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Wrt the emt prop, I think it pretty much never helps when voters make even the most cursory look at propositions and see "no opposing arguments were submitted against this proposition," as was the case for prop 11.
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Yeah there's some of that but I mean, I went in and voted in person today because I didn't get my ballot in the mail and the drat thing explicity said "reduces corporate liability" in plain black and white on there (because it kind of summarizes in a sentence or two what Yes and No mean for each) and if you can't identify those words and realize that is a bad thing in 2018 you're probably a fuckwit tbh. "Hm yes reduced corporate liability with regards to ambulances, that's good." - an idiot probably
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Nov 7, 2018 07:28
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All the more reason paramedics should unionize and fight this issue in arbitration.
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah there's some of that but I mean, I went in and voted in person today because I didn't get my ballot in the mail and the drat thing explicity said "reduces corporate liability" in plain black and white on there (because it kind of summarizes in a sentence or two what Yes and No mean for each) and if you can't identify those words and realize that is a bad thing in 2018 you're probably a fuckwit tbh. I would be surprised if even 5% of the voting public could explain, using their own words, what "corporate liability" means, and be vaguely correct.
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Panfilo posted:If I fall off my roof putting up Christmas lights I'll be sure my wife gives the EMTs a fruitcake since it might be the only calories they consumed in the last 14 hours Anecdote: I work in a job where I interact with a lot of healthcare and emergency services folks. I see plenty of overweight cops, some tubby firefighters, and even the occasional chubby nurse, but I don't think I've ever seen a fat ambulance crew. For all the credit and bullshit CA gets for being a liberal fortress, we loving hate labor. We're not quite a right-to-work hellhole, but god drat do our laws and culture treat people in all fields and professions like complete rear end.
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Nov 7, 2018 07:32
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motherfucker don't EMTs already have a rough enough deal
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Nov 7, 2018 07:34
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Gary Kreep is down by 16% in the SD judicial election, which is nice. Hope it says that way.
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Skippy McPants posted:Anecdote: I work in a job where I interact with a lot of healthcare and emergency services folks. I see plenty of overweight cops, some tubby firefighters, and even the occasional chubby nurse, but I don't think I've ever seen a fat ambulance crew. Worked in a hospital for years and I've seen a lot of fat EMTs. But still overall healthier than nurses, cops, and firefighters.
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Also I didn't even bother voting for governor because Newsom can S my D from the B.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:motherfucker don't EMTs already have a rough enough deal Apparently they’re just robots that don’t need sleep. California voters are the smartest most progressive in the country. 
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Gary Kreep is down by 16% in the SD judicial election, which is nice. Hope it says that way. Yeah that is nice
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Nov 7, 2018 07:45
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Most people take Uber or the bus (if they're too drippy for Uber) instead of ambulances anyway.
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All local rent control measures failing and public banking failed hard in LA. Panfilo posted:Most people take Uber or the bus (if they're too drippy for Uber) instead of ambulances anyway. I’ve driven someone to the hospital before via Lyft. 
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Nov 7, 2018 07:50
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Soccer City looks to be going down for us San Diego goons gently caress Soccer City
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Nov 7, 2018 07:51
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How the gently caress is Young Kim still relevant politically.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:California voters are dumb and the prop system remains a terrible way to enact public policy. In other news sky blue water wet. i did think "caps corporate profit on dialysis clinics" title would be an obivous slam dunk but, well... i still hold out maybe the legislature will repeal costa-hawkins but, well...
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Danann posted:How the gently caress is Young Kim still relevant politically. i'll be really mad if she pulls through then again that piece of poo poo got turfed hard in 2016 so maybe there's hope for 2020
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11 was framed as “can EMTs blow off your heart attack because they’re on break and they think these hot dogs are more important” and not on the much more accurate “can EMTs be entitled to compensation pay from their employer if your heart attack erases their break.”
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Prop 11's framing and advertising was extremely slick. It sounded great to me with cursory reading, which is all most voters do, if that. A little scrutiny revealed it to be a sham of course. Prop 8 was similar. I did not expect them to be so lopsided tho :/
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Skippy McPants posted:For all the credit and bullshit CA gets for being a liberal fortress, we loving hate labor. We're not quite a right-to-work hellhole, but god drat do our laws and culture treat people in all fields and professions like complete rear end. loving lol that CA is still an at-will employment state
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Nov 7, 2018 08:09
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San Diego local races have some good news. Dems look to be flipping a Republican city council seat, which would give them a 6-3 supermajority and the ability to override the (R) mayor’s veto. And a lovely machine Dem is losing to her former staffer who quit in disgust.
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Skippy McPants posted:For all the credit and bullshit CA gets for being a liberal fortress, we loving hate labor. We're not quite a right-to-work hellhole, but god drat do our laws and culture treat people in all fields and professions like complete rear end. California gets credit for being a liberal fortress in the same way Pelosi and Feinstein get credit for being socialists.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:loving lol that CA is still an at-will employment state california is not a liberal state but a neoliberal state thamsk for reading
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On the other hand... Duncan Hunter
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marshmonkey posted:On the other hand... Duncan Hunter Klantee gonna Klantee
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It appears that Feinstein will not, in fact, eat poo poo. Shame about de Leon's "what if I just didn't campaign at all?" strategy not working out
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Don't worry, they'll just vote in another Republican when he goes to jail. At least there won't be any threat of him being allowed back in the House now.
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Kilroy posted:It appears that Feinstein will not, in fact, eat poo poo. Shame about de Leon's "what if I just didn't campaign at all?" strategy not working out Possible a lot of his votes came from Republicans who didn't know anything about him. Campaigning might've actually reduced his vote share, lol
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Possible a lot of his votes came from Republicans who didn't know anything about him. Campaigning might've actually reduced his vote share, lol
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I think 11's actual effect is pretty much limited to whether ambulance companies are liable for their past labor violations. (And that bit still may get thrown out of Prop 11 by the courts regardless). As far as I understand it, the change to labor law going forward is basically the same as the law changes the union and companies compromised on last year, but that bill died in the state senate after passing the house with disagreement about whether it would be retroactive. So it's a money transfer from EMTs to the companies, but doesn't have public safety impacts. 3 failing is the one I'm surprised at. I would have thought "Water Infrastructure! (but mostly agriculture handouts)" would have picked up enough low-information liberal voters + high-information central valley voters to sneak through.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Possible a lot of his votes came from Republicans who didn't know anything about him. Campaigning might've actually reduced his vote share, lol 
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Possible a lot of his votes came from Republicans who didn't know anything about him. Campaigning might've actually reduced his vote share, lol This is what the election maps show. De Leon is getting a lot of votes from the rural parts of California, lol. Anyways, he definitely could have campaigned harder, but he also didn’t have nearly as much money for ads as Feinstein. It was an uphill battle from the beginning.
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Kevin de Leon fought the good fight and i will cut anyone who says otherwise. dont @ me.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:i'd like to hear how exactly he fought, like, at all well hes been saying flatly "no, gently caress off" to the national administration for two solid years while democratic leadership was waffling around about bipartisanship, for one thing quote:Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.
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basically stop loving electing people from San Francisco if you want this state to suck less
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paranoid randroid posted:well hes been saying flatly "no, gently caress off" to the national administration for two solid years while democratic leadership was waffling around about bipartisanship, for one thing oh i meant specifically this midterm. he doesn't seem to have done poo poo all to oust Feinstein since the primary
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