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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Grand Jury testimony, while sealed, is a court record and can't just be burned that easily. what if donald trump sends the border patrol in to forcibly take physical control of the court building bet you didn't think of that
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Mummy Xzibit posted:Remember, if Mueller gets fired, there are plans for large scale same-day or next-day protests. I am going to be pleasantly surprised if there are actually going to be large-scale breaking-into-the-news protests if Mueller gets fired. I always feel like this is a #resistance myth that will never actually materialize because people just don't care that much.
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He should have used Dairy Queen, I hear they're good for u know what
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kidkissinger posted:Literally the last piece of news I heard was Trump's conference where he was saying he had no plans to fire anyone and now this happens He didn't, Kelly fired him, so he's your totally truthful perfect baby boy president big pants, suck it Libtards!
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I can a brilliant plan. First, we fire the special prosecutor. Then, in contravention of standard practices, we burn all their records. Then, when Schiff calls on Mueller to testify on what he found, we claim it's fake news. Then, then they subpoena us, we refuse. Then, when the Supreme Court rules against us, we call it fake news again. Then, when Congress charges us with Contempt, Trump pardons us. Then, when they pass articles of impeachment, we call it fake news a third time and force the Senate to have a very public trial. Like I said, BRILLIANT!
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kidkissinger posted:Literally the last piece of news I heard was Trump's conference where he was saying he had no plans to fire anyone and now this happens Wait, you're saying that Trump blatantly lied about something? 
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kidkissinger posted:Literally the last piece of news I heard was Trump's conference where he was saying he had no plans to fire anyone and now this happens Technically he didn't fire anyone.
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I was pretty sure it was assumed that the Mueller was sharing evidence with the NY AG.
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Tibalt posted:I can a brilliant plan. Uh, hello sir, welcome to Hellworld. Is this your first time here?
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Tibalt posted:I can a brilliant plan. and the beauty of it is, in the winter, the senate simply freezes to death
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Rinkles posted:That would lead to massive conflicts of interest, I'd think. It’s pretty common at the state level. Lots of police departments and local DA offices get to keep any money or items they accuse of a crime (and since it is the item and not you being accused they get to take it first and you have to sue to get it back).
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If I'm Mueller, which I'm not, all of my files are in an encrypted archive in WaPo's Dropbox and I call them with the password at the first sign of fuckery
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If you're freaking out over Sessions and the impact it'll have on Mueller, read this and take some deep breaths. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1060265349009022977
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canepazzo posted:First effect of Jefferson Beleaguered Sessions's resignation: An acquaintance of mine with GOP connections on the Hill seems to believe, in his libertarian brain, that this is the plan: 1) wait until the midterms to make sure the Senate is safely in GOP hands 2) Sessions resigns and Graham gets appointed in his place easily 3) Graham does AG things to move towards pot legalization 4) ??? 5) black people and young people now vote republican forever
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BREAKING https://twitter.com/MattWhitaker46/status/601371359998906368
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Deteriorata posted:Wait, you're saying that Trump blatantly lied about something? I just figured it would be more than a two-hour delay but fair enough I guess. He also was contradicting statements he made at the start of the press conference by the end of it I guess
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:If I'm Mueller, which I'm not, all of my files are in an encrypted archive in WaPo's Dropbox and I call them with the password at the first sign of fuckery Mueller is thought to have been sharing his investigation with the NY AG, which is a lot more likely.
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Spaced God posted:So Trump did this to replace sessions with someone to end Mueller's investigation before the new house is sworn in, right? Up until now, I think he thought populism would keep him safe. But the Democrats winning the House made him poo poo himself. Whether it's really feasible, the possibility in his mind of Senate Republicans turning on him has him scared, and he has to do something about Mueller now.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:If I'm Mueller, which I'm not, all of my files are in an encrypted archive in WaPo's Dropbox and I call them with the password at the first sign of fuckery that's exactly what mueller would say well, actually, what he would say is that he's not commenting on whether he's robert mueller
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Tibalt posted:I can a brilliant plan. Big flaw in the plan is SOCTUS rules in your favor and it all unravels.
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on the bright side, there's no reason to fire Rosenstein, a loyal republican appointee no longer in a problematic position bright side for Rod, I mean
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evilweasel posted:Mueller is thought to have been sharing his investigation with the NY AG, which is a lot more likely. also NJ to a lesser degree eke out posted:on the bright side, there's no reason to fire Rosenstein, a loyal republican appointee no longer in a problematic position he's still going to beg for his life and tell donald how big his hands are, though
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Sulphagnist posted:I am going to be pleasantly surprised if there are actually going to be large-scale breaking-into-the-news protests if Mueller gets fired. I always feel like this is a #resistance myth that will never actually materialize because people just don't care that much. I mean, there are over 400,000 signed up to participate if it happens, in over 900 locations across the country. Whether those people show up or not, who knows, but the infrastructure/planning is there.  https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/
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Hahaha, holy poo poo America, it just never stops
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Ripoff posted:So once Mueller is fired and the Senate goes into fully-self-debasing boot-licker mode for Strong Orange Daddy, I’m guessing it’s an open, consequences-less 24/7 crime spree for the billionaires in the country? It wasn't already?
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Lycus posted:Up until now, I think he thought populism would keep him safe. But the Democrats winning the House made him poo poo himself. Whether it's really feasible, the possibility in his mind of Senate Republicans turning on him has him scared, and he has to do something about Mueller now. My feeling is that he's wanted to shut this investigation down since it began, he'd been stopped by Republicans worried about the midterms, and now that those are over he's as far from the next election as he can be so what better time to provoke a constitutional crisis? You've got two whole years to change the subject.
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Ugh, he mined for bitcoin didn't he?
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Please Mueller do everything you can to save your poo poo fedex it all to your uncle or slip parts to your interns or give it all to the caravan I dunno just something ok 
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Lmao, the Acting Attorney General is a loving gamer and would be twitch streamer A fresh new hell
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cochise posted:Ugh, he mined for bitcoin didn't he? the first attorney general to have probably lost thousands of dollars investing in BTC
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Trabisnikof posted:Big flaw in the plan is SOCTUS rules in your favor and it all unravels. even if we assume Beer, Gorsuch, Alito, and Roberts all say "lol no the president can't be subpoenaed" (which I am dubious of for various reasons depending on Justice - for one thing, Alito never met a subpoena he thought was too broad or a police power he thought was fascist enough), Thomas was part of the majority on Clinton v Jones and I trust his particular flavor of insanity to be consistent and not influenced by such things as "consequences" edit: don't get me wrong, we're officially on the train to crazytown, but I don't think SCOTUS blocking subpoenas of the president is a remotely likely failure state and in general i'm pretty optimistic for the next season or two's wacky hijinks
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I for one am relieved sweet centrist old lady Nancy Pelosi intends to work with the Totally Normal and Reasonable Republican Party
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evilweasel posted:Mueller is thought to have been sharing his investigation with the NY AG, which is a lot more likely. I’m not American so I don’t know but is the timing of this to try and squash poo poo before the new Congress seats so that if they subpoena muellers files the DoJ can just say ‘oh whoops we closed that investigation and deleted all that poo poo, sorry!’?
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Barry Foster posted:Hahaha, holy poo poo America, it just never stops I take half a day off from paying attention and Sessions gets fired? Cool.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:even if we assume Beer, Gorsuch, Alito, and Roberts all say "lol no the president can't be subpoenaed" (which I am dubious of for various reasons depending on Justice - for one thing, Alito never met a subpoena he thought was too broad or a police power he thought was fascist enough), Thomas was part of the majority on Clinton v Jones and I trust his particular flavor of insanity to be consistent and not influenced by such things as "consequences" Unfortunately, Ginsburg will finally keel over by then
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Mueller will be humiliatingly fired and the entire contents of his investigation will be leaked to mock him for finding nothing!
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TulliusCicero posted:Lmao, the Acting Attorney General is a loving gamer and would be twitch streamer
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squirrelzipper posted:I’m not American so I don’t know but is the timing of this to try and squash poo poo before the new Congress seats so that if they subpoena muellers files the DoJ can just say ‘oh whoops we closed that investigation and deleted all that poo poo, sorry!’? Unlikely. The most likely reason is simply that Republicans made him wait until after the midterms because they were concerned it would hurt them. The midterms are over, so Trump is now doing what he always wanted to do.
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