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Ardennes posted:Granted, I do think Bolsonaro does want to keep up the appearance of normalcy since it gives him greater leeway. That said, I think it is going to have to get pretty bad for Congress to turn on him after he purges it (which is my bet). Moreover, at the end of the day, the military is going to back him and the US is willing to tolerate plenty from a country that is willing to buy tons of arms. That said, some gripping from Congress would probably be accepted unless they actually impede him. It is going to be something to watch for sure. If it makes you feel better, you had already missed that by 2016. Brazilian institutions were never robust, but it took a lot of deliberate, hurried destroying them to get to where we are.
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Flayer posted:Just how bad is Bolsonaro then? He seems to be universally panned as a fascist yet was elected with a pretty convincing majority in Brazil so I'm wondering if there's more to it. It was not a pretty convincing majority if you consider that turnout was the lowest ever since Brazilians got the right to vote again. A full third of voters abstained.
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Yeah, if you consider nulls, blanks and abstentions (in our country with mandatory voting), his election had the support of 39% of voters. Still a scary number, but somewhat less so than 55% of Brazilians supporting him.
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joepinetree posted:Here, read his own words for yourself: Wow...
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ZearothK posted:Yeah, if you consider nulls, blanks and abstentions (in our country with mandatory voting), his election had the support of 39% of voters. Still a scary number, but somewhat less so than 55% of Brazilians supporting him. That's not to mention all the protest Never-PT voters. They could turn on him at the drop of a hat when they are directly affected by unpopular policies.
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nerdz posted:That's not to mention all the protest Never-PT voters. They could turn on him at the drop of a hat when they are directly affected by unpopular policies. This is really where the screw turns. Vargas was a political cypher on the national level when he basically kicked apart the Old Republic and crawled up from the South to bury the Rio/Sao Paulo power axis. But because he actively countered the post-29 crash maialise, sold himself as a man of the people and secired even a few worker protections, he soon had people even in the states he had humiliated cheering for him. Bolsonaro will deliver red meat, and for many that will be enough. If he can't also offer lasting, visible development to significant portions of people, he'll end up having no choice but full dictatorship. And since today's economic model isn't really interested in alowing real development even in first world countries, let alone in the boondocks.....
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-29/mexico-s-amlo-may-yet-win-over-investors He was elected to get rid of neoliberal boondoggles, not show up, talk pretty, and then throw his hands up in resignation like liberals do when it comes to making hard decisions.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:He was elected to get rid of neoliberal boondoggles, not show up, talk pretty, and then throw his hands up in resignation like liberals do when it comes to making hard decisions. And he picked some of the most notorious neoliberal boondoggles as part of his team, talks out of his rear end with no knowledge of the situation (so far both the Vatican and France have come to officially discredit AMLO's claims about his relationship with them) and he's pretty much just waving his dick to prove he's right with no regard for what is actually better for country.
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Today in bolsonaro news: -President elect named the evangelical TV network the only unbiased one and openly said he plans to use government funds to punish media he considers 'dishonest'. -His Chicago-School uberminister said he plans to merge three powerful departments under himself, and reform Social Security under the Chilean Pinochet mold (basically 30% of minimum wage, which is starvation level in Brazil). Except for the military, of course! -Teachers are being filmed/harrassed by their shithead students so they can be fired for 'indoctrination' if they as much as blink in a way that doesn't praise Dear Leader. Several recently elected congresspeople from PSL have been hyping this practice.
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Sephyr posted:
From the Brazil thread: Kunster posted:https://twitter.com/strauss_real/status/1056707022119452672
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Sephyr posted:If it makes you feel better, you had already missed that by 2016. Yeah I was in Brasilia for my Fulbright year in 2015 and even then the writing was on the wall (the Dilma witch hunt, rising prices for seemingly everything, the white upper middle class provoking fake protests, the unmitigated corruption of the Olympic buildup, increasingly violent pacification efforts in Rio, etc). I was hoping to go back next summer for a short workshop on Black Feminism in the African Diaspora being held in Salvador, but depending on how bad things get between now and then I dunno.
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Pffthahahahahaha! The judge that hounded former president and presidential candidate Lula, condemned him to keep him from running, ruled that he could not issue any statements or interviews in prison, and interrupted his own vacations to reverse another judge's ruling for his release? Just accepted the offer to become minister of Justice for Bolsonaro, with massively increased powers. I gotta hand it to them, they don't play coy. Bolso's vice-president even openly said that they were already in talks during the campaign. Most people I know are ecstatic about it, since it surely means the end of all corruption and arrest of all commies, but a few are finally blinking and going 'Huh, that's kinda fishy'. Not that it will matter.
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One thing's for certain: I no longer see Brazil as becoming a major power this century. It'll take decades to recover from whatever their bad karma Bolsonaro will inflict.
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Generally, bad karma has been a prerequisite for being a great power rather than an obstacle
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Grouchio posted:One thing's for certain: I no longer see Brazil as becoming a major power this century. It'll take decades to recover from whatever their bad karma Bolsonaro will inflict. Make that ever. After they sell anything of even slight value to foreign conglomerates (or just to chinese state companies, in my favorite twist; local government ownership is communism, but selling to actual commies? Fine!), landowners and evangelical churches split government power between themselves and education is formatted into a mix of creationism and Ayn Rand for the tropics, I don't think there'll be any coming back.
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Paracaidas posted:Generally, bad karma has been a prerequisite for being a great power rather than an obstacle I think the issue is less bad karma and more coming economic, social, and ecological catastrophe.
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Gobbeldygook posted:BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKERS 'MURICA COMIN' Imagine if it turns out the US meddled in Brazilian elections to get another country onboard for a latin america war that would be so funny
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nerdz posted:Imagine if it turns out the US meddled in Brazilian elections to get another country onboard for a latin america war Is pretty safe to assumed that Steve Bannon was part of it, so...
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This is probable, however Bolton is also probably 100% sincere about his desire to dispose of these governments. Trump has expressed interested in more aggressive policy towards Venezuela, but I doubt he's picky about which states are targeted. I expect we'll at least see extra funding for opposition in these places, and possibly more. Cuba could probably avoid it all though if they put up a Trump resort in Havanna, tbh.
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Worth mentioning again that if there was a sincere wish to crush the Venezuelan government, Trump et al could declare suspension on Venezuelan oil import/export with the US tomorrow and have the country collapsed within 2 weeks. It's clearly about posturing.
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I'm interested in an in-depth look at Venezuela's collapse that's not propaganda. I mean, anything is going to be biased from some direction, but I'd like to read something more than socialism = bad. Any good articles on this?
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Gobbeldygook posted:BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKERS 'MURICA COMIN' Nicaragua is turning more neoliberal though. fishmech posted:Worth mentioning again that if there was a sincere wish to crush the Venezuelan government, Trump et al could declare suspension on Venezuelan oil import/export with the US tomorrow and have the country collapsed within 2 weeks. But the sanctions!
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I'm interested in an in-depth look at Venezuela's collapse that's not propaganda. I mean, anything is going to be biased from some direction, but I'd like to read something more than socialism = bad. Any good articles on this? In very roughly descending order of how much I like them, here are four reasonably neutral (or at least not "socialism = bad" as their main angle) summary articles https://www.opendemocracy.net/democraciaabierta/chris-carlson/crisis-in-venezuela-and-its-lessons-for-left April 2018, pretty solid https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16189742/venezuela-maduro-dictator-chavez-collapse Reasonably detailed, some of the sentences may make leftists angry, also it's from 2017 so it's missing some of the more recent fuckery and catastrophes https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/04/venezuela-happening-170412114045595.html Bullet points, but lots of them https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36319877 it's fine I can pretty much guarantee there's better stuff out there but this was a cursory google for introductory-ish stuff. Edit: here's one from a left-er perspective that still isn't Maduro apologism: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/07/venezuela-maduro-helicopter-attack-psuv-extractivism-oil there was an interesting jacobin article that did a deeper dive on Venezuelan agriculture (and, uh, made a concerted effort to come up with reasons why Maduro wasn't to blame for food shortages) but I can't find it offhand Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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Squalid posted:This is probable, however Bolton is also probably 100% sincere about his desire to dispose of these governments. Trump has expressed interested in more aggressive policy towards Venezuela, but I doubt he's picky about which states are targeted. I expect we'll at least see extra funding for opposition in these places, and possibly more. Cuba could probably avoid it all though if they put up a Trump resort in Havanna, tbh. Venezuela's current regime absolutely is criminal and deserves to be toppled, but American intervention is still a bad idea. It would just lead to another 'anti-imperialist' wave a couple of decades down the road. Right now they're failing spectacularly and it's no one's fault but their own.
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Phlegmish posted:Venezuela's current regime absolutely is criminal and deserves to be toppled, but American intervention is still a bad idea. It would just lead to another 'anti-imperialist' wave a couple of decades down the road. Right now they're failing spectacularly and it's no one's fault but their own. Yes, because toppled Latin American governments always end up so well. Wait? What's that? Dirty War? Throwing people out of helicopters over the ocean? Mass Graves? Nooo, that's just LEFT WING PROPAGANDA! The best would be to just let them collapse, either into a new provisional government or a civil war. Just stay away from the whole mess, anything anyone else does will end in tears.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:In very roughly descending order of how much I like them, here are four reasonably neutral (or at least not "socialism = bad" as their main angle) summary articles I remember when the Jacobin article came out and all the HANDS OFF NORTH KOREA people said this meant Jacobin was a CIA front.
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The Left's response to Venezuela makes me very disappointed. Many think the country can do no wrong what so ever just because Chavez was mean to capitalists and increased welfare to the amount that you get in the U.S.
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RagnarokZ posted:Yes, because toppled Latin American governments always end up so well. Wait? What's that? Dirty War? Throwing people out of helicopters over the ocean? Mass Graves? Nooo, that's just LEFT WING PROPAGANDA! for a while I was hoping there might be some sort of reasoned and careful pressure the other South and Central American countries, particularly Venezuela's neighbors, could collectively apply without the US getting excessively tempted to gently caress around and then welp Brazil elected a Nazi so yeah, i guess i'm stuck hoping Venezuela's continued implosion doesn't get too much more horrible for Venezuelans Badger of Basra posted:I remember when the Jacobin article came out and all the HANDS OFF NORTH KOREA people said this meant Jacobin was a CIA front. that's silly, I don't see Brown Moses' name mentioned anywhere in the article
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nerdz posted:Imagine if it turns out the US meddled in Brazilian elections to get another country onboard for a latin america war I never thought the plot of COD: Ghosts would become even MORE ridiculous and implausible in hindsight yet here we are. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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While I disagree with a few friends who insist that fascim and democracy are one and the same, extreme right-wing poo poo being on the rise all over the world kinda makes me wonder if I'm the one on the wrong here. I legit don't know what'll happen during the next Argentinian primary election, but at least we haven't got (yet) our very own Bolsonaro.
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Azran posted:While I disagree with a few friends who insist that fascim and democracy are one and the same, extreme right-wing poo poo being on the rise all over the world kinda makes me wonder if I'm the one on the wrong here. We already have our own flavor of Bolsonaro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTy1xFVevHM
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“The recent elections of like-minded leaders in key countries, including Iván Duque in Colombia and, last weekend, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, are positive signs for the future of the region, and demonstrate a growing regional commitment to free-market principles, and open, transparent and accountable governance,” Bolton said at Freedom Tower in Miami, a national historic landmark that served as a processing center for Cuban refugees in the 1960s. Latin America was a major staging ground for the Cold War, leading to U.S. policies such as the one that allowed Cubans fleeing Fidel Castro’s rule to resettle stateside. Bolton said the United States would not allow a resurgence of communism in the hemisphere, vowing to defend “freedom fighters.”
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hello i am phone posted:We already have our own flavor of Bolsonaro. Thanks for reminding me Olmedo exists. 
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Plutonis posted:“The recent elections of like-minded leaders in key countries, including Iván Duque in Colombia and, last weekend, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, are positive signs for the future of the region, and demonstrate a growing regional commitment to free-market principles, and open, transparent and accountable governance,” Bolton said at Freedom Tower in Miami, a national historic landmark that served as a processing center for Cuban refugees in the 1960s. "Resurgence of communism". What year is this? 1958?
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