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Did anyone else ever pick up on Tom Clancy's possible "nazi fetish" in some of his books? I was organizing my library and saw my old copy of Rainbow Six and remembered Clancy gushing over his German character being such an absolute unit and looking like an SS recruiting poster. Then that reminded me about Red Storm Rising and how the Germans were holding back the Soviets like it was WWII (OMG they are so brave!) and then there was some other book (one of the later Jack Ryan ones) where it was either Swiss or German soldiers policing Palestine (maybe only Gaza) and it was working so well, and all of these blonde blue-eyed soldiers were so great. I just seem to remember (maybe incorrectly) that he always jumped at the chance to compare modern German soldiers to their WWII equivalents, but in a positive way.
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That whole peace in Israel thing pissed me off so bad because he never explained what the gently caress they did it was just like oh hey here are some vatican gaurds in goofy costumes? IMO worse than the McVeigh wannabes that got built up across 500 pages of Executive Orders and then got busted at a traffic stop without ever interacting with the other characters or the plot at all.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Friendly reminder to keep current politics out of here. D&D and CSPAM are thatway But... her EMALS!
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shame on an IGA posted:That whole peace in Israel thing pissed me off so bad because he never explained what the gently caress they did it was just like oh hey here are some vatican gaurds in goofy costumes? It's been a long time since I've read the book, but as I recall the plan was a neutral third party takes control of the city so neither Jews or Muslims were in charge. Thereby magically solving the problems of Gaza and Jewish settlements in occupied Palestinian Territories.
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Blistex posted:Did anyone else ever pick up on Tom Clancy's possible "nazi fetish" in some of his books? I was organizing my library and saw my old copy of Rainbow Six and remembered Clancy gushing over his German character being such an absolute unit and looking like an SS recruiting poster. Then that reminded me about Red Storm Rising and how the Germans were holding back the Soviets like it was WWII (OMG they are so brave!) and then there was some other book (one of the later Jack Ryan ones) where it was either Swiss or German soldiers policing Palestine (maybe only Gaza) and it was working so well, and all of these blonde blue-eyed soldiers were so great. Jerking off over how great Germans were at holding back the communist tide was pretty boiler plate Cold War BS. About half the blame for the clean Wehrmacht poo poo you see can be laid at the feet of rehabilitating the German army for the cold war, and a big part of that was needing to find a not-awful narrative for how SOME Germans were really good at what they did and did good things in the war. This is the root of where you get all that "they were just fighting against communism for their homeland and didn't get involved with that icky SS death squad poo poo" BS that is the bread and butter of the clean wehrmacht. It also doesn't hurt that we were taking a LOT of poo poo said by the German generals about their own performance totally uncritically .
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Cyrano4747 posted:Jerking off over how great Germans were at holding back the communist tide was pretty boiler plate Cold War BS. About half the blame for the clean Wehrmacht poo poo you see can be laid at the feet of rehabilitating the German army for the cold war, and a big part of that was needing to find a not-awful narrative for how SOME Germans were really good at what they did and did good things in the war. Yeah, I know that a lot of the truth about the Wehrmacht came out much later when scholars started digging on their own. Just wondering if anyone picked up on Clancy's possible fetish, or if I'm reading (pun) too much into it.
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In Red Storm Rising he definitely mentioned some positives about the German army, but also there was one point where they hosed up and left a town open that didn't get evacuated and most of the civilians got owned by the Russians as a result. Never really got the vibe that he was shining them up more than anyone else in particular.
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 quote:An Israeli Air Force F-16I Sufa belonging to the 119 Squadron, also known as “The Bat” Squadron, was damaged at Ramon air base, Israel, on Oct. 31.
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Clancy really never had time to suck off wehraboos, what with all the Saudi apolojism he was gargling 24/7
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Nov 3, 2018 20:37
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Blistex posted:Yeah, I know that a lot of the truth about the Wehrmacht came out much later when scholars started digging on their own. Just wondering if anyone picked up on Clancy's possible fetish, or if I'm reading (pun) too much into it. Yeah, I'm just saying that it's not so much a Clancy thing as a peak Cold Warrior thing.
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Look at that fatty eating from a trough.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Jerking off over how great Germans were at holding back the communist tide was pretty boiler plate Cold War BS. About half the blame for the clean Wehrmacht poo poo you see can be laid at the feet of rehabilitating the German army for the cold war, and a big part of that was needing to find a not-awful narrative for how SOME Germans were really good at what they did and did good things in the war. What's really funny is the massive Ossi shaped hole in the canon of the sort of dudes that whack off to Prussian military prowess online. Guess it doesn't count if they're commies.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It also doesn't hurt that we were taking a LOT of poo poo said by the German generals about their own performance totally uncritically . Also, overstating German strength was good for Allied egos.
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For those that want more tales of submarines on fire, Have the CIA's account of the Komsomolets Disaster
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I'm glad I stopped the reading the books and watching the movies at "Hunt for Red October"
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howe_sam posted:It's been a long time since I've read the book, but as I recall the plan was a neutral third party takes control of the city so neither Jews or Muslims were in charge. Thereby magically solving the problems of Gaza and Jewish settlements in occupied Palestinian Territories. It was a council of three religious leaders representing Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, iirc. The early Jack Ryan books were solid. The later ones...ugh. 15 year old me loved it all, though.
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Godholio posted:It was a council of three religious leaders representing Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, iirc. Ah, the Lebanon solution, then.
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mlmp08 posted:Ah, the Lebanon solution, then. I was thinking Van Halen.
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RandomPauI posted:I'm glad I stopped the reading the books and watching the movies at "Hunt for Red October" There was the *potential* for a good movie in "Sum of All Fears," but they hosed it up. Great cast, completely wasted because Affleck tried to 'overplay' Jack Ryan in the hopes of scoring a franchise. Oh well, there's always watching the scene where Baltimore gets nuked over and over and over again.  And Clancy's slavish devotion to Gary Stu-ing Jack Ryan is nothing compared to Stephen Coonts' love affair with Jake Grafton. I didn't bother reading any more after "The Intruders."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There was the *potential* for a good movie in "Sum of All Fears," but they hosed it up. Great cast, completely wasted because Affleck tried to 'overplay' Jack Ryan in the hopes of scoring a franchise. Oh well, there's always watching the scene where Baltimore gets nuked over and over and over again. Here you go, the only 3 minutes of that movie worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-xXoIAAnM It's also a great little time capsule. Flip phones and cigarette machines.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Here you go, the only 3 minutes of that movie worth watching. There's an interesting fuckup in that scene, too - you see the flash of the detonation from the weapon on the television screen showing the game *before* you see the flash and blast wave blow in the window in the hospital. Pretty sure the transmission delay (stadium > national network > affiliate stations) would have added at least two seconds to 'being nearby,' so seeing the flash first on the television is  .
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's an interesting fuckup in that scene, too - you see the flash of the detonation from the weapon on the television screen showing the game *before* you see the flash and blast wave blow in the window in the hospital. Pretty sure the transmission delay (stadium > national network > affiliate stations) would have added at least two seconds to 'being nearby,' so seeing the flash first on the television is Hah poo poo you're right. I never noticed that.
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I remember watching the Sum of All Fears and thinking it's a good movie if you cut out all the Jack Ryan bits, like lets cut away from this political standoff so Ben Afflick can fight in a dripping chain warehouse
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Nebakenezzer posted:I remember watching the Sum of All Fears and thinking it's a good movie if you cut out all the Jack Ryan bits, like lets cut away from this political standoff so Ben Afflick can fight in a dripping chain warehouse Liev Schrieber's character deserved more screen time than he got.
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I always wanted a Red Storm Rising movie that did the combat scenes well but you just know we’d get something like Pearl Harbor w/r/t the plot. No thanks.
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Clancey hated you if you were Asian. I was basically reading The Bear and the Dragon just to hate it after about the third way point. I think House of Cards did something similar as well for the I-P conflict, had the Russians and Americans take turns peace keeping the Golan Heights.
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Mazz posted:I always wanted a Red Storm Rising movie that did the combat scenes well but you just know we’d get something like Pearl Harbor w/r/t the plot. No thanks. Hey, don't you want to see how Major Nakamura gets left for dead only for her to show up again fighting the Russians in Siberia only now instead of a fighter jet she's flying a b-52?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Clancey hated you if you were Asian. I was basically reading The Bear and the Dragon just to hate it after about the third way point. My first and last Time Clancy book was Debt of Honor. I got about halfway through it before the Japanese caricatures got too much for me.
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Everything after Cardinal is pretty much crap.
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Murgos posted:Everything after Cardinal is pretty much crap. Yeah, and it went downhill fast. I remember reading Red October and Red Storm Rising a bunch at like 8 years old. When I was 12 I read Debt of Honor at my grandparent's place and thought it was utter garbage and couldn't believe it was the same author. Then again Red Storm Rising had the "romance" bit in Iceland and that already felt kinda creepy.
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Don Gato posted:My first and last Time Clancy book was Debt of Honor. I got about halfway through it before the Japanese caricatures got too much for me. Nice job picking the absolute worst one.
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Godholio posted:Nice job picking the absolute worst one. Every single one after it was worse than the last
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bewbies posted:man it takes some big balls to shoot a beam rider at an attack helo
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