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Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009
So what are your guys favorite sprite based fps games? Looking for ones I should play next.
fwiw:
Doom is my favorite overall, and for enemies
Duke 3d I like most for the levels (excluding episode 2 space levels)
Blood is my favorite for weapons

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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Bushmaori posted:

So what are your guys favorite sprite based fps games? Looking for ones I should play next.
fwiw:

Comedy option.

I enjoyed Delta Force way back when. Voxel life! I’m tempted to see how well it holds up today.

Gloomy Rube
Mar 4, 2008



Even though it's still super short because it's the demo, Ion Maiden is extremely good for what there is.

If you decide to try out wolf 3d, I recommend skipping straight to Spear of Destiny, since the level design is much more interesting in it compared to the original game. Blake Stone is a good alternative, as well.

Rise of the Triad is fun, but the level design is very hit or miss.

My favorite sprite FPS is a hypothetical version of Duke 3d with crushing turned off :v:

Otherwise, I'd be split between Heretic and Hexen, probably Hexen but it's not popular for its cross-map switch hunts (but I like switch hunts)

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah play Hexen with a guide or you probably won’t make it to the end.

Tim Thomas
Feb 12, 2008
breakdancin the night away
blake stone: planet strike had some loving fabulous weapons, not to mention some bananas enemy types

i'm imagining a world where a 3rd blake stone was built on the duke engine, poo poo would have owned

edit: delta force was way ahead of its time and a blast and also hell of stupid due to some really fuckin insanely dumb ai; it was like dumb volumetric hidden and dangerous, or just volumetric project igi since that game was also touched in the head

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
I need to finish Planet Strike, but Blake Stone is awesome and I wish we'd get a new one. Or a really good mod even.

zindryr
Dec 13, 2004
Nothing

Barudak posted:

I hope youre using a version of the specialists before they disabled superjump by default because that killed it for anyone who wasnt roleplaying.

We're using 3.0, which actually has it disabled for the most part. In my quick check through of a number of the maps, it appears to be on a map by map basis though. I do have a number of custom maps which might or might not have it enabled. Do you know if there's a server setting I can flip to try to make it on by default because you're right, we should definitely have that going normally.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

juggalo baby coffin posted:

Amid Evil is actually really good, it turns out. It took me a while to get into, i wasnt a huge fan of the first episode, but the next two episodes are great and the weapons are good. i'm on the aztec temple episode now and its great.

Amid Evil is fantastic. I actually just started the episode they put out a month or two ago "The Forges" last night. gently caress those rolling spike balls.

I remember some goons on here saying that the enemy AI and weapon feel were pretty bleh when it came out, but they fixed that up pretty quick. I really love the level design and environments that you go through in it.

Joe the Strummer
Jun 14, 2012

Man I'd love to play The Specialists tonight, but i gotta spend time with my family like a chump. Hope you guys have tons of fun playing it though :)

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Comedy option.

I enjoyed Delta Force way back when. Voxel life! I’m tempted to see how well it holds up today.

I still like that Black Hawk Down game

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Plan Z posted:

I still like that Black Hawk Down game
Until you go and replay it and remember the awful save system.

BaconCopter
Feb 13, 2008

:coolfish:

:coolfish:
I just found my Powerslave EX files, never beat it so I gotta give it a 2nd try. I really hope there is an official port at some point.

juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Amid Evil is fantastic. I actually just started the episode they put out a month or two ago "The Forges" last night. gently caress those rolling spike balls.

I remember some goons on here saying that the enemy AI and weapon feel were pretty bleh when it came out, but they fixed that up pretty quick. I really love the level design and environments that you go through in it.

the first episode seemed like it had problems with the enemies bee-lining to you, and with the enemies being kinda samey, but the rest dont suffer that problem really

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Casimir Radon posted:

Until you go and replay it and remember the awful save system.

Not so much that as there there are just some aggressively boring missions early on.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

juggalo baby coffin posted:

the first episode seemed like it had problems with the enemies bee-lining to you, and with the enemies being kinda samey, but the rest dont suffer that problem really

The enemies doing nothing but running straight at you constantly were "fixed (improved upon) as part of a big AI pass they did a few months ago. It wasn't really episode based, pretty much all the enemies in every episode did it until they reworked it.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

zindryr posted:

We're using 3.0, which actually has it disabled for the most part. In my quick check through of a number of the maps, it appears to be on a map by map basis though. I do have a number of custom maps which might or might not have it enabled. Do you know if there's a server setting I can flip to try to make it on by default because you're right, we should definitely have that going normally.

As I recall that is non changeable even at server level, with maps or hacking it required, and the only reason I remember that is because that one change killed the game overnight.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
Anyone actually play Total Chaos yet? It's obviously very impressive, but videos I watched of the earlier version didn't make it look all that fun.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Oh, I didn't know it came out. I guess it slipped past me that there was a release date in that trailer that came out a while back. I'll try it!

edit: Also, to the person a while back who asked why you need the official doom 2 wad to play it, the author is apparently working on stripping it so that it's not necessary anymore. So that's cool.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 5, 2018

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
I can't get bloodgdx to properly full screen for me. :saddowns: A little help, please?

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

The enemies doing nothing but running straight at you constantly were "fixed (improved upon) as part of a big AI pass they did a few months ago. It wasn't really episode based, pretty much all the enemies in every episode did it until they reworked it.

Yup, this.

In my opinion, Amid Evil would be garbage (pretty garbage, but garbage nonetheless) if it weren't for the AI adjustments they made a while back. At higher difficulties, every fight devolved into you backpeddaling in circles while kiting everything around until you could kill it to death.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Bushmaori posted:

So what are your guys favorite sprite based fps games? Looking for ones I should play next.
fwiw:
Doom is my favorite overall, and for enemies
Duke 3d I like most for the levels (excluding episode 2 space levels)
Blood is my favorite for weapons

You know, a lot of people say this, and I get it; space ships and stations aren't nearly as relatable as going into a bookstore or a movie theatre, or bathroom. And full disclosure, I used to say the same thing as you did here. But now, I have to admit, the more I played of them, the more I liked them. I think the only one I really didn't like was the first one. After that, I feel they get much better, much more creative.

Oddly enough, they kind of remind me of Doom's level design.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



I disliked the "infection"/"parasite" space levels in Duke 3D, but thought the rest were interesting. But I haven't played Duke in many years so I don't know how I feel about them today.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

The worst level in Duke 3D is the post office stage in one of the expansions because I was stuck on it for days.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I used to like Duke more than Doom. Now they've swapped. Doom has better weapons and gunplay, and a significantly better mod community. It's just so rare for cool new stuff to come out for Duke, and a monthly occurrence with Doom.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

The thing I hate about Duke is the overabundance of hitscan bullet sponges.

Doom has the perfect balance.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

The thing I hate about Duke is the overabundance of hitscan bullet sponges.

Doom has the perfect balance.
Yes, and it really needs a super gun. Unreal has this problem to; occasionally I want to use a weapon that can obliterate nearly any enemy instantly to take a break from juggling all the situational weapons.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

david_a posted:

Yes, and it really needs a super gun. Unreal has this problem to; occasionally I want to use a weapon that can obliterate nearly any enemy instantly to take a break from juggling all the situational weapons.

If the pig cops died with one shotgun blast instead of 2, and the lizardmen were a bit weaker, with less damaging attacks, I think it would be immensely better overall.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM
Every enemy in Duke 3D can kill you extremely quickly if you're not on top of your poo poo 100% of the time. In DOOM, it's like they chip your health off. In Duke, it's huge chunks and then you're dead.

E: I like it.

Thyrork
Apr 21, 2010

"COME PLAY MECHS M'LANCER."

Or at least use Retrograde Mini's to make cool mechs and fantasy stuff.

:awesomelon:
Slippery Tilde
Blood always seemed more unfair then Duke in that regard. Shadow Warrior too.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I too am a fan of these games being discussed here. :hai:

Catching up on the thread, cool that there's a Quake engine game published by 3DR coming, I dig.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Go back to 1997 and tell your old self that 3DRealms is going to give up on Duke and publish a Quake engine game instead. Watch your head explode.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



It would be funny if it had parts of the first Duke Nukem Forever on quake engine.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Arivia posted:

Go back to 1997 and tell your old self that 3DRealms is going to give up on Duke and publish a Quake engine game instead. Watch your head explode.

I would have said, "What's Duke Nukem?"

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
I never really had an issue with Episode 2 of Duke3D. They're not the best, but they're also not some of the Episode 4 levels like Derelict. That one was a miserable slog.

Casimir Radon posted:

I used to like Duke more than Doom. Now they've swapped. Doom has better weapons and gunplay, and a significantly better mod community. It's just so rare for cool new stuff to come out for Duke, and a monthly occurrence with Doom.

I feel like Duke map makers aren't quite as good at making their maps flow as I'd necessarily like. Playing the Urban Map Pack from the big collection, far more often than I'd like I spend a lot of time wandering around wondering what little tiny thing I missed that I need to do to progress. Still plenty of good poo poo in there, though.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
I'm gonna be streaming the full release of Total Chaos here if anyone would like to watch me go through it blind. It looks pretty cool!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
If you're afraid of spiders, do not play Total Chaos. It's very bad in that regard.

My verdict is that it's really fun! Tense, atmospheric, and it really feels like a struggle to survive with the difficulty and number of plates you gotta spin with radiation/hunger/bleeding. The combat isn't very tedious, enemies have a bit too much health for how many there are but attacking is weighty and satisfying. Lots of different options for melee too. The inventory management is a bit clunky but it's a technological marvel that it works as well as it does. The mod is gorgeous and well-detailed, graphics that look sharp and are almost entirely completely custom. I think I saw like... 1 texture from Blood. I really recommend you play it if you like horror mods or total conversions because it is about as far from Doom as you can get.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Nov 6, 2018

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
I think I'm going to try to make a themed mini-wad.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

CJacobs posted:

If you're afraid of spiders, do not play Total Chaos. It's very bad in that regard.

My verdict is that it's really fun! Tense, atmospheric, and it really feels like a struggle to survive with the difficulty and number of plates you gotta spin with radiation/hunger/bleeding. The combat isn't very tedious, enemies have a bit too much health for how many there are but attacking is weighty and satisfying. Lots of different options for melee too. The inventory management is a bit clunky but it's a technological marvel that it works as well as it does. The mod is gorgeous and well-detailed, graphics that look sharp and are almost entirely completely custom. I think I saw like... 1 texture from Blood. I really recommend you play it if you like horror mods or total conversions because it is about as far from Doom as you can get.

Few questions: How satisfying does melee feel and how quickly do weapons degrade? What's the save system like? Finally, I see there's crafting; is there too much crafting?

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Melee combat is good! You can spam a three-hit combo with your normal attack or hold down the alt-fire for a charge attack that does more damage the more stamina you use. Blood and gribbly bits fly everywhere when you hit enemies and they react nicely to being smacked around with animations and stuff. Crafting is interesting, it's more for creating new items from materials than combining your already existing items to make more powerful ones. I didn't really ever find it necessary but I can see the applications for it. You can do stuff like cook food to make it heal and remove more hunger, make emergency weapons from scrap metal, and add alcohol to rags to make blood clotting bandages. There are a TON of utility items and all of them heal a lot of one bar but do a little damage to another bar, so there's a checks and balances kind of thing to keep yourself in top condition. It's very cool.

Also, there is no save system, it's Doom. You can save whenever you want. The game does auto-save when you do something important though.

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Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.
are nightdive really doing a blood remaster? who has the insider info!?

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