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I’m regretting turning down a counter offer, for the first time in my career, 6 months into new job. I Fuched up
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AWWNAW posted:I’m regretting turning down a counter offer, for the first time in my career, 6 months into new job. I Fuched up I'm feeling just like that, except more like 6 weeks into the new job.
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KoRMaK posted:I'm very open to that idea, but I don't think I was a dick about offering. I was always really supportive of helping them. I was very very patient with them, but I will say I wasn't absolutely perfect. It was a very trying relationship. They didn't know anything about how like classes or instances worked, or how variables and their scopes were defined, which means they basically misrepresented themselves in the interview. So anyway, whatever it was I was tooooo much of a dick from his perspective. But for me, and the other devs that had to work with him, they said I demonstrated really good patience. yeah it sounds like this person was in over their heads and blaming you for it. ruling: probably not a dick
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Nov 3, 2018 00:02
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jit bull transpile posted:yeah it sounds like this person was in over their heads and blaming you for it. ruling: probably not a dick takes 1 2 no 1!!!
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DELETE CASCADE posted:takes 1 2 no 1!!! sum nemo
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jit bull transpile posted:yeah it sounds like this person was in over their heads and blaming you for it. ruling: probably not a dick also I'm not sure how someone can work with programming for a while and not grow completely insensitive to the "*gasp* you don't know about X???" reactions from fellow programmers
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Nov 3, 2018 03:57
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my favorite one was how this one dude I worked with made a huge stink because I never heard of ACO before
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Nov 3, 2018 04:00
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Gazpacho posted:just to be clear you're not going to double a $160k salary as a bay area computer toucher at a tech giant, they pay market rates and immigrants will eat your lunch
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Nov 3, 2018 04:16
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Pie Colony posted:welp, my job search is finally over. took about 2 months from start to finish, though it helped that i wasn't working during that time. ended up doing 7 onsites and getting 4 offers. now i'm moving forward with a Big Tech Co that's offering 185k base/15% bonus/80k signing/500k rsus (for reference this is NYC). as you can imagine i'm REALLY happy about that, my last job was a flat 130k, and i've come a long way from my first job six years ago making 60k. time to crack open a cold beer or 5 jesus christ i'm in nyc, too, and i have way more experience than you do, and my last signing bonus was only like $35k maybe it's time to switch jobs, gently caress me
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Nov 3, 2018 04:33
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Symbolic Butt posted:also I'm not sure how someone can work with programming for a while and not grow completely insensitive to the "*gasp* you don't know about X???" reactions from fellow programmers they're common but they're not OK and that kind of poo poo is still upsetting
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Nov 3, 2018 04:45
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Yea a reaction like that can cause a problem and sounds condescending and poo poo, so i rightfully avoided any sort of suprised sound reaction. And now I have a new interview set of questions to sus this out before it turns into 6 months of pain for either party!Pie Colony posted:500k rsus
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Nov 3, 2018 04:48
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KoRMaK posted:wtf is an rsus??? Can I get 3? rsus are the new hotness, like rear end eating isos and blowjobs are so 20th century
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Nov 3, 2018 04:50
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those are more initialisms that I don't understand!
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Nov 3, 2018 04:51
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KoRMaK posted:those are more initialisms that I don't understand! oh i thought you were kidding RSU: restricted stock unit. a grant of actual stock to the employee. this is taxable as income. ISO: incentive stock option. an option to buy stock at a specified strike price. this gets fancy tax handling and i can't explain it all in one sentence. ISOs were hot as gently caress for decades because they got nice accounting treatment for the firms that issued them. that stopped at some point, for reasons i do not understand. now RSUs are the new hotness
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:oh i thought you were kidding quote:ISO: incentive stock option. an option to buy stock at a specified strike price. this gets fancy tax handling and i can't explain it all in one sentence. This is obvious nonsense as the whole point of accounting is to give shareholders an accurate idea of where the firm stands.
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Nov 3, 2018 05:03
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jit bull transpile posted:they're common but they're not OK and that kind of poo poo is still upsetting sure but leaving a job because of poo poo like this is narcissism. even supposing Kormak was a huge condescending dick the guy is still being an unreasonable professional.
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Nov 3, 2018 05:23
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i vaguely recall something about companies being required to price option grants according to some model (black-scholes, maybe?) which made the accounting look bad so nobody does it anymore
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Nov 3, 2018 05:23
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Symbolic Butt posted:also I'm not sure how someone can work with programming for a while and not grow completely insensitive to the "*gasp* you don't know about X???" reactions from fellow programmers sounds to me like you work with a bunch of shitheads tbh. super disrespectful to do poo poo that like with a colleague. like even if its something super basic like "whats an interface" and the guy was hired as a java dev, it's still not cool. its on the company for fuckin up so bad in hiring that they made an offer to such a completely unfit candidate. and if they somehow managed to bullshit so good that everyone believed their poo poo and it's a total surprise that Java Master Jedi Joe doesn't know what an interface is...move him to sales
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Nov 3, 2018 05:28
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like jit bull transpile said, it's totally a nerd dude thing it bothered me a bit in the beginning but nowadays I mastered my Columbo impersonation
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Nov 3, 2018 05:38
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Symbolic Butt posted:sure but leaving a job because of poo poo like this is narcissism. even supposing Kormak was a huge condescending dick the guy is still being an unreasonable professional. it's not narcissistic to leave an environment that creates emotional stress for you Jesus this forum doesn't understand what narcissism is at all lol
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Nov 3, 2018 05:44
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I meant the vulnerable narcissism kind, but let's not turn this into discussing the DSM
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Nov 3, 2018 05:47
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none of us but kormak were participants in the actual events. we don't know how fuckin bad he hurt that guy, or whether that fellow's complaints were reasonable my heart goes out to kormak because he admits that there is a possibility that the complainer's issues are real. that's hard. taking a real accounting of your own behavior is painful maybe the complaints are baseless. maybe kormak will change in the future. both of these things can be true.
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Nov 3, 2018 06:13
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you most horrible interpersonal fuckups are also your best learning opportunities normally when you gently caress up real bad, nobody tells you. having someone quit and mention you by name is an opportunity to learn the hard lessons that are otherwise unavailable
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Nov 3, 2018 06:14
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you most horrible interpersonal fuckups are also your best learning opportunities I endorse these posts
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Nov 3, 2018 06:23
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Every single manager will at some point face a meltdown by their report, either directly to their face or indirectly to your boss. It's a thing that happens occasionally (hopefully not too often) and is the result of you physically not being able to perfectly meet the needs of every individual person who relies on you. Sometimes you can learn from it and resolve the issue, and sometimes you can't and where the only reasonable option is for them to move on. It's important to know the difference though and not get too bummed out about it.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jesus christ Sounds like your shoes are not nice enough.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jesus christ i'm still not really sure how this happened, but when the recruiter asked me for a first number, i said something like 170k base. my other offer at the time was 10k lower, and that's already more money than i know what to do with. then HE counter-offered with 180k base, 50k signing. a couple days later i accepted the offer. he calls back the next day and says he was able to get me 5k more base and 30k more signing. god bless that guy
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Symbolic Butt posted:also I'm not sure how someone can work with programming for a while and not grow completely insensitive to the "*gasp* you don't know about X???" reactions from fellow programmers career cops absolutely drive me insane idgaf whether you care what i do or don't know let me do my job and if i can't then i'll either get termed or move on
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Pie Colony posted:i'm still not really sure how this happened, but when the recruiter asked me for a first number, i said something like 170k base. my other offer at the time was 10k lower, and that's already more money than i know what to do with. then HE counter-offered with 180k base, 50k signing. a couple days later i accepted the offer. he calls back the next day and says he was able to get me 5k more base and 30k more signing. god bless that guy that guy is the worst negotiator ever
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Fiedler posted:that guy is the worst negotiator ever there are recruiters who consider themselves to work for the recruited, not the company lol tho (its cuz they sometimes get a commission based on your salary)
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Pie Colony posted:i'm still not really sure how this happened, but when the recruiter asked me for a first number, i said something like 170k base. my other offer at the time was 10k lower, and that's already more money than i know what to do with. then HE counter-offered with 180k base, 50k signing. a couple days later i accepted the offer. he calls back the next day and says he was able to get me 5k more base and 30k more signing. god bless that guy a.... good recruiter??? Hope the work is as sweet as the pay.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:there are recruiters who consider themselves to work for the recruited, not the company i was gonna say there had to be a catch there, but if the catch is just a percentage commission i ain't gonna complain
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Fiedler posted:that guy is the worst negotiator ever Don’t recruiters get a % of the hired persons salary?
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yeah usually in the range of 15-30%, which is only paid if the candidate stays for a certain period (six months or so).
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Nov 3, 2018 23:37
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Yes, but the incentive to fight for more salary for the programmer is kinda low, as they only get a small part of it, and they could instead spend the time/political capital on placing another person and get more money that way.
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Xarn posted:Yes, but the incentive to fight for more salary for the programmer is kinda low, as they only get a small part of it, and they could instead spend the time/political capital on placing another person and get more money that way. if they know the company is willing to pay way more than what the candidate asks for there's no reason for them to lowball the candidate. recruiters suck but they're not idiots
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Symbolic Butt posted:my favorite one was how this one dude I worked with made a huge stink because I never heard of ACO before "oh, uh, yeah, I've heard of brute forcing a solution - why'd they rename it?"
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back in june I applied for a data engineer/software developer position. it was the second interview and in the middle of it the interviewer asked me about my experience with data cubes and I answered something like "kinda shallow tbh, I mostly read about it" and he acted absolutely indignant for wasting his time lol I mean, the job posting did not say anything specific about data cubes, nor my resume geez
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since you mention it: obviously context is required but is there any good strategy for admitting the interviewer's caught you out and you don't know skill/technology X (e.g. it wasn't on your resume or the posting but you were asked anyway--wish that wasn't so common)? more of a social graces skill than an interview skill i suppose, but since i lack both... 
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Interviewers will walk you out of your own wheelhouse on purpose- the correct response is to be up front about the limitations of your existing knowledge, and to show more or less genuine interest in the area if it's critical to the position. Or, well, don't. I mean, if they say "So what do you know about mongodb" and your response is an honest "I haven't and wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole, lol what a bad architecture choice", then maybe it's a good thing you're selecting yourself out of the running for a job that works extensively with mongo.
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