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fspades posted:what are the odds that their "internal communications network" is a rarely used app that instantly gives away whoever has it installed on their phone as a spook? The story of the PRC devastating the CIA's attempt to start a spy ring in China was pretty funny. They stored all their contact info and dossiers on a centralized server.
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fspades posted:what are the odds that their "internal communications network" is a rarely used app that instantly gives away whoever has it installed on their phone as a spook? They don't say it explicitly, but it was absolutely some random app that looks totally innocuous, probably an actually functional but boring and derivative game of some kind, so it would look totally normal for it to be on a phone, and even for it to be open. But as soon as one spy gets caught and gives up that they all communicate using Bubble Bobble 2: The Legend of Bobble's Gold, it's trivial to check everyone's phones or snoop the network to see who's phones are sending data to the same sites or IPs and roll up the whole drat network.
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Azathoth posted:They don't say it explicitly, but it was absolutely some random app that looks totally innocuous, probably an actually functional but boring and derivative game of some kind, so it would look totally normal for it to be on a phone, and even for it to be open. This reminds me of Gulenists in Turkey using a messaging app they themselves developed for Gulenist business, except, as a gently caress you to everyone else I guess, many other unrelated apps were communicating with its server for some goddamn reason. And so, many innocent people who downloaded Your Daily Quran Quotes and such were arrested in dawn raids without them knowing what the gently caress was happening.
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etalian posted:The story of the PRC devastating the CIA's attempt to start a spy ring in China was pretty funny. Got any more info about this?
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fspades posted:This reminds me of Gulenists in Turkey using a messaging app they themselves developed for Gulenist business, except, as a gently caress you to everyone else I guess, many other unrelated apps were communicating with its server for some goddamn reason. And so, many innocent people who downloaded Your Daily Quran Quotes and such were arrested in dawn raids without them knowing what the gently caress was happening. This was probably intentional on the part of the app developers, to try to obfuscate the purpose of the traffic from the messaging app. That is, when trying to keep communication secret, the problem isn't just using strong encryption so the messages can't be intercepted and read, but also disguising the very existence of the messages in the first place. Hiding messaging traffic in a sea of otherwise normal data that has legitimate purpose is a pretty basic technique, though it is easier said than done, particularly when the adversary has the ability to see any and all traffic on any ISP, which I'm just gonna assume Erdogan has the ability to do. The thought process was almost certainly that their traffic would be obscured and that the government would either be unwilling or unable to arrest everyone who had an app that communicated with that server. Obviously wrong, in retrospect, but I can see how and why they would try it.
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Fitting because it's likely 1989 was the last year trump's brain worked.
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More info about the Navy SEAL death squad. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/10/23/second-seal-arrested-in-war-crimes-probe/ They took part in bladed executions and shot non-combatant men and women for sport. More than a dozen are now charged.
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HorrificExistence posted:More info about the Navy SEAL death squad. Can't wait for this episode on CBS's Navy Seals
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Zombiepop posted:Got any more info about this? Pro-click https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-found-cia-spies-leak-2018-8 quote:A firewall used by the CIA to communicate with its spies in China compromised their identities and contributed to their executions by the Chinese government, several current and former intelligence officials told Foreign Policy magazine in a report published Wednesday.
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REVERSAL https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1060193577861595136 Josh Landis retweeted this as legit, and he tends to be alright. Even if it isn't it's still an entertaining thread.
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Legit question, what the gently caress is Turkey's endgame here? I haven't been paying as close attention as I should, and the last time I followed closely was paying serious attention was during the fight over Raqqa. Back then, it looked like the Kurds had given up on winning an independent state and were pursuing expanded rights in a federal model, which still(?) looks like their goal. Isn't any escalation by Turkey against the Kurds, even if they manage to win, just gonna get them stomped by Assad and the Russians once they get done with the remaining rebels?
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nothing less than a new ottoman empire!
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Azathoth posted:Legit question, what the gently caress is Turkey's endgame here? Their game was to ride on Erdogan's popularity in the Arab world and establishing Turkey friendly regimes in their quest to neo-Ottomania. The former pm and foreign minister Davutoglu wrote a book about it. Then Russia took a big dump on that and they have been on a tailspin ever since. Bombing KCK affiliates is always fun I guess.
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Do they think they're gonna be able to keep territory in northern Syria? Note, not asking if they will, just whether they think they will.
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Azathoth posted:Do they think they're gonna be able to keep territory in northern Syria? No. The objective is to prop up Turkey friendly rebels in Syria, and even if that eventually fails, hey, no PYD governed territory in northern Syria! Turkey can get along with Assad eventually, but a KCK affiliated statelet right on the border, even if semi-autonomous, is a major loving problem.
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Thanks for the response, I know that Turkey is deathly afraid of an independent Kurdish state, even one nominally under Syria. I guess I'm just questioning how they think they can meaningfully influence what the post-war Syrian government does with regard to Kurdish autonomy. Maybe I'm overestimating the Kurdish position or underestimating Turkey's, but it seems like Assad and the Kurds will likely come to some kind of agreement for limited autonomy within Syria once the dust settles, and if that does come to pass, it doesn't strike me that Assad would particularly fear Turkey militarily.
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It's not like there isn't a recent history of Turkey squatting on land in northwest Syria and plugging their ears until it's eventually considered theirs.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:It's not like there isn't a recent history of Turkey squatting on land in northwest Syria and plugging their ears until it's eventually considered theirs. They didn't even need that much effort, because France literally gave the land to them as a bribe so they wouldn't join the Nazis. Azathoth posted:Do they think they're gonna be able to keep territory in northern Syria? Turkey dug a massive hole for itself because they thought that they could exploit the chaos in Syria to destroy the Kurds, which is why they kept supporting ISIS all the way up until the YPG closed the border. They wanted the rebels to win generally because they also wanted an Islamist government in Syria that would be friendly and indebted to the Turkish government. So now they've got all these pet rebel groups that are psychotically right wing Islamist sitting across the border and threatening to stream into Turkey if the Syrian government ever pushes them out. So right now the Turkish plan is stalling for time while they figure out how to get rid of all these psychos that are guaranteed to turn on a Turkish government they'll see as stabbing them in the back. Attacking Kurdish territory at this point is just a straight campaign of ethnic cleansing, so that they can resettle conquered areas with Syrian refugees and Islamists.
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Ah, that makes a lot more sense nw. I was misunderstanding the dynamic between Turkey and the rebel groups they're supporting (or whatever you want to call it).
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Azathoth posted:Maybe I'm overestimating the Kurdish position or underestimating Turkey's, but it seems like Assad and the Kurds will likely come to some kind of agreement for limited autonomy within Syria once the dust settles, and if that does come to pass, it doesn't strike me that Assad would particularly fear Turkey militarily. Assad definitely can't take territory from the Turkish military with his own forces. If the US leaves before a deal is made I think you would see a lot of northern Syria become Turkey, especially if Turkey is allowed to freely use air power like they were in Afrin. A deal that incorporates Rojava back into Syria in exchange for more Kurdish autonomy would be the ideal though, hopefully that's what happens. Giving the Kurds more autonomy is extremely unpopular among some pro Assad types though https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/968774004696690688?s=19
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Flavahbeast posted:Assad definitely can't take territory from the Turkish military with his own forces. If the US leaves before a deal is made I think you would see a lot of northern Syria become Turkey, especially if Turkey is allowed to freely use air power like they were in Afrin. I see. I should point out that I wasn't implying it would be just Assad and whatever Russian backing he gets against Turkey, but that Assad would strike a deal with the Kurds to fight Turkey together, where I don't see a reasonable path to victory for Turkey. From a Kurdish perspective, it's hard to imagine a worse scenario than with Rojava ending up under Turkish control, regardless of whether Assad can be trusted to honor any deal.
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this is by a recent former british foreign secretary who helped ensure a british citizen was locked up in iran for spying and then refused to apologise or do anything at all to try and help get her out https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1060606765186932737
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Atrocious Joe posted:REVERSAL MBS hoping this will free him from the curse of Assad, book it
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Here's a story about the lighter, wackier side of the Saudi surveillance apparatus.In online ruse, fake journalists tried to hack Saudi critic posted:Hackers impersonating journalists tried to intercept the communications of a prominent Saudi opposition figure in Washington, The Associated Press has found. Tanya Stalin is the best catfish name I've ever heard.
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'Entire Families Wiped Out': U.S. Airstrikes Killed Many Civilians In Syria Nothing much to say here, just sad to see Raqqa continue to get blown into rubble. Those civilians can't catch a break. quote:Around 80% of Raqqa had been left "uninhabitable" after the battle, according to the UN.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Here's a story about the lighter, wackier side of the Saudi surveillance apparatus. lmao
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good news https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1061270336635916289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw "We have decided, President Trump and I, to work on achieving more stability in the Middle East, which will have a positive effects on the price of oil."
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Kurtofan posted:good news lmfao it's loving epic how they dropped the pretense 
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