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Duckworth's only real strength over any other challenger is being a Democratic veteran and the last two decades of Presidential elections have shown that doesn't matter in the least despite what supposed experts think.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:M4A is not happening any time soon no matter who we elect, In politics, if you want to achieve a long-term, sweeping project that truly changes the system, you have to be willing to loudly demand it and fight for it. Saying "It's not happening any time soon" is a cop-out. No one thinks it's going to happen overnight. If Duckworth's not even willing to call for M4A, I don't see much of a reason to support her as the nominee.
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DLC Inc posted:Tammy Duckworth is not a great choice by any means. Realistically the only scenario I can imagine is Gillibrand paired off with someone like O'Rourke/Gillum, and even then only has a chance if she leans ALL the way to the left and not wuss out. Kamala Harris is a loving cop. Bernie/Maxine are just too old at this juncture. Just not the time for black folks and other poc I see. I guess we should just wait our turns. Whatever happens I'm not voting for a cis straight white man again. I'm not. I'm done. I refuse. I REFUSE!!!
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Beto was so good for Texas, nationwide it was sad to see him lose, but he helped out a LOT on the State level.
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Look guys Social Security is a good idea but it's just not happening anytime soon, what about tax credits for employers to incentivize market-based pension plans with matching federal contributions that are means-tested to retain a balanced federal budget. Maybe in a 100 years if Democrats win 99 seats in the Senate for a century straight we can talk about maybe twiddling with the incentive structure. *Alf Landon wins in a blowout, implements making old people into sandwiches for the poor* "Well just goes to show this radical Social Security idea was never possible in the first place, people just don't want it" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Beto was so good for Texas, nationwide it was sad to see him lose, but he helped out a LOT on the State level. Yeah changing the legislature is a really big deal! This is one of those wins we should be applauding.
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Paradoxish posted:This is actually kind of nonsense. A major shift in the American healthcare landscape like M4A is not something that's going to happen gradually. It's going to happen as a result of popular initiatives coinciding with major electoral gains, and ultimately it's going to require party leadership that doesn't try to actively slow down momentum. Part of the way to build that momentum in the first place is to have the people on top of your tickets loudly and visibly pushing these ideas into the mainstream. We are not taking the Senate in 2020. That is simply not a valid avenue to plan for now. Can we win it by 2022? Maybe. 2024? sure. We are not shoving M4A down the throats of of the GOP led Senate. So unless you have a really good explanation on how a complete overhaul of the healthcare system will be passed, I do not think M4A is a valid disqualifier for President in 2020.
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Koalas Massacre posted:Just not the time for black folks and other poc I see. I guess we should just wait our turns. don't worry, the usual suspects will be along shortly to inform you why expecting your representatives to represent you is bad actually team biden 2020 is going to die, but it is not going to die clean
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I'm personally just voting on Medicare for Some.
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Koalas Massacre posted:Just not the time for black folks and other poc I see. I guess we should just wait our turns. so what you're saying is i should convince beto he's bisexual that was already on the agenda anyway, tbf
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Bernie would need a minority veep. Gillum or Abrams would be better picks. nina turner would be the best pick fight me
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Koalas Massacre posted:Just not the time for black folks and other poc I see. I guess we should just wait our turns. Harris is a cop and ACAB
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WoodrowSkillson posted:We are not taking the Senate in 2020. That is simply not a valid avenue to plan for now. Can we win it by 2022? Maybe. 2024? sure. We are not shoving M4A down the throats of of the GOP led Senate. So unless you have a really good explanation on how a complete overhaul of the healthcare system will be passed, I do not think M4A is a valid dis qualifier for President in 2020. Again, no one is talking about M4A happening in the near future. It's only going to happen within our lifetimes if we all start demanding it now, though.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:don't worry, the usual suspects will be along shortly to inform you why expecting your representatives to represent you is bad actually i'm not sure i've seen a single biden-2020 supporter on these here forums Majorian posted:Again, no one is talking about M4A happening in the near future. It's only going to happen within our lifetimes if we all start demanding it now, though. I'm talking about m4a happening in the early 2020s 
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Koalas Massacre posted:Yeah changing the legislature is a really big deal! Sad he lost, glad he ran
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VitalSigns posted:Racist fiscally conservative Democrats going down in flames all over the country (despite economically progressive ballot initiatives passing in those same states) is only disturbing if we fail to learn the lesson this election is trying to teach us. Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. Like lol Donnelly gently caress you for throwing your Senate seat away to dogwhistle about immigrants.
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Koalas Massacre posted:Yeah changing the legislature is a really big deal! I hadn't heard about the school board win until last page and yeah, that is a very good thing. There were some outward racist rear end Rs in there before.
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Another thing to be happy about in what I freely admit was a somewhat disappointing election night: state legislatures and officers.
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Condiv posted:nina turner would be the best pick I read this as tina turner and was thinking, you know, controversial but ok
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Barbara Lee as Speaker into President imo. Edit: Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020
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WoodrowSkillson posted:We are not taking the Senate in 2020. That is simply not a valid avenue to plan for now. Can we win it by 2022? Maybe. 2024? sure. We are not shoving M4A down the throats of of the GOP led Senate. So unless you have a really good explanation on how a complete overhaul of the healthcare system will be passed, I do not think M4A is a valid disqualifier for President in 2020. You have literally no idea what the Senate or U.S. political landscape in general will look like in 2020. Even if we can't win in 2020, what good will it be if we take the Senate in 2022 and our own loving president refuses to support M4A?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:p sure Gillum is black Gillum is black and in the VP slot. Doesn't count dude come the gently caress on. GreyjoyBastard posted:so what you're saying is i should convince beto he's bisexual That's the spirit!!
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Lightning Knight posted:Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. The thing he did sucks but he was dead in the water regardless
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Lightning Knight posted:Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. he deserved to lose for that poo poo
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm talking about m4a happening in the early 2020s Well great, I hope you're right! It's still only going to happen if the Democrats actually unite behind the idea.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I read this as tina turner and was thinking, you know, controversial but ok yeah i'm tentatively on board with both these proposals
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WoodrowSkillson posted:We are not taking the Senate in 2020. That is simply not a valid avenue to plan for now. Can we win it by 2022? Maybe. 2024? sure. We are not shoving M4A down the throats of of the GOP led Senate. So unless you have a really good explanation on how a complete overhaul of the healthcare system will be passed, I do not think M4A is a valid disqualifier for President in 2020. "We don't have any ideas and won't do anything" is a disqualifying message, actually
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theflyingorc posted:The thing he did sucks but he was dead in the water regardless Wasn’t polling showing him as up/closer before? Even so gently caress that guy lol.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:We are not taking the Senate in 2020. That is simply not a valid avenue to plan for now. Can we win it by 2022? Maybe. 2024? sure. We are not shoving M4A down the throats of of the GOP led Senate. So unless you have a really good explanation on how a complete overhaul of the healthcare system will be passed, I do not think M4A is a valid disqualifier for President in 2020. If it can be sold to the American public and is popular, then a Republican Senate voting against it makes it a hell of a lot easier to win back the senate in 2022/2024. That's why you push for it. Get these ghouls on the record.
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Mahoning posted:If it can be sold to the American public and is popular, then a Republican Senate voting against it makes it a hell of a lot easier to win back the senate in 2022/2024. That's why you push for it. Get these ghouls on the record. And make your party's name synonymous with issue/suite of issues/platform.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I read this as tina turner and was thinking, you know, controversial but ok This is my favorite Tina Turner gif 
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I'm trying to figure out what to do for North Carolina. I blew up last night in a post because the only positive thing that happened was our R super-majority in the state senate broke. Both houses are still R controlled with a D governor, so now if Cooper vetoes something, it stays dead. Unfortunately, 4 of our 6 amendment proposals passed (protecting fish & wildlife, Marsey's law, 7% income tax cap, and voter ID). We already went through the voter ID crap before and it was struck down, but now we have more conservative judges and a more conservative Supreme Court. I know there were major victories elsewhere, but I'm too depressed about my state to celebrate.
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Lightning Knight posted:Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. Yes. The lesson is "trying to be racist-lite doesn't fool red-staters, and red state voters know what's in their economic self-interest because they vote for it if it shows up on the ballot so appeal to that or go the gently caress home"
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Lightning Knight posted:Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. gently caress Indiana in general for putting me in a position where I had to vote Donnelly just so I didn't have to vote Braun (the libertarian candidate is in favor of doing away with minimum wage and uh, what? on that note)
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