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I didn't listen to the episode but their Twitter implied they don't want to be involved with anything that might support WWE.
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thats like item 2.5 of 5 on their list. mostly id say it sounds like theyre too busy to do a show about something they dont really enjoy because the world is ending, and they got into the promotion when it was sabre and lee and dijak and oreilly and ricochet and lio rush and riddle and now its all the guys not good enough for nxt tv
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Aesop Poprock posted:Is there a podcast or observer article about how he first got access to sources and stuff? I can't imagine that was a fun or easy process https://soundcloud.com/coltcabana/aow-151-dave-meltzer-1 I listened to it when it first came out but I think he goes over how he got his start in this.
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achillesforever6 posted:Gabe done killed the only podcast dedicated to Evolve I thought WWN was paying those guys?
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coconono posted:I thought WWN was paying those guys? Not enough, apparently.
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achillesforever6 posted:Gabe done killed the only podcast dedicated to Evolve Sucks to see them go but all their reasons are completely understandable. Very good final episode
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https://twitter.com/heynottheface/status/1057492403559563266?s=21 Dave go on chapo
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Oh my God, the latest Bryan & Vinny (and Craig... and Lance!) recaps an interview where Mean Gene tells Meng to speak English. Meng's response is incredible.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:https://twitter.com/heynottheface/status/1057492403559563266?s=21 it turns out most of the money created was because some Italian place was charging people for chicken and not actually putting it on their pasta
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Raskolnikov38 posted:https://twitter.com/heynottheface/status/1057492403559563266?s=21 it turns out people having money to spend on goods and services means there is more money spent on goods and services who would have thought it
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The start of their next story arch: https://twitter.com/TheLapsedFan/status/1057732565136797697
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Cornette is right about everything.
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Judakel posted:Cornette is right about everything. No. He's wildly out of touch but occasionally says something dead on the money.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:No. He's wildly out of touch but occasionally says something dead on the money. Like when he pines for the days when wrestlers could bully the poo poo out of people and it was all good fun, as if such an era ever existed.
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LividLiquid posted:I think it's the opposite. Most of the poo poo he says is dead on and then he'll say something so loving ridiculous that I can't believe it's coming out of the same mouth. Or when he rants about Colt Cabana and Chuck Taylor killing the business with comedy wrestling and then fondly remembers Plowboy Frazier, a racist idiot and lovely wrestler who did a lot of comedy stuff.
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CombineThresher posted:Or when he rants about Colt Cabana and Chuck Taylor killing the business with comedy wrestling and then fondly remembers Plowboy Frazier, a racist idiot and lovely wrestler who did a lot of comedy stuff. Or any of the dumb comedy poo poo Jim did in Memphis and NWA that was somehow okay. Jim's walking double standard whose booking mostly hurt ROH. The stuff he's criticized in hindsight though, he's correct on; his story about his plan to elevate Pillman only to be stymied by the guy in charge at the time (wanna say Herd but not sure) is a good example.
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Anytime cornette talks about dumb modern booking remember he booked a mummy in smoky mountain
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Smoking Crow posted:Anytime cornette talks about dumb modern booking remember he booked a mummy in smoky mountain Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZAmgF5VNPA
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Cornette is smart enough that he knows saying stuff like that riles people up and he's made it his gimmick, as shown by him trash talking Omega and The Bucks and then trying to message them privately to make money together. I'm sure he generally dislikes things like Joey Ryan's penis gimmick but it's like all of wrestling where it's turned up to 11. In this age it's really hard to "Work the internet" without going totally over the line and just being a scumbag so that's just what he does. He's still one of the most honest and reliable guys from almost any era, has a really great memory and tells amazing stories. I've never heard a Cornette story and thought it was bullshit or super embellished.
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Jim Cornette is correct about Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks.
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Judakel posted:Jim Cornette is correct about Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks. wrong
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Smoking Crow posted:Anytime cornette talks about dumb modern booking remember he booked a mummy in smoky mountain If I remember correctly the mummy was only put in because Rick Rubin wanted one. On the other hand Cowabunga was 100% a Jim Cornette creation. His argument to defend those types of characters is it could just be a guy who’s doing it as a gimmick or it could be a guy who really thinks he’s a mummy or a ninja turtle and as long as he’s not winking at the camera it’s ok. It’s dumb logic and I’m pretty sure he knows it’s dumb because his gimmick is to be cranky about the young bucks
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It was pretty obvious when he talked about All In that he was in gimmickville when it came to him trashing the Young Bucks and co. He very much wanted those guys to succeed and be able to draw without having a weekly TV show on terrestrial channels or being under the promotion of a major company. He probably did and maybe still does view them as spot monkeys but he clearly has a ton of respect for their accomplishments outside the ring.
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Judakel posted:Jim Cornette is correct about Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks. and Kenny proves it everytime he tweets.
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coconono posted:and Kenny proves it everytime he tweets. the dichotomy of Kenny Omega is "Kenny is such a dork, I love him" and "ugh... Kenny is such a dork"
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Jim's big problem with Kenny is a perceived lack psychology in the ring and doing too many highspots that dont end the match. That doesn't really apply to Kenny being dumb on Twitter. Honestly, I find it sorta silly Jim feels this way, he's the same guy who mocked people for criticizing the Midnights for the same stuff when he managed them. People used to call Ric Flair a spot monkey too, because he'd use a suplex (considered a highspot when he was moving towards the main event in Mid Atlantic/NWA, it was even Harley Race's finish), and a big running knee drop, which was Brusier Brody's finish, all to set up the Figure 4. Jim is taking the fact that wrestling has totally passed him by and using it to work. If he really felt that Kenny and the Bucks were ruining the business, he wouldn't have proposed an angle with them. Anybody who buys into what Jim is saying is either stuck in the past or very easily led by strongly worded opinions by people with credibility. One more thing: Jim has said in the past that, when he gets into an argument, he often says the worst poo poo he can think of to "win". This is what resulted in him calling a security guy who wouldn't let an SMW wrestler in to the arena a friend of the family. So even if he has been critical of Kenny's often awkward behavior, he should probably apply what he expects of Kenny to himself. Maybe the Bucks would have been on board if he had, because Jim said some hosed up stuff about their kids (I think he wished death on them, which is dumb). I will say that only Meltzer and Stern compare as historians though. And I think his idea to elevate Brian Pillman would have worked. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Kenny's sustained high octane style is his what made his program with Okada such a big deal. His actual in ring weakness is ACTING.
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Lone Goat posted:what's this ring boy thing Dave was talking about that was more gross than crown jewel?
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Lone Goat posted:what's this ring boy thing Dave was talking about that was more gross than crown jewel? Here's a rundown with a lot of links. Unmentioned in this article is the running gag in WWF commentary about how various jobbers were referred to as "graduates of the Terry Garvin school of self-defense" by Monsoon and McMahon. Oh right, Mel Phillips was also around doing creepy poo poo simultaneously. And Pat Patterson was implicated, or at least accused of turning a blind eye to a lot of stuff, though I think Meltzer and others always defend Patterson as getting wrapped up in the rumors because he was gay more than any smoking gun that he was directly involved. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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RealFoxy posted:He's still one of the most honest and reliable guys from almost any era, has a really great memory and tells amazing stories. I've never heard a Cornette story and thought it was bullshit or super embellished. Agreed - he's a solid wrestling historian and a mostly honest guy, albeit one whose anger management problems trip him up a lot. I just think his tirades against comedy wrestling are stupid because the stuff he gets mad at often falls in line with what he likes about the old days: guys getting over through character work and audience interaction without having to rely on dangerous high spots. That he hates Cabana so much is especially bewildering because Colt can actually wrestle.
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CombineThresher posted:Agreed - he's a solid wrestling historian and a mostly honest guy, albeit one whose anger management problems trip him up a lot. I just think his tirades against comedy wrestling are stupid because the stuff he gets mad at often falls in line with what he likes about the old days: guys getting over through character work and audience interaction without having to rely on dangerous high spots. That he hates Cabana so much is especially bewildering because Colt can actually wrestle. He would prefer they get over without comedy that is downright improbable for a real match. He doesn't mind comedy from non-wrestlers like himself or stuff like Mr. Socko.
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Cornette is a wonderful source who I consider authoritative about dates, gates, pay, travel and basically anything that isn’t “intrapersonal beefs” or “presenting his aesthetic preferences as objective fact”
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Jim's big problem with Kenny is a perceived lack psychology in the ring and doing too many highspots that dont end the match. I thought Jim's biggest prob with Kenny was he skipped out on an ROH date to work a japan spot(presumably because Kenny was tired of Jim's bullshit).
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Cornette knows a lot about what he knows but he has a much narrower breadth of knowledge than many historians. Which is fine, that's not his biggest flaw. The racism is. Anyway, the new podcast is up and it's a big review of the Nitro book with lots of WCW history for those who enjoy that. https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1058154779292123136
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MassRafTer posted:Which is fine, that's not his biggest flaw. The racism is. Yeah I used to really enjoy listening to his podcast even if I didn't always agree with him, but the episode where he just went off on a tirade about how Muslims are all evil really, really put me off. Especially weird considering how he has so many liberal opinions (or at least anti-conservative, I guess).
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah I used to really enjoy listening to his podcast even if I didn't always agree with him, but the episode where he just went off on a tirade about how Muslims are all evil really, really put me off. Especially weird considering how he has so many liberal opinions (or at least anti-conservative, I guess). he's a baby boomer, which means he's one missed meal away from a white hood and cross burning.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah I used to really enjoy listening to his podcast even if I didn't always agree with him, but the episode where he just went off on a tirade about how Muslims are all evil really, really put me off. Especially weird considering how he has so many liberal opinions (or at least anti-conservative, I guess). The classic Bill Maher liberal
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah I used to really enjoy listening to his podcast even if I didn't always agree with him, but the episode where he just went off on a tirade about how Muslims are all evil really, really put me off. Especially weird considering how he has so many liberal opinions (or at least anti-conservative, I guess). cornette is basically a liberal d&d poster from 2002
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