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Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Frijolero posted:

The PT should have gone full PSUV and the PSUV should have gone full PCC.

Truly, the only lesson worth having about Venezuela and Brazil right now is that neoliberals will kill you if you let them have power.

Didn't we (supposedly) already know that with Pinochet?

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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
The israel worship is really weird to me

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Frijolero posted:

The PT should have gone full PSUV and the PSUV should have gone full PCC.

Truly, the only lesson worth having about Venezuela and Brazil right now is that neoliberals will kill you if you let them have power.

there are some other useful lessons from venezuela

"price ceilings without subsidies are potentially very stupid" and "there is a level of theft that even socialism and oil can't save you from", for example

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kurtofan posted:

The israel worship is really weird to me

the fascist link with israel is perplexing, but there it is?

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
for anyone in Brazil looking to get active in organizing against Bolsonaro, Liberdade, Socialismo e Revolução is the sister party of Socialist Alternative in the US. they are a tendency within PSOL, heres their website https://www.lsr-cit.org/

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Kurtofan posted:

The israel worship is really weird to me

There's probably any number of angles pro-Zionist support can come from for Brazil and Bolsonaro. The big one being getting in good with the current US President.

Israel is a borderline Ethno-Fascist state itself so it's not all that surprising. The only difference is their group of choice is the Jewish people and their group of exploitation and derision are Palestinians and other Muslim groups.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
These business dudes that are openly leaning hard on Bolsonaro like the Havan dude probably didn't follow closely what's happening on the US regarding Trump's businesses. Associating their business to Bolsonaro might affect sales, especially since stores like Havan focus on cheaper items. That could (emphasis on could) lead to mass store closures and closer scrutiny on their businesses.

Beowulfs_Ghost
Nov 6, 2009
Most of these nationalist types don't really want to genocide other ethnicities. They are happy if they just leave.

Israel, with it's right of return, is a great example of a "Look, you people have your own country to go to."

I'm sure that if an African country offered instant citizenship to anyone of African descent, I bet plenty of American and European countries would support it and sing it's praises, hoping their own African populations will emigrate.

And historically, fascists tend to be fine with other fascists. So long as they stay on their side of the border.

spivak
May 19, 2010

Kurtofan posted:

The israel worship is really weird to me

We imported that weird Israel-worshiping brand of evangelicals from the US that believe that in order to bring forth the Armageddon the nation of Israel must be whole again or some other bullshit. I talked to a born-again Brazilian Christian here in Germany who was super antimuslim and kept saying that the Israelis are God's chosen people. Go figure.

Max Awfuls
Sep 10, 2011
Besides, beyond hardcore Nazi types and evangelical nutjobs, anti-semitism is mostly make believe cynical window dressing used by fascist leaders who need a scapegoat for their rank and file to blame for how badly they are doing in life because they can't blame it on black and brown people when most of them are even worse off than them, so they create the myth of a nebulous millionaire jewish cabal that is actually pushing the white working man down to stop them from getting mad at the rich white people doing the actual pushing.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
His pro-israel anti-palestina stance is mostly alignment with the american right

Max Awfuls posted:

so they create the myth of a nebulous millionaire jewish cabal that is actually pushing the white working man down to stop them from getting mad at the rich white people doing the actual pushing.

This role is being played by George Soros nowdays, here and in the USA. Only instead of calling him a jew, they say he is a communist

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Elias_Maluco posted:

His pro-israel anti-palestina stance is mostly alignment with the american right


This role is being played by George Soros nowdays, here and in the USA. Only instead of calling him a jew, they say he is a communist

Another erran morad regime

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
finished listening to the war nerd on brazil, all the junta people and business elites are coming in for a huge party in the new government

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

mila kunis posted:

finished listening to the war nerd on brazil, all the junta people and business elites are coming in for a huge party in the new government

Cool cool cool

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

mila kunis posted:

finished listening to the war nerd on brazil, all the junta people and business elites are coming in for a huge party in the new government

tbf brazilians do know how to party, bet it'll be pretty rad

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


no this is old white people party

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

There's a couple of steps missing here.
- According to the vice-president elect yesterday, Moro met with Guedes (the Bolsonaro campaign's finance guy) during the campaign and was told he'd be invited for the ministry.
- 6 days before the 1st round Moro released the testimony of Lula's old finance minister. Testimony that had been rejected by the prosecutors in charge of it for being unsubstantiated, but was the main news for quite a few days.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
I'm gonna suggest to any Brazil goons who plan on staying in their country to read up on mutual aid stuff. Protests and violence probably aren't going to change anything materially at this point, the right is too united in its moment of triumph and will just gun everybody who resists down, but mutual aid networks will help get you and those you care about through the next few years while the country goes down the shitter.

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Hey my friend in Brazil was able to recover all of their stolen items from their mugging.

Now they're afraid of reprocussion from the criminals but she used Facebook to find them and they're hilariously inept mobile game scammers as well new inspired street thieves.
They've been arrested but they found a half dozen people's stuff from a couple of nights.

Anyways we're looking into a fiance visa because we are rad people together.

Friends and I are about to talk to a lawyer.

Siljmonster has issued a correction as of 01:04 on Nov 2, 2018

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Max Awfuls posted:

Bolsonaro is mostly paying lip service to IURD and other evangelicals that helped him get elected, he's much more of a hard on for militaristic "kill all lefties and criminals" kind of guy than a " kill the jews!" true believer nazi type. He's a sly opportunist, he's not deranged or crazy, which holds both benefits and disadvantages in a situation like this, because he's going to do a lot of harm on the long run but not in a spectacularly genocidal way that could get him ousted sooner rather than later.

https://twitter.com/rosenbergerlm/status/1058024976840835072

Hello Ketene
Dec 30, 2011
I like how people are treating bolsonaro as a hero for yielding to social media pressure regarding his recent streak of poo poo decisions (note that it's been less than a week since he was elected). It's not like he's gonna keep making terrible decisions forever because he's a garbage person and by 2019 people will stop caring enough to call him out, right?

Love Rat
Jan 15, 2008

I've made a psycho call to the woman I love, I've kicked a dog to death, and now I'm going to pepper spray an acquaintance. Something... I mean, what's happened to me?
It's like when people write that "this is when he became presidential" bullshit when President Goodbrains says something nice during a two-second break from being a complete dipshit waste of life.

Status quo folks can't handle the idea that their people elected a complete moron/mass murderer, so they're super eager to proclaim that, really, said moron is just another politician. All Bolsonaro has to do is occasionally say something normal or respectable, and these people will immediately posit it as proof that nothing has actually changed. This is why it's so easy to ride the slippy slide all the way to fascism. A lot of people can't accept it's happening.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Why the gently caress is steam recommending me those lovely unity asset store games made by Minions

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 04:42 on Oct 8, 2021

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

No see I play hearts of iron to jack off to conquering the world as the soviet union, not hitler

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Some idiots made a beat em up game where Bolsonaro goes around punching leftists and minorities and steam approved it

they might have taken it down later

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

StashAugustine posted:

No see I play hearts of iron to jack off to conquering the world as the soviet union, not hitler

This but it's one of the insane mods where I could play as Completely Unbalanced Prestes Brazil

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Plutonis posted:

This but it's one of the insane mods where I could play as Completely Unbalanced Prestes Brazil

A new Coluna Prestes marching to Alaska, the Japanese capital

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

nerdz posted:

Some idiots made a beat em up game where Bolsonaro goes around punching leftists and minorities and steam approved it

they might have taken it down later
Sounds like those fresh opportunities are already being exploited!

THS
Sep 15, 2017

if steam were around in the 30s what event would finally cause them to shut off service to germany

IBM and Ford were trying to run their poo poo right up to Poland, right?

THS
Sep 15, 2017

feel like there hasnt been a full scale imperialist invasion since steam started. gaming is the only thing keeping the peace

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

THS posted:

feel like there hasnt been a full scale imperialist invasion since steam started. gaming is the only thing keeping the peace

I assume Libya is only half credit.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

we need Boots On The Ground

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

nerdz posted:

Some idiots made a beat em up game where Bolsonaro goes around punching leftists and minorities and steam approved it

they might have taken it down later

Valve’s quality control is nonexistent at this point, and you can just put whatever trash you want on the marketplace.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

THS posted:

if steam were around in the 30s what event would finally cause them to shut off service to germany

IBM and Ford were trying to run their poo poo right up to Poland, right?

Bro IBM supplied the punchcards for computer system that helped make the holocaust as efficient as possible basically through the whole war lol

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Oh yeah speaking of dipshits and nerd media the dude who was on charge of the biggest convention on my city posted a bunch of Bolsonaro support on facebook and there's a 2k strong boycott mounting lol

https://mobile.opovo.com.br/noticias/politica/2018/10/competidores-do-sana-boicote-apos-apoio-de-diretor-a-jair-bolsonaro.html

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

spivak posted:

About armed insurgencies: it is a catastrophically bad idea. It is all mostly a matter of momentum. Right now 56% of Brazilians voted for the fascist. So you have the police, the plutocrats, the army, the evangelicals, the new political establishment and most of the population in favor of Bolsonaro. You should just find ways to protect yourselves, your loved ones and the disenfranchised.

Armed insurgencies occur out of necessity, not because of simply being bored at home.

ur in my world now
Jun 5, 2006

Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was


Smellrose
valve doesn't give a poo poo and hasn't for a while. they're too busy racking up mad $$$$ from hats and the 5000000 anime titty games on steam

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Mans posted:

Armed insurgencies occur out of necessity, not because of simply being bored at home.

So, you willing to come here and shoot some milicos, because if you're volunteering for a suicide mission that'll get you classified as a terrorist over a martyr right now, go for it.

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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Dias posted:

So, you willing to come here and shoot some milicos, because if you're volunteering for a suicide mission that'll get you classified as a terrorist over a martyr right now, go for it.

Very well.

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