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To be fair, gay artists coming out as bisexual makes them less scary to mainstream fans. Babby steps to announcing you're completely gay. But I think Freddy Mercury probably went both ways. It was odd, my fairly conservative father reciting some story about Mercury after a concert having men in sailor outfits visit him in his dressing room. The fact he liked women too seemed to make it alright. EDIT: that or my dad was thinking of coming out as bi himself. Poor dad. Never did get a chance to explore his love of the navy. Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 13:41 on Nov 6, 2018 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:To be fair, gay artists coming out as bisexual makes them less scary to mainstream fans. Babby steps to announcing you're completely gay. He did, don't look too deep in his old storage locker
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Zero One posted:There is a good series on Youtube going through the history of Nickelodeon. Each episode is about a single show starting at the very beginning. He finally got to You Can't Do That On Television and spends a lot of time talking about some less than appropriate features: body shaming, Playboys, and... lots of boys being put in dresses. Roger Price is a goddamned maniac and it’s a small miracle there have never been any metoo allegations against him. He threatened poparena with a dcma takedown or a lawsuit before this episode even went up.
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It’s fun to look back at the clip of Ken as Sid Snot and Freddie in full leatherboy drag and think ‘Oh those fine young men joking about’  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYpRkARK8Io
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I mean, he literally starts with "friends of Dorothy" so they weren't trying to hide it that hard.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Mate, there were people in the 70s so repressed and fearful of homosexuality that they didn't realize that either of Freddie Mercury, or Liberace were gay. I went to see the Liberace movie at a cheap mid-week screening, so the cinema was full of old people. A bunch of them walked out when the gay sex scene started. Like, what did you expect, really? I think there’s a certain generation that grew up with camp, cuddly gay people on TV, so they think they’re pretty accepting. But actually show them two men kissing and ooooh boy.
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Rob Halford is my favorite obviously gay musician who people thought was straight because he got homophobic metalheads to dress like leather daddies
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I've mentioned before in this thread that I'm kind of fascinated by how Liberace managed to become so hugely popular as he did. He sang very little, he wrote no or at least no notable original songs, he essentially went out in outlandish costumes and played classical piano with a few pop standards mixed in and that's what people were turning out or tuning in to see. Thanks to his Las Vegas residencies he was literally the highest paid entertainer in the world for most of his adult life. I wonder if it's because he was one of the first musicians who really grasped the possibilities of television; in the late 50s, he had a local show in Los Angeles where he'd perform with his orchestra and tell corny stories between songs, then it was syndicated across the country and that's how he got huge. It's like how pro wrestling was right there at the dawn of television; it was cheap to produce but could draw massive ratings.
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I think what it was was the idea of homosexuality wasn't something the average person ever thought about back then so people could be a lot more obvious about it.
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If Scooby-Doo guest stars are any indication, standards for entertainment in the early years of TV were amazingly low.
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I will not hear any bad mouthing of the Harlem Globetrotters, sir!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:If Scooby-Doo guest stars are any indication, standards for entertainment in the early years of TV were amazingly low. https://youtu.be/yWG_R6SjUNY
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've mentioned before in this thread that I'm kind of fascinated by how Liberace managed to become so hugely popular as he did. He sang very little, he wrote no or at least no notable original songs, he essentially went out in outlandish costumes and played classical piano with a few pop standards mixed in and that's what people were turning out or tuning in to see. Thanks to his Las Vegas residencies he was literally the highest paid entertainer in the world for most of his adult life. I was going to mention Gorgeous George but you basically did near the end there. I’m not sure what it was about effeminate gay male stereotypes (who don’t say that they’re gay) that people went crazy for in the 20th century but they sure as hell did
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Krispy Wafer posted:She's royal, they're full of blood borne illnesses, but I don't think HIV was one of them.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I was going to mention Gorgeous George but you basically did near the end there. I’m not sure what it was about effeminate gay male stereotypes (who don’t say that they’re gay) that people went crazy for in the 20th century but they sure as hell did Gorgeous George was a bad guy. There was a manservant who sprayed perfume and George didn't like getting dirty. He bleached his hair. Wrestling used this from at least the television era and probably a bit earlier: Pretty boy bad guys. Considering folks were clueless on Liberace, it's hard to say at that point if it were specifically gay overtones or just the thought of unmanliness. Long hair was enough to fit that category. Wrestling crowds have long leaned conservative and dressing like a hippie made you an automatic bad guy in the south in the 1970s. That's not getting into the other stereotypes that wrestling really preyed on fans to hate and still does to a slightly lesser extent now.
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Being gay was still illegal in a lot of places. Most people probably didn’t know a publicly gay person. So you had macho straight people, regular straight people, and kind of feminine straight people. Like when I was a kid I just assumed everyone was Christian. Atheists hadn’t become unbearably smug at that point so it’s wasn’t obvious who was going to Hell and who wasn’t. If you have a real simple world view it’s entirely possible to assume Liberace was just a sassy straight guy.
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Before Stonewall is a good rear end documentary about this stuff and is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70PY1dR7efo
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Whoever posted the Nick Knacks doc about You Can't Do That On Television, THANK YOU. It was very good. The stuff about Roger Price (the show's creator) being a creep was an eye opener. I also didn't remember how much of an rear end in a top hat they were to some of the girls on the show. What is it about kids' shows creators and being creepy assholes?
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Gorgeous George was a bad guy. There was a manservant who sprayed perfume and George didn't like getting dirty. He bleached his hair. I’m not saying Gorgeous George wasn’t portrayed as a bad guy but he was undeniably one of the reasons a lot of people bought TVs in the first place. He was a huge draw And wrestling does still use some gay stereotypes but the demographics of wrestling have shifted so far left that they’re almost immediate fan favorites if they can pull it off well, like Dalton Castle does, or how Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi are two of the best wrestlers in the world and in a tag team together called the Golden Lovers and the idea that they might be loving is barely even cared about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zneqc0ttY98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF59IZ3YvL8 Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 02:51 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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I'm reminded of how apparently Muhammed Ali based his early persona on Gorgeous George, figuring a tactic that's effective for psychology in a fake sport would work in a real one. Of course, basically just being black in the 60s made being a heel all too easy.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of how apparently Muhammed Ali based his early persona on Gorgeous George, figuring a tactic that's effective for psychology in a fake sport would work in a real one. Of course, basically just being black in the 60s made being a heel all too easy. Nah. A lot of black fighters were insanely popular. Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson...Joe Frazier later on. Ali was hated for a lot of other reasons besides his race, although that certainly had a lot to do with it.
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BiggerBoat posted:Nah. A lot of black fighters were insanely popular. Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson...Joe Frazier later on. Ali was hated for a lot of other reasons besides his race, although that certainly had a lot to do with it. He was Black, Muslim, and he refused to fight in the war. It’s surprising he ever became a beloved national treasure.
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A lot of people supported those 1968 protests. Probably helped him more than harmed.
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BiggerBoat posted:Nah. A lot of black fighters were insanely popular. Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson...Joe Frazier later on. Ali was hated for a lot of other reasons besides his race, although that certainly had a lot to do with it. Ali wasn't hated by the parts of "white America" that hated him specifically because he was black, it was because he was an 'uppity' black person. He was a black person that spoke out against the Vietnam war, against racism, and did so with a cleverness, wit, and articularity that was not expected from an athlete, let alone a black one, who was expected to shut up, keep his head down and be grateful that the white man wasn't lynching him.
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Mu Zeta posted:A lot of people supported those 1968 protests. Probably helped him more than harmed. Sure, but it's not like boxing was a sport hippies and counter culture types liked. The audience for that sport ran in contrast to the ideals Muhammad Ali was fighting for. The fact he weathered that (especially considering his fighting skills had peaked while he was prohibited from boxing) had a lot to do with his personality. Any other fighter would have just wandered into obscurity.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Whoever posted the Nick Knacks doc about You Can't Do That On Television, THANK YOU. It was very good. The stuff about Roger Price (the show's creator) being a creep was an eye opener. I also didn't remember how much of an rear end in a top hat they were to some of the girls on the show. I watched it too, it was very eye opening. Although, now that I've heard of her, I keep finding Pauline Quirke references in things I wouldn't have noticed before.
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The episode of Iron Chef where Mario Battali battles John Besh.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Whoever posted the Nick Knacks doc about You Can't Do That On Television, THANK YOU. It was very good. The stuff about Roger Price (the show's creator) being a creep was an eye opener. I also didn't remember how much of an rear end in a top hat they were to some of the girls on the show. They enjoy being in positions of power over children. Its not hard to figure out where the attraction is here.
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I'm watching dog show reruns and I think they expect me to not notice one of the trainers is Patty Hearst.
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rodbeard posted:I'm watching dog show reruns and I think they expect me to not notice one of the trainers is Patty Hearst. Is this too long for a thread title?
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JediTalentAgent posted:Since we're getting into some ad stuff, Nicktoons/Disney's "Doug" was (more or less) featured in Grapefruit Juice and USA Network promotions prior to the actual start of the cartoon. Hearing this makes me sad that the Afterlife With Archie comic died off..
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BrigadierSensible posted:Mate, there were people in the 70s so repressed and fearful of homosexuality that they didn't realize that either of Freddie Mercury, or Liberace were gay. “He prefers the company of men” “Who doesn’t!?”
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So after Roseanne's final shitstorm I decided to run through the entire Roseanne run on Amazon streaming, half expecting it to get pulled out of rotation. I had watched a decent amount of Roseanne episodes when they aired (Older goon - I was in high school when Roseanne debuted.), and caught a ton more in syndication in the mid-90's through early 2000s but really wasn't sure if there were any episodes that I hadn't seen. Was mostly hoping that there were, foolishly hoping that they would be from earlier seasons. Things I learned: There were in fact a few episodes that I hadn't seen. But if you think I was lucky enough to stumble onto some fresh new gem from season 3 or so - ha ha ha ha wrong. Every single episode that was new to me was from the dreaded season 9. Season 9 is even worse than I remembered, and worse than people say. Jesus Christ. Also, the John Popper theme song is hot garbage. Season 8 really isn't that much better. As much poo poo as season 9 gets, season 8 is a drat mess itself. Always my favorite scene, and still is. Goodman and Matcalf were both really really great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSpvvYXsYM And in keeping with the theme of the thread: Oof. Skip to 16:45 or so if the timestamp doesn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPBkpYF-GY No, Dan. That's not really a cool way of requesting a song. Tony Phillips has a new favorite as of 22:10 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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I remember there was a whole plotline in Roseanne where Roseanne loses self control and spanks DJ. She spends the rest of the story coping with it, eventually apologizing to him and saying it was completely unacceptable and she doesn't want to turn into her abusive father. It's real good. Then in the revival she has a couple throwaway lines about how kids are soft because they don't get spanked enough. Really jarring.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I remember there was a whole plotline in Roseanne where Roseanne loses self control and spanks DJ. She spends the rest of the story coping with it, eventually apologizing to him and saying it was completely unacceptable and she doesn't want to turn into her abusive father. It's real good. I really liked the preamble to that final scene: "DJ, Do you wanna come and spoil your dinner?" "No." "Do you wanna watch me spoil mine?" "Do I have to?" "Yes" It's a kind of silly leadup but with a lot of emotion behind it.
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I always liked when Dan beat up Jackie's abusive boyfriend. The original Roseanne was so progressive that I couldn't believe Roseanne was a Trumper. John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf are treasures.
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Gaunab posted:I always liked when Dan beat up Jackie's abusive boyfriend. Yeah, it really was, it's a shame she had to go full racist and commit her good stuff to the dustbin
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Gaunab posted:I always liked when Dan beat up Jackie's abusive boyfriend. Something I didn't know until looking it up during my recent re-watch: Metcalf married the actor that played Fisher in 1993.
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"Gay or not" is all plausible deniability optics poo poo. It's like goddamn U S Senator Lindsey Graham. Everyone knows he's gay and it's "fine" as long as he never says so. And a lot of you guys seem weirdly... ehhh I won't even get started. It's like you don't seem to understand that even things creators say are part of the entertainment property overall. When they said Smithers was "Burnssexual" that was a way to jokingly get out of saying he's gay because that's a news story and it violates *points to sentence at top of post*. But Smithers is loving gay, obviously, whether or not someone on the writing staff says so outright, because he's completely and unambiguously coded that way, and if they didn't want him to be perceived as "gay" they wouldn't have had him engage in activities intended to communicate that he is gay. 99% of clickbait now is weak "news stories" made of the second keygrip saying "I think Danaerys is a lesbian?" while stoned on a couch. They have to be cognizant of that poo poo because you--you!--are part of the public, and the perception of a property affects the saleability of a property. And it never stops applying because the property never stops having that dimension. Pick has a new favorite as of 02:32 on Dec 1, 2018 |
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