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Applewhite posted:Dismissing an entire work of literature because it features a prominently distasteful aspect? I thought the analogy apt. i want you to look me in the eye and tell me that you think the use of the word "friend of the family" in huckleberry finn, a work written in the late 19th century and deeply enmeshed in and engaged with the racial politics of its time, is comparable to sexy kids in the pseudomedieval pseudoceltic fantasy series from 1990
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i want you to look me in the eye and tell me that you think the use of the word "friend of the family" in huckleberry finn, a work written in the late 19th century and deeply enmeshed in and engaged with the racial politics of its time, is comparable to sexy kids in the pseudomedieval pseudoceltic fantasy series from 1990 I can’t and Getsuya posted:It’s a bad hill to die on. So I won’t.
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I will amend my recommendation of Jack Vance’s Lyonesse based on what is extremely valid criticism of some of its aspects. I recommend the Lyonesse Trilogy to complentionist fans of the fantasy genre in the same spirit I recommend animation historians watch unedited classic cartoons from Warner Bros and Tex Avery despite the fact those cartoons contain disgusting racial caricatures that should not have been acceptable even in the time they were made. It is best read with a degree of academic detachment.
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Applewhite posted:I will amend my recommendation of Jack Vance’s Lyonesse based on what is extremely valid criticism of some of its aspects. You're welcome 
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're welcome Before I even check the report queue on the mess above, aren't you actually a Jack Vance fan? I remember you saying positive things about him before.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Before I even check the report queue on the mess above, aren't you actually a Jack Vance fan? I remember you saying positive things about him before. I don't recall praising Lyonesse.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I don't recall praising Lyonesse. quote:Navarth had become obsessed. He roved the garden, morose, dissatisfied, looking this way and that. He took no joy in the beauty of the garden and went so far as to sneer at Viole Falushe’s arrangements. “There is no novelty here; the pleasures are banal. There are no exhilarations, no staggering insights, no sublime sweep of mind. All is either gross or maudlin—the gratification of gut and gland.”
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You do realize that Demon Princes and the Lyonesse Trilogy are different books, right?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You do realize that Demon Princes and the Lyonesse Trilogy are different books, right? Ehh, Vance's style, characters, and dialogue are so highly mannered that almost all of his stuff is interchangeable :P.. If you don't think people should read Lyonesse, but you still think they should read Vance, which Vance would you suggest they read? That said, though, since now I'm contributing to the derail myself, I'll just share this general reminder: please everyone remember this is the recommendation thread, not the thread for extended discussions or debates. quote:Specific guidelines for everyone else: It's fine to say things like "hey, people might not like that book actually, because [reasons]," but too much back and forth clogs up the thread and gets in the way of the suggestion flow. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 4, 2018 |
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I recommend Caligula: Divine Carnage, an entertaining if a bit exaggerated pop history book.
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Applewhite posted:Unfortunately there is some of that -Joe Paterno
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Somebody tell me about amazing true crime novels / story collections. Or fictional crime, either or. I want good writing and interesting/horrible events to read about.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Somebody tell me about amazing true crime novels / story collections. Or fictional crime, either or. I want good writing and interesting/horrible events to read about. Tangential to this, is there a good book (or good books) about art forgery in English? I've read pretty much all there is about it in Finnish but it's pretty much introductory stuff.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Tangential to this, is there a good book (or good books) about art forgery in English? I've read pretty much all there is about it in Finnish but it's pretty much introductory stuff. There's one really neat biography of an art forger whose author then turned around afterwards and tried to become a literary forger: quote:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's one really neat biography of an art forger whose author then turned around afterwards and tried to become a literary forger: Ohhh I know all* about De Hory and this I am going to look more into. Thank you very much  *) All that was in the last book I read. e: Oh I should've remembered him from the movie as well.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Tangential to this, is there a good book (or good books) about art forgery in English? I've read pretty much all there is about it in Finnish but it's pretty much introductory stuff. The Cornish Trilogy (Rebel Angels, What's Bred in the Bone, Lyre of Orpheus) by Robertson Davies. Unless you are looking more for history on the subject, in which case vOv
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StrixNebulosa posted:Somebody tell me about amazing true crime novels / story collections. Or fictional crime, either or. I want good writing and interesting/horrible events to read about. The Maul and the pear tree is a true crime novel by mystery writer P.D. James and might be what you are after.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Somebody tell me about amazing true crime novels / story collections. Or fictional crime, either or. I want good writing and interesting/horrible events to read about. the only good true crime book is in cold blood
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learnincurve posted:The Maul and the pear tree is a true crime novel by mystery writer P.D. James and might be what you are after. Radio Spiricom posted:the only good true crime book is in cold blood Two books I haven't read, and seem cool, and my library has 'em! Thank you!
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Killers of the Flower Moon Notes on a Kidnapping The Fact of a Body The Executioner's Song - This one owns the hardest read this or be a bitch forever
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Killers of the Flower Moon  
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two questions why does your library still use dewey decimal system like a goddamn peasant why does your library have a rudimentary understanding of narrative nonfiction
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Mel Mudkiper posted:two questions 1) I actually don't know about any newer systems? 2) Welcome to the Northern Country Library System, 65 libraries in upstate New York, most of them rural and one of them a prison. This is not the cutting edge of library tech.
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StrixNebulosa posted:1) I actually don't know about any newer systems? LCC or bust
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Dewey or die. I worked as a book shelver in an Indiana library though so the peasant assessment isn't far off.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Somebody tell me about amazing true crime novels / story collections. Or fictional crime, either or. I want good writing and interesting/horrible events to read about. The presentation might not be exactly what you're looking for, but Starr's The Killer of Little Shepherds is great. Tangential, but the My Favorite Murder podcast is a lot of fun and I always turn down whatever I'm doing when my lady puts it on. VVV Fair enough; half the fun is that one of the women sounds just like Gina from Brooklyn 99, so I just imagine it's her talking. funkybottoms fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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funkybottoms posted:The presentation might not be exactly what you're looking for, but Starr's The Killer of Little Shepherds is great. Tangential, but the My Favorite Murder podcast is a lot of fun and I always turn down whatever I'm doing when my lady puts it on. That killer must've hated Mass Effect a lot  I've put it on hold at my library, thank you! I'm afraid I'm going to have to dispute your podcast rec, as that one has just never clicked for me. Thank you for trying, tho! (I prefer Small Town Murders and Casefile.)
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Bilirubin posted:The Cornish Trilogy (Rebel Angels, What's Bred in the Bone, Lyre of Orpheus) by Robertson Davies. Well I don't mind novels about art forgery. However, after BingTMing a plot summary for Rebel Angels I can safely say it's not what I'm looking for. e: Well that was quick. Apparently Rebel Angels and The Rebel Angels are very different things indeed.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well I don't mind novels about art forgery. However, after BingTMing a plot summary for Rebel Angels I can safely say it's not what I'm looking for. Yeah, and teh second of the trilogy is more on point. Fcuk I need to reread these myself
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Any good books for thinking outside the box and increasing creativity?
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Ulio posted:Any good books for thinking outside the box and increasing creativity? https://www.amazon.com/Microdosing-...L70_&dpSrc=srch
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Ulio posted:Any good books for thinking outside the box and increasing creativity? Read more outside of your usual genres and also do more things outside. Getting new experiences helps a ton, imho.
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I spent the longest time convincing one of my daughter that if she wanted to improve her manga then she would have to study and read about classic art, Dadaism, classical composers and so on. Read about the artists who were considered lunatics or visionaries and try and figure out why they were not just copying others and were able to create origional works.
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What about basic sketching and drawing?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:What about basic sketching and drawing? That can teach you to draw, the hardest part is discovering what to draw.
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Still life.
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Most of my crime novels are here, and holy cow are In Cold Blood + The Executioner's Song good. Like, insanely well written and getting creepier as we approach the crime itself. I found myself settling in to watch the second half of the Shining yesterday, and I had to turn it off because I just wanted to read. Which says something, because that movie has been insanely compelling! I had to return Killers of the Flower Moon due to its subject matter, though - I'm not emotionally ready to cope with the kind of racism that would let a serial killer get away with murdering Native Americans. The book itself seemed well-written, but at the moment it's not for me.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Most of my crime novels are here, and holy cow are In Cold Blood + The Executioner's Song good. Like, insanely well written and getting creepier as we approach the crime itself. I found myself settling in to watch the second half of the Shining yesterday, and I had to turn it off because I just wanted to read. Which says something, because that movie has been insanely compelling! quote:"The Executioner's Song" is also the title of a poem by Mailer, published in gently caress You magazine in September 1964 
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Ulio posted:Any good books for thinking outside the box and increasing creativity? "The War of Art" - Pressfield "On writing" - Stephen King They both pretty much say: "Put in your time, everyday. Hone your craft through years of diligent practice, no matter what and the creativity will come on it's own, your job is to be ready to capture / utilize / accept it when it shows up." And in King's case, cocaine. Lots o' cocaine.
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Ulio posted:Any good books for thinking outside the box and increasing creativity? The Art Spirit Art and Artist by Otto Rank Art & Fear
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