My gf and me are currently decreasing our footprints and waste significantly, but if feels absolutely hopeless. Im gonna go ahead and try my damndest to remove my Personal impact tho, at least it gives me something to do. My current goal is to spend the next year without buying anything new apart from food and basic neccecities, switching completely to a vegan diet and to not fly. The last year's I've gone on average 3 trips by plane and that is basically half my total budget. Apparat from that I'm giving money to an Organisation that compensates co2, is this actually doing something or just a feel good measure?
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Son of Rodney posted:I've remained relatively optimistic over the last few years, but this year has kinda pushed me back deep into the depressive phase of the cycle. My gf and me are currently decreasing our footprints and waste significantly, but if feels absolutely hopeless. absolutely everything we do right now is just color and noise to distract us from the very imminent end
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Oxxidation posted:absolutely everything we do right now is just color and noise to distract us from the very imminent end Lol I knew exactly that this was gonna be the first reply, but tried my luck anyway.
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I think as long as you prepare and make your own and your family's life as comfortable and stable as possible and help out with your local community that's about the best you can hope for.
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Rime posted:Clothing generates more CO2 emissions than all international flights and maritime shipping combined due to a rapid acceleration in purchase/disposal cycles driven by trade liberalization Does anyone have the underlying study that they pulled that statistic from? I’m curious which way they did their LCA.
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Son of Rodney posted:I've remained relatively optimistic over the last few years, but this year has kinda pushed me back deep into the depressive phase of the cycle. My gf and me are currently decreasing our footprints and waste significantly, but if feels absolutely hopeless. Don't mind oxxidation, that's just his/her posting gimmick. While what you do individually won't turn the tide on its own, you'll be much more ready to deal with the future than most everybody else. We'll collapse, have several centuries of awful, awful garbage, and probably figure things out from there.
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The Dipshit posted:
Accessible liquid hydrocarbons are gone. Accessible coal is gone (except really poo poo stuff, like the bagger fields of Germany). Surface minerals are gone. Subsurface minerals are tight. Fish are vanishing worldwide. Insects are vanishing. We don't know the long term health ramifications of the microplastics now showing up in loving Everything, Everywhere, could be nothing, could be worse than asbestos and on a global scale. I'm not saying we're likely to go extinct as a species, but the chances of us ever recovering to punch higher than Roman level development in the event that civilization completely falls apart is unlikely, and even that seems optimistic given the staggering scale of non-renewable resource depletion and widespread pollution which we've engaged in over the past 75 years. Our species had one shot, but we're within a millimeter of loving it up forever and sitting here suffering until the next deep impact event does us in for good. Which seems fair, given the amount of blood we'll have on our hands as a species by the time this is done.
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Yeah, well, we offered socialism as an alternative to barbary and you americans rejected it.
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Rime posted:Accessible liquid hydrocarbons are gone. Accessible coal is gone (except really poo poo stuff, like the bagger fields of Germany). lol at starting off a long rant with such completely wrong statements. For example, the Powder River Basin.
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Trabisnikof posted:lol at starting off a long rant with such completely wrong statements. For example, the Powder River Basin. quote:Powder River Basin (PRB) coal is classified as "sub-bituminous" and contains an average of approximately 8,500 btu/lb, with low Sulfur. Contrast this with eastern, Appalachian bituminous coal containing an average of 12,500 btu/lb and high sulfur. PRB coal was essentially worthless until air pollution emissions from power plants (primarily sulfur dioxide, or "SO2") became a concern. quote:The Powder River Basin is the largest coal mining region in the United States, but most of the coal is buried too deeply to be economically accessible. quote:The mines in the Powder River Basin typically have less than 20 years of life remaining. I am the civilization recovering after centuries of a dark age, but will somehow be able to strip mine this worthless coal deposit which is only accessible thanks to modern technology, and which will have a negligible if not negative EROEI. Any other bright ideas there, champ? 
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