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You ever just sit back and think about how nationalistic these games are? gently caress's sake, this series's base assumptions are uncomfortable these days. Even more than usual, I mean.
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No, I sure don't.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:33
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Ragnar34 posted:You ever just sit back and think about how nationalistic these games are? gently caress's sake, this series's base assumptions are uncomfortable these days. Even more than usual, I mean. I know right. Imagine being an immortal in charge of a small group of 1000 or so people and eventually you develop a national ethos and they follow your orders almost unquestionably as they develop into a civilization of millions? Must be uncomfortable to realize you have people depending on you.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:49
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Eric the Mauve posted:There has never been a useful (that is, adding more fun than it subtracts) point in having religion as a separate entity from culture. civ 4 religion was fun and good
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Nov 2, 2018 23:53
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Ragnar34 posted:You ever just sit back and think about how nationalistic these games are? gently caress's sake, this series's base assumptions are uncomfortable these days. Even more than usual, I mean. Nah, I’m all about socialism and social justice and I’m fine. I can play GTA and still want to repeal the 2nd amendment too.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:01
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I guess it's selfish of me, but admittedly I hope I never hit the point where I feel legit uncomfortable playing Civilization. I feel like I gotta be able to take off that lens sometime and just enjoy dumb things for what they are, or else I'll go crazy.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:25
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Is freecol any good again? I remember giving up on the AI shortly after they added a bunch of different colonizers instead.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:29
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Ragnar34 posted:You ever just sit back and think about how nationalistic these games are? gently caress's sake, this series's base assumptions are uncomfortable these days. Even more than usual, I mean. lol just lol if you've never laughed heartily while you steamroll america playing as polynesia
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Nov 3, 2018 00:36
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The White Dragon posted:lol just lol if you've never laughed heartily while you steamroll america playing as polynesia The one game I won as America, I made sure to go Order. Communist America conquered the world in the name of socialism.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:40
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Civ 4 corporations made most tiles completely worthless in the late game which has the side effect of letting you just run endless specialists forever with no drawback so long as you could maintain food balance. E: Rereading this, this might be the most realistic Civ has ever been as a matter of fact. 
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Nov 3, 2018 00:54
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Super Jay Mann posted:Civ 4 corporations made most tiles completely worthless in the late game which has the side effect of letting you just run endless specialists forever with no drawback so long as you could maintain food balance. Makes me think of Call to Power. Corporate branches, lawyers, and televangelists were all potent units of the late game.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:58
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In CIV V I loved playing medieval Europe scenarios and going out of my way converting Rome to Islam
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Nov 3, 2018 01:04
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Ragnar34 posted:You ever just sit back and think about how nationalistic these games are? gently caress's sake, this series's base assumptions are uncomfortable these days. Even more than usual, I mean. It's OK and healthy to be critical of things you enjoy.
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Nov 3, 2018 01:27
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You are not actually controlling the American/French/Indian/whoever government and none of the millions of people you are killing with your warmongering or oppressive administrative policies actually exist, you are literally just raising and lowering numbers in a database. Thank you for your time (and kill those filthy Commies)
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Nov 3, 2018 01:32
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Sedge and Bee posted:In CIV V I loved playing medieval Europe scenarios and going out of my way converting Rome to Islam It was pretty cool how that scenario had set bonuses for the religions and they modeled the Five Pillars of Islam.
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Nov 3, 2018 01:39
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What would Civilization look like if it was not racist? Something along the lines of the Spirit Island board game I guess! You are Gaia.
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Nov 3, 2018 01:52
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Ham Sandwiches posted:No, I sure don't. Same. Also please add the Incas next.
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Nov 3, 2018 03:29
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Lampsacus posted:What would Civilization look like if it was not racist? Something along the lines of the Spirit Island board game I guess! You are Gaia. India & China would be split into a dozen civs each. It would own.
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Nov 3, 2018 10:16
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Sorta like the Europa Universalis series? Though I'm not sure "not racist" is the best way to describe that.
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Nov 4, 2018 12:05
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China has been quite monolithic throughout history. Not necessarily "unified", as if often fragmented, but the idea of a single united China has been alive in China itself for thousands of years. And it was often a reality. So having a single China civilization seems appropriate. India not so much I guess... but I think it's mostly supposed to represent today's India, something like the Australian civ. Or the American one.
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Nov 4, 2018 14:38
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markus_cz posted:China has been quite monolithic throughout history. Not necessarily "unified", as if often fragmented, but the idea of a single united China has been alive in China itself for thousands of years. And it was often a reality. So having a single China civilization seems appropriate. For China, I was thinking in terms of dynasties and political regimes. There's been a China for thousands of years (mostly) but it hasn't always been the same China, or that similar to modern-day China (depending how far back you look). Basically give us the Zhou, Qin, Han, Tang, Song, etc. as their own civ. It wouldn't be weirder than having both Rome and Byzantium. Edit: Or bring back different leaders for civs (that aren't Greece or India), that was a good way to make one specific period of a civ's history more prominent. Kassad fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Nov 4, 2018 |
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Nov 4, 2018 14:59
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Yes we get it Civ4 was a better game 
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Nov 4, 2018 17:40
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Kassad posted:For China, I was thinking in terms of dynasties and political regimes. There's been a China for thousands of years (mostly) but it hasn't always been the same China, or that similar to modern-day China (depending how far back you look). Basically give us the Zhou, Qin, Han, Tang, Song, etc. as their own civ. It wouldn't be weirder than having both Rome and Byzantium. Multiple Chinese leaders could work but they seem to have not done much with the multiple leaders idea in general.
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Nov 4, 2018 17:48
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I liked how China's CIv5 intro straight-up lied and said China was the oldest civilization
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Byzantine posted:I liked how China's CIv5 intro straight-up lied and said China was the oldest civilization  Or maybe it's 7000 now, who knows? How old is Egypt? They must surely have invented a number higher than that by now.
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Nov 4, 2018 23:40
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There's a cultural continuity to India's vedic tradition that's super old. The problem isn't so much China and India as it is including every single minor variation of Western Europe.
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Nov 5, 2018 04:12
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Lampsacus posted:What would Civilization look like if it was not racist? Something along the lines of the Spirit Island board game I guess! You are Gaia. Spirit Island kicks rear end. The White Dragon posted:lol just lol if you've never laughed heartily while you steamroll america playing as polynesia Spirit Island kicks rear end. Tendales posted:It's OK and healthy to be critical of things you enjoy. Yeah, that's where I'm coming from here. I love these games. When I was a little kid I would put the Civ 2 game disk in a CD player and listen to all the music. Man, I should find that soundtrack so I can relive the strange days when video games sometimes worked in a CD player. Peaceful Anarchy posted:Multiple Chinese leaders could work but they seem to have not done much with the multiple leaders idea in general.
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Nov 5, 2018 06:27
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Poil posted:5000 years! Egypt is legit around 5000 years old. The first dynasty was founded around 3000BC. There are archeological remains in China that are about that old but the first dynasty that's recognizably Chinese is the Shang (starting circa 1600BC). That's when you see the early forms of Chinese writing appear, some traditions like ancestor worship and so on. So it's "only" around 3,600 years. Although there's less continuity in Egypt after the Roman period, honestly. China is like if Egypt never stopped using hieroglyphics and the native religion never died out.
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Kassad posted:Egypt is legit around 5000 years old. The first dynasty was founded around 3000BC. But China also has periods of conquest that are never reflected. Like the Great Qing were Manchu led and were significantly different culturally in many ways from previous dynasties. But unlike Rome and Byzantium, you never get a Qing civilizations.
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Nov 5, 2018 13:46
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I figure it's mostly a matter of target audience, presumably if Civ was mostly marketed to the Chinese it'd be the other way around.
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Kanfy posted:I figure it's mostly a matter of target audience, presumably if Civ was mostly marketed to the Chinese it'd be the other way around. nah, because the Chinese government is big on promoting the idea of a single monolithic Chinese culture throughout history
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Nov 6, 2018 14:17
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Honest question: Is there a historical reason for Korea having massive science bonuses in Civ 5 and 6?
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Pewdiepie posted:Honest question: Is there a historical reason for Korea having massive science bonuses in Civ 5 and 6? Their leader in 5 (don't know about 6) was legitimately known as a great patron of the sciences whose reign saw significant advances in science and technology. He was very regressive about social stuff (notably banning Islam from being practiced in Korea), but them's the breaks.
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Highdea: Give civs a new UA every era. Like they just stack, but your earlier ones become progressively less useful as the game goes on because they're related to that phase of the game. Manifest Destiny is super powerful early in the game, but it falls off as you acquire more land area quickly, your economy goes wild, and your borders start getting solidified. Or like the Japanese fishing boats UA, that's what they start with and it's supremely useful in the beginning of the game but by the classical era nobody gives a poo poo about an extra culture or two. In the modern era they get Anime. Increases export income from trade routes. Enables UU of GDR. Something like Wayfinding would be a Medieval UA. You get to move into ocean tiles one age early, but it doesn't have to be this broken thing you start with; Polynesia's stone age unique would be like Mana Pōhaku +1 Culture +1 Gold from improved farm-type bonus tiles.
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Civ Revolution actually works like that, but it's mostly boring bonuses like a flat bonus to great people points or trade income when you reach a specific era. And you're mostly describing stuff that actually is in Civ VI; America gets bonuses to national parks and some government bonuses that don't kick in until later, Japan gets special factories that give culture once you discover electronics, and Norway gets ocean travel an era early.
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Nov 7, 2018 11:15
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Is it worth picking up Rise and Fall as a daily deal for 35% off? Mostly played V and have now drifted into VI through sheer laziness of not wanting to unlearn districting but I'm cheap and would never pick up an expansion for full price
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Nov 7, 2018 15:09
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Deffo yes!
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Nov 7, 2018 15:24
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Doccykins posted:Is it worth picking up Rise and Fall as a daily deal for 35% off? Mostly played V and have now drifted into VI through sheer laziness of not wanting to unlearn districting but I'm cheap and would never pick up an expansion for full price steam?
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How much do you like the base game? Rise and Fall is just more of the same, good ideas that are half-assed in some weird ways. Loyalty is real neat and lets you flip cities neighboring cities with some effort and punish forward settlers with extreme prejudice, governors can be made to do some fun things if you plan for it, and golden ages are cool but weirdly limiting. Emergencies and advanced alliances are real cool when they do work, but that happens very rarely because diplomacy is wonky and buggy and unlikely to see a patch anytime soon. Oh, and 8 new civs and Chandragupta. They're pretty cool. Georgia has a real sweet chanting monks theme.
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On a related note, that auto-tuned singing in the Atomic Era Zulu theme is absolutely loving amazing.
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