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Libluini posted:Just after laughing my rear end off after noticing an empire already suffering from losing planets to both nanite invaders and a machine uprising decided to use a Colossus to blow up their own planets I saw I had played 16+ hours this weekend. My life is already devoured Yeah but at least the fanatic purifiers I've been sharing my southern border with are extinct. Not sure what to do now. I found an ether Drake to the east, but other than that I guess it's time to turtle and tech
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I did AdMech awhile back but played them as a machine intelligence, so not very thematically :/. Still have them saved though. E: Did Ultramar too! That one I did do thematically. 
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Nov 4, 2018 22:01
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Yeah titanic life is one of those events that can go badly (most of the negative outcomes got removed/modified a while back), but if you're prepared it isn't too bad. The upsides when it succeeds are pretty decent, especially with the way war score works (one of the results is you getting some kaiju). That screenshot doesn't look end-of-the-line, with 600 energy you can soak -8 for a while, and you could turn off some labs for extra energy if needed. Are you using a bunch of edicts? Your grabbed space seems small for what you've got in the bank and shipwise, so I'd think maybe you're spending a bit too much influence on early edicts. In general I'll use one round of map the stars but as a new player I'd just leave edicts alone while you're in the initial land-grab phase of expansion.
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Nov 4, 2018 22:04
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Sometimes bad events happen in 4x games. Its pretty standard? oh sure, i get that now. i'm just not usually not much for 4x or strategy games because I get caremad like that when things go seemingly irrevocably wrong anxiety i guess  I'm also thinking of dropping the AdMech conceit until I know the game better and just going full materialist instead of full spiritualist, or even some other empire entirely
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Nov 4, 2018 22:11
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You can't go wrong with just going materialist with a bunch of +mineral ethics/civics and doing the synth route, probably the easiest choice and what I did at first.
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Nov 4, 2018 22:15
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Luminous Cow posted:Yeah but at least the fanatic purifiers I've been sharing my southern border with are extinct. Not sure what to do now. I found an ether Drake to the east, but other than that I guess it's time to turtle and tech Man, that was my plan from the very beginning, until Mr. Dumbass Enslaver Empire ripped open the Gates of HelL and the flood of death fleets then set off multiple galactic wars. Now that things are somewhat back under control, I've literally ran out of time to play. The weekend was too short. Now it's back to work. 
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Nov 4, 2018 22:21
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Also if you go xenophile and/or with the charismatic trait it's pretty easy to make some friends and have defensive pacts, so you won't have to go to war until you're ready for it. When you've got powerful friends you can just stumble around doing whatever and get the hang of thing at your own pace.
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Nov 4, 2018 22:22
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Going with both charismatic and xenophile is basically easy mode. All the xenophobic assholes will still hate you, but everyone else will range between neutral and loving you.
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Nov 4, 2018 22:25
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Ciaphas posted:oh sure, i get that now. i'm just not usually not much for 4x or strategy games because I get caremad like that when things go seemingly irrevocably wrong Here is a setup for big research materialist. I've listed out some options, sort of 'pick your flavor of what you want to focus more on'. Stuff I haven't really gone over (traits mostly) are up to what you are interested in. Fanatic Materialist: -20% robot upkeep, +10% research, living standard option (pop setting) for another +10% research, edict option for another +10% research Militarist: Nice bonus during war. Opens Citizen Service civic (+15% fleet cap, +1 unity on stronghold building), Nationialistic Zeal (-10% claims/war exhaustion). Xenophobe: Cheaper expansion, cheaper war claims. Pacifist: Only really decent if you're wanting to play inward perfection pacifist-materialist-xenophobe. (+20% unity, +25% pop growth, +5% happiness, +10% edict duration, bunch of 'no diplomacy' stuff). Eagletarian: Decent influence gain when you're making factions happy, can't use auto-cratic govts. Opens Beacon of Liberty civic (+15% unity). Take Mechanist for civic #1, this gives you 2 robots at the start, another -5% robot upkeep, and 2 techs (robots and the pre-req, which gives +5% minerals). Robots get +10% mining, but you need to build them manually. This lets you have solid income off your mines even if you stuff your main race with weak intelligent natural engineers. Mining guilds is always a solid option, just a straight +10% minerals, though corporate dominion is fantastic once you're used to it (can build colony ships with energy instead of minerals). If you take hot planets for your homeworld you'll tend to get more energy tiles, cold planets get more minerals, wet planets get more food.
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Nov 4, 2018 23:01
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Here's a thing I've never really figured out despite 200+ hours in this game: Late game, when you're swimming in resources and sectoring everything away, it's not really an issue, but early on I sorta force myself to build the correct building for each tile, upgrading every lab according to the specific scientific resource. Is there a better way to do buildings? Do you guys build agro worlds early on, upgrade labs to whatever you want and whatnot? Build unity/unique buildings wherever and whenever?
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Nov 4, 2018 23:35
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I have a mechanic or theme question: If I want to create an empire that want to hold all manner of aliens as slaves or even have other empires as vassals, should I make them xenophobe or xenophile next to authoritarian. The obvious answer to me was xenophobe, but since I'm actively seeking out other races to join me (even as slaves) it makes me think that is closer to xenophile and that ethos might make things better, but I'm not sure how the factions will react to that.
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Nov 5, 2018 00:08
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Black Griffon posted:Here's a thing I've never really figured out despite 200+ hours in this game: God, LeGuin can't come fast enough. It occurs to me that orbital deposit generation must have been completely rewritten for LeGuin, which is good because it was loving obtuse.
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Nov 5, 2018 00:13
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Bholder posted:I have a mechanic or theme question: I can't wait for LeGuin's new, less slave obsessed authoritarians. Does anyone else think more factions should mean more influence? Not a linear increase, but if one faction means a max influence of 2 maybe two factions should cap out at 2.5 total, 3 at 3 etc. If you actually manage to keep multiple factions happy you should be rewarded for that.
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Nov 5, 2018 00:28
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Splicer posted:God, LeGuin can't come fast enough. I know right. But yeah, what you said makes sense. I'm doing fine either way, but having a more concrete idea about placement streamlines the gameplay and improves automation in my head in a useful way.
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Nov 5, 2018 00:32
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Ciaphas posted:I'm also thinking of dropping the AdMech conceit until I know the game better and just going full materialist instead of full spiritualist, or even some other empire entirely In one of my previous games as materialist humans, I got the (rare) event which unlocks psionics for materialists, and it ended with my leader attaining immortality from the Warp, declaring herself Empress, and my population wanting to make her a god as I desperately tried to maintain materialism as the accepted position in my empire. Thankfully the game doesn't model the Horus Heresy* so the Truth survived. If you want to do that as a materialist: there's a rare anomaly you can find on ocean worlds called "Drops in the Ocean", if you send a scientist with the paranoid trait to research it, they will gain the psionic speciality. You can get a paranoid scientist by random chance when they level up, or you can do the anomaly "Rainbows in the Dark" found in black holes, which makes the scientist studying paranoid. Psionic techs are society techs and roll rarely, however materialists have a fixed zero chance to roll the gateway tech, Psionic Theory, unless they have a psionic expert leading society research. *Though I did feed my home star to an eldritch being from beyond time and space for the sake of love so I guess I kinda birthed Slaanesh.
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Nov 5, 2018 01:02
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Pre-habitats I do mostly the same as above unless playing a bad-boy. Bad boys needs as much production as fast as possible on harder difficulties so unless the tile has ec everything becomes minerals and unity buildings. And in space science is completely skipped in favour of minerals until ec runs out then more ec. Once habitats come about worlds become either ec generators or mineral generators with research being offloaded to habs until late game.
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Nov 5, 2018 01:04
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Black Griffon posted:Here's a thing I've never really figured out despite 200+ hours in this game: My first five planets are usually built according to what's on the tiles, with blank tiles mostly going to labs. When upgrading labs, I go with whatever field currently has the least production to keep them roughly equal. I feel like society tech is rarer in space so my early labs usually are biolabs. There's two exceptions to that, though. If the area I'm starting in is very sparsely populated, or my neighbours are pacifists, I'll rely on mining stations for minerals and energy and try and build as many labs as I possibly can, keeping just enough energy and food to sustain them. That allows me to zoom up the tech tree much faster. The other exception is when I'm planning to do biological ascension. Because genetic templating is done on a planet-level basis, I plan ahead and build mineral worlds, energy worlds, agri worlds right from the start so I can just upgrade the entire planet's production when the time comes. I try to maintain an even-ish ratio early on, with one planet each for food, energy and minerals, and one planet each for physics, society and engineering (so 3 labs planets for every 3 resource planets). That's not always feasible right from the start when you might run low on energy or food and have to put a farm on your science planet or something, but once things stabilise I go back and replace those buildings with the world-appropriate ones. After the first six colonies are done, I start deciding what sort of world I want at the point of founding a new colony by asking questions like "Do I have enough energy or food to sustain a few more planets" and "am I running low on minerals constantly". When I'm doing this I tend to give my planets a name to remind me what they're for early on (e.g. an energy world called Coulomb).
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Nov 5, 2018 01:22
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I'm still a little child, a baby, who plays on low difficulty because the main appeal of the game is the roleplaying. That also lets me gently caress around with impractical ship designs made to look cool beyond anything else. And related to the roleplaying aspect, I'm in that mode where I'm starting new empires after an hour of play because I get new ideas for what I want to play. I've seen two cruisers so far, and one of them was from an anomaly (love getting a ship with twice the fleet power of my actual fleet half an hour into the game). And I've gotta learn to accept that small galaxies are okay too, thousand star realms get tedious after a while. This loving game.
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Nov 5, 2018 01:28
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Reveilled posted:*snip* This is real good, thanks.
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Rynoto posted:Pre-habitats I do mostly the same as above unless playing a bad-boy. Bad boys needs as much production as fast as possible on harder difficulties so unless the tile has ec everything becomes minerals and unity buildings. And in space science is completely skipped in favour of minerals until ec runs out then more ec. I tend to move all my energy production into space, too, and just turn 3/4 planets into massive strip mines with the other 1/4 growing all the food.
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Nov 5, 2018 01:36
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Another quick question, since it seems I have skipped the latest patch cycle is scaling difficulty worth playing with or it comes with issues?
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Nov 5, 2018 02:04
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Bholder posted:Another quick question, since it seems I have skipped the latest patch cycle is scaling difficulty worth playing with or it comes with issues? Scaling difficulty is absolutely awful. It starts the AI with zero bonuses even on the hardest difficulties. And by the time scaling comes in they're completely hosed. If you still want scaling you want the Dynamic Difficulty mod. It has an option for scaling that stacks the bonuses on top of whatever default difficulty you choose. Tons of other great options too.
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Nov 5, 2018 02:29
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So what I did on my current playthrough is did my home planet according to tile, then an energy planet, agriplanet, and then research planets because I am focusing hard on research as nerd aliens. Is this bad? It's working for me so far, but I'm on normal difficulty. This is the first playthrough I've actually stuck with to the point that marauders show up. They stole a bunch of pops I'm purging anyways so it's ok but their fleet was much stronger than both of mine put together. Is that normal?
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Nov 5, 2018 02:57
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It used to be that edicts could be more powerful on single output type planets, but since they removed those then you are better off building to your resource deposits where possible, to maximise your total output, but alternatively you can use planets to tune your production. If you want to output everything then build to your tiles, if you want to increase output of a specific thing, then build that thing. So there is no benefit to building an all farm planet if you also build an all mineral and all energy planet, you would be better off mixing the three based on tile yields.
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Nov 5, 2018 03:00
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If you're using sectors then specializing is still useful for some planet types. You've got several specialized leaders: food, science, slaves, ships. You've also got planetary modifiers which run the entire range of production. If you don't have a planet modifier and no pressing needs then building to tiles and filling blanks with what you need is fine.
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Nov 5, 2018 03:07
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OwlFancier posted:It used to be that edicts could be more powerful on single output type planets, but since they removed those then you are better off building to your resource deposits where possible, to maximise your total output, but alternatively you can use planets to tune your production. Energy Nexuses and Mineral Processing are still planetary, and governors can still have traits which affect tile output (making it advantageous to put those governors in charge of single resource planets). Also modifiers like Good Quality Minerals. Also as mentioned, if you're planning to genemod in traits like thrifty or industrious, it's much easier to do so when you can just mod everyone on one planet to be industrious and everyone on another to be thrifty instead of having to carefully micro pops about to ensure that the thrifty pops are on power plants and the industrious ones on mines.
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Reveilled posted:Energy Nexuses and Mineral Processing are still planetary, and governors can still have traits which affect tile output (making it advantageous to put those governors in charge of single resource planets). Also modifiers like Good Quality Minerals. The processing plants are easy to build on any planet, though yes something like a planetwide +20-50% mineral output is a good reason to make that all mining.
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Yeah I did an energy planet second because I'm always very energy limited in the early game, and I got lucky and found a habitable planet with beltharian stone and quite a few energy tiles. That planet powers my empire now. Then I was very food limited so I made an agriplanet. Then I just kind of took off and now very few other empires are equivalent to me. I wonder just how different the world building in 2.2 will be. Pretty excited to be done with tiles already.
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OwlFancier posted:The processing plants are easy to build on any planet, though yes something like a planetwide +20-50% mineral output is a good reason to make that all mining. Sure, you can build them on any planet, but if you do six mixed planets vs six single resource planets, you've spent twelve tiles in the mixed example to build the boost buildings vs two tiles if you're building a mineral world and an energy world. If you have slavery and need to include the slave processing facility, now you're at eighteen tiles vs five (since that's for food too). Of course you don't necessarily need to build the boosts on every world but that could very well negate the bonus you'd get from following the tiles. But the boosters do cost more than an equivalent normal production building so it doesn't always make sense to build them on smaller planets, unlike when you're focused on one resource. I'm not saying building to the tile bonuses is wrong, but I don't think the tile bonuses make a meaningful difference in production over the advantages from having to only build one of each booster, compounded with governor bonuses to things like research. I think they more or less even out. You're better off just building the way that feels most comfortable to you.
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Luminous Cow posted:So what I did on my current playthrough is did my home planet according to tile, then an energy planet, agriplanet, and then research planets because I am focusing hard on research as nerd aliens. Is this bad? It's working for me so far, but I'm on normal difficulty. To answer the second question, yes, marauders are intended to be very very difficult to beat until you get into midgame.
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Reveilled posted:Sure, you can build them on any planet, but if you do six mixed planets vs six single resource planets, you've spent twelve tiles in the mixed example to build the boost buildings vs two tiles if you're building a mineral world and an energy world. If you have slavery and need to include the slave processing facility, now you're at eighteen tiles vs five (since that's for food too). Of course you don't necessarily need to build the boosts on every world but that could very well negate the bonus you'd get from following the tiles. But the boosters do cost more than an equivalent normal production building so it doesn't always make sense to build them on smaller planets, unlike when you're focused on one resource. I mean there's two booster buildings and you're going to want to build one on most planets, and the booster buildings themselves have +2/+4 output. So you're losing like, what, 3 or so units a month as opposed to putting a normal extractor there at the very endgame or something? Compared to a planet's worth of inherent tile output for that resource at +20%? I don't see how it's ever going to make sense to pave over half a planet's worth of energy output in order to avoid building an energy nexus on two planets instead of one. The energy/mineral boosters have only slightly lower output than their normal mine/power equivalents and they boost all output by 20%, there's no way in hell you're going to lose out by building both on every planet with energy/mineral tiles unless the planet is absolutely tiny. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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The threshold on both buildings is low enough that it really doesn't matter a whole lot if you place it or not; IIRC a planet needs to only be making ~15 minerals before a mineral processing plant is able to replace the output of a mine placed instead and anything after that is just a bonus. Low enough that after the early game it doesn't make a difference. The energy nexus I can't remember the calculation at the moment but because after you finish the Prosperity tree is produces unity you should always build one regardless of what else is on the planet since unity is much harder to produce than energy (and unity can later be used to increase energy production). It won't really matter any more in a few months though so go nuts with them while you still can.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:The threshold on both buildings is low enough that it really doesn't matter a whole lot if you place it or not; IIRC a planet needs to only be making ~15 minerals before a mineral processing plant is able to replace the output of a mine placed instead and anything after that is just a bonus. Low enough that after the early game it doesn't make a difference. The only situation in which an energy nexus or mineral reprocessing plant is not a better use of a tile than a mine or power plant is if you are only going to put a single mine/power plant on the planet, and its not going to be put on a deposit. Or if you're putting a single mine on your capital in the late-game, but don't do that, fill your capital with research labs instead. So basically, always build them.
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The death of tiles cannot come soon enough.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:The death of tiles cannot come soon enough. yeah i'm already finding that poo poo far more arduous than the ship designer actually about to sit down and try again after an entire afternoon playing another addictive numbers game (diablo 3  ), ready for some advanced crimes against sapience gently caress yeah... actually i feel kinda squicky doing the slavery or even caste system thing though, even in RP. like these loving bits and bytes are judging me for my personal morals and ethics. anyone else get that? 
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Nov 5, 2018 06:26
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Then play the Star Trek Humans/Federation types! Or Rogue Servitors and bring happiness and Mandatory Pampering to the galaxy!
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Ciaphas posted:... actually i feel kinda squicky doing the slavery or even caste system thing though, even in RP. like these loving bits and bytes are judging me for my personal morals and ethics. anyone else get that? Totally. I've tried playing fanatic purifiers and it doesn't work for me. Even abstracted and compartmentalized to the absolute extreme, I just do not want to genocide people. That said, back before they changed how the Unbidden worked, I was willing to let them rampage across half the galaxy before stepping in to squish them and recolonize all the planets they'd scoured. We're none of us perfect.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Then play the Star Trek Humans/Federation types! Galaga Galaxian posted:Or Rogue Servitors and bring happiness and Mandatory Pampering to the galaxy!
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Rogue Servitors are the best gimmick. Forcefully spreading ~freedom~ with militant egalitarian xenophiles is also quite fun.
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Rynoto posted:Rogue Servitors are the best gimmick. Forcefully spreading ~freedom~ with militant egalitarian xenophiles is also quite fun. lmao wait is that second one literally the Super Democracy governance of HELLDIVERS, because i am all the hell about that too also does "Rogue Servitor" have a specific meaning besides "happykillbot 2000 species", i can't tell anymore what in this game is a directly named mechanic and what isn't
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