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evilweasel posted:it's also a constitutional crisis when a politically stacked court blatantly refuses to enforce the subpoena because it's not in the interests of the Republican party sure but 'what if they just ignore a subpoena?' isn't really the problem here i bet we get a lot of new caselaw about executive privilege though e 
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I haven't been following too closely, but from what I saw in the last thread Kemp won Georgia, but a quick/lazy google is bringing up articles about Abrams not conceding yet, and hoping for run-offs. Is there anything here? What are the chances that Kemp's role in overseeing the election (and clearly doing some shady BS leading up to) has consequence?
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skylined! posted:Does anyone have any more insight into why GA Gov hasn’t been called? Abrams thinks there’s a line to a runoff but there would need to be about 33k more absentee/provisional votes for either her or the libertarian chin with kemp gaining zero to drop him under 50%. they might be hoping for some kind of injunction since there's a lawsuit over the handling of the election
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corn in the bible posted:Yes. That is correct. I don't recall Paul Ryan ever swearing bloody vengeance. His committee chairs did though, and I imagine that our incoming committee chairs have more than a few bones to pick with the way the House investigations have been run.
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If you're looking for silver linings and bright sides: The obese nature of the rural hoi polloi has thus far endowed them some resistance to the minuscule quantities of (+/- car)fentanyl that typically kill individuals of traditional girth but high fructose corn syrup and ranch induced diabetes and the associated amputations will soon reduce the typical flyover lumpenprole to a weight that's more susceptible to Chinese synthetic opiate grains. The combined effects of simultaneous social detergent exposure in vulnerable populations might make progressive candidates competitive in low population nightmare hellscapes in a couple years.
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Tibalt posted:I mean... historically I'd say it's the thing I'd most believe would make people vote against their candidate or stay home. Which is true. But there has never been a cult of personality like this around any president in this country's history. We've been seeing all the norms going out the window for the last 2 years. We're in uncharted territory here, politically.
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Al Borland Corpse posted:Well it's not like we have crops rotting in the field and plants unable to fulfill orders due to tariffs. Why the hell do you think Dems did so well in Kansas?
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Your Taint posted:Which is true. But there has never been a cult of personality around any president in this country's history. We've been seeing all the norms going out the window for the last 2 years. We're in uncharted territory here, politically. Jackson, Roosevelt, Kennedy.
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also lol Duncan Hunter got reelected Just in time for the Thanksgiving Steam sale!
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Lightning Knight posted:It shouldn't be, though. Wisconsin is the way it is due to voter suppression. I'm still really mad it was as close as it was for Evers, and Bryce should've won. Yeah but i don't care why it's close when it comes to 2020: all that's gonna matter is the election results. But here's a question I didn't think of that will be important: which party is now in charge of the electoral apparatus/state supreme court in WI? I'm pretty sure I saw that Republicans kept the legislature. Can that voter suppression be reversed in time for the 2020 elections?
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The Glumslinger posted:Why the hell do you think Dems did so well in Kansas? Sharice Davids and Laura Kelly were, for me, two of the biggest surprises of the night. Boy, Kansas must have REALLY been sick of Brownback's poo poo.
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evilweasel posted:4) It was so, so, so important to take the House, but the Senate results fill me with dread. All of the viable paths to fixing the country required a Democratic trifecta in 2020 to ram through some key reforms - add PR and DC as states, to counteract the drift of the Senate to a republican lock; voting rights reforms; and popular economic policies that can get passed and will solidify support for Democrats. All of those things will get blocked out of hand by a Republican Senate. I do not know if it's possible to win the Senate now in 2020. If Democrats win the Presidency in 2020 but Republicans keep the Senate, my fear is that Republicans will block anything at all from getting done and Democrats will not turn out in 2022, losing the House and losing the only chance to flip the Senate if they don't in 2020. So that's a kick in the nuts. Gah you're right aren't you. gently caress, now I'm actually a bit depressed, before just moderately frustrated/disappointed.
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Xae posted:Jackson, Roosevelt, Kennedy. sorry, i meant to this degree and i have edited
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The Glumslinger posted:Why the hell do you think Dems did so well in Kansas? Because Brownback wrecked that state before Trump's tarrifs even started, was widely loathed, and Kobach thought it was a super idea to tell everyone in the one debate they had that he thought Brownback was a great governor and he'd continue all his policies. Other republicans in similar situations were smarter about how they dealt with a widely loathed predecessor.
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Is this the place where we rage at the inexplicable people in Arizona who are part of the Green Party?
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Soothing Vapors posted:But Pelosi didn't immediately smear her forehead in lambs' blood and start raving incoherently about vengeance, therefore Dems Bad you see I'd settle for just getting it close to a 50/50 split tbh.
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evilweasel posted:4) It was so, so, so important to take the House, but the Senate results fill me with dread. All of the viable paths to fixing the country required a Democratic trifecta in 2020 to ram through some key reforms - add PR and DC as states, to counteract the drift of the Senate to a republican lock; voting rights reforms; and popular economic policies that can get passed and will solidify support for Democrats. All of those things will get blocked out of hand by a Republican Senate. I do not know if it's possible to win the Senate now in 2020. If Democrats win the Presidency in 2020 but Republicans keep the Senate, my fear is that Republicans will block anything at all from getting done and Democrats will not turn out in 2022, losing the House and losing the only chance to flip the Senate if they don't in 2020. So that's a kick in the nuts. I think the undemocratic nature of the Senate needs to enter the national debate in a serious way, the same way that “abolish ICE” and “pack the court” are fast becoming left electoral litmus tests. I’m not sure what the best way to gut the power of the senate is, but something needs to happen.
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evilweasel posted:Yeah but i don't care why it's close when it comes to 2020: all that's gonna matter is the election results. But here's a question I didn't think of that will be important: which party is now in charge of the electoral apparatus/state supreme court in WI? I'm pretty sure I saw that Republicans kept the legislature. Can that voter suppression be reversed in time for the 2020 elections? I honestly have no idea. My understanding is that the legislature will draw the map but now Evers has veto power. However, the court case banning gerrymandering fizzled out? It is unclear to me.
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if anyone needs a pick me up because you're bummed that your unrealistic expectations for last night didn't come true, Laura Loomer is losing her loving mind because she feels that Daddy Trump and Fox News both let her down by not broadcasting her insanity 24/7 and she's super depressed https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1060186507078762496 She's tweeted 13 times in the past hour and it's all some variation on this
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Loomer is pretty upset that the GOP won in so many places, isn't she?TyroneGoldstein posted:Is this the place where we rage at the inexplicable people in Arizona who are part of the Green Party? You should *always* be mocking and shaming people who vote Green Party.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Is this the place where we rage at the inexplicable people in Arizona who are part of the Green Party? Always rage about those fuckwads.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Is this the place where we rage at the inexplicable people in Arizona who are part of the Green Party? Green party hate is something that should unite us all.
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Kobayashi posted:I think the undemocratic nature of the Senate needs to enter the national debate in a serious way, the same way that “abolish ICE” and “pack the court” are fast becoming left electoral litmus tests. I’m not sure what the best way to gut the power of the senate is, but something needs to happen. Every single way I can think of requires holding the Senate and admitting some new states, or stuff even more difficult (lol at getting 3/4ths of states behind any constitutional amendment to fix the problem that small idiot states have far too much political power). Which is why being unable to take the Senate in 2020 is terrifying.
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No wonder I've yet to see anyone post about Iron Stache. He lost, after all that attention.
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Soothing Vapors posted:if anyone needs a pick me up because you're bummed that your unrealistic expectations for last night didn't come true, Laura Loomer is losing her loving mind because she feels that Daddy Trump and Fox News both let her down by not broadcasting her insanity 24/7 and she's super depressed Hey, there's the schadenfreude.
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https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1060183379692437505e: this is the loser of the Dem primary in FL-18 (the winner, Lauren Baer, lost the general yesterday)
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What’s this about there still being hundreds of thousands of early/absentee votes to count in Arizona? Is this true?
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Now that the devils lettuce is going to be legal in Michigan, I wonder how difficult it would be to set up a dispensary in Holland.
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Al Borland Corpse posted:So for the first time I had somebody call me an NPC online. What's a good method, for if this happens in person, to not beat the poo poo out of such a person? Because I'm afraid I might do that and I'd rather not do that. Uh, don't look now, but I think they might be reading some of the same threads as you. 
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Kobayashi posted:I think the undemocratic nature of the Senate needs to enter the national debate in a serious way, the same way that “abolish ICE” and “pack the court” are fast becoming left electoral litmus tests. I’m not sure what the best way to gut the power of the senate is, but something needs to happen. The era of major Constitutional amendments like this is long since past. The national rhetoric of the Constitution as a monolithic, holy document has become far too entrenched over the past 30 years. Honestly don't think we'll see a 28th Amendment in our lifetimes.
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Lightning Knight posted:I honestly have no idea. My understanding is that the legislature will draw the map but now Evers has veto power. However, the court case banning gerrymandering fizzled out? It is unclear to me. The gerrymandering case is still going on, but I'm not talking about gerrymandering. I'm talking about on a presidential level, and gerrymandering isn't the reason Walker only barely lost and won't effect how likely Trump is to win the state in 2020.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What’s this about there still being hundreds of thousands of early/absentee votes to count in Arizona? Is this true? That is a LOT of votes left lying fallow this late. It's very hard to believe.
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They need to check the senate. Republicans won long-term there with +3, making a lot easier for them to hold in 2020 despite having to defend 22 seats. They also managed to keep Florida for the 2020 gerrymander which is a lot of house seats for the next decade. More than NY this upcoming census. Every vacant judiciary seat is going to federalist-annointed ghouls which will skew the lower courts for at least as long as SCOTUS. On the bright side we can basically ignore Chuck loving Schumer for the indefinite future, as he has absolutely nothing to do that's not making bad press releases. Battles, wars, etc. When people are upset they have good reason to be: most of what was won tonight was in the 2-year terms that can flip back just as easy if dems poo poo their pants in 2020.
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