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Kale posted:Anyway I think it's too little too late for Trump to try to gently caress with Mueller. People within the country still largely support his probe, he's apparently very close to finishing and presenting his findings to congress and there's an incoming Democratic house that could just subpoena him and have him present his findings if he's actually fired. Glad to see Sessions and his blatant racism go even though he's getting replaced by some other stupid possibly less judicially qualified Trump sycophant. Time will tell if this becomes a better with the devil you knew type situation or not. There's a good likelihood that Trump has convinced himself that yesterday really was a win for him so he sees no downside. Also he's really dumb.
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Lightning Knight posted:This is actually a big fuckin' deal and hasn't been highlighted because everyone is too busy Kind Eyes Beto
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cr0y posted:Anyone else reading into Sessions line "At your request i am resigning". Like obviously he was forced out but why announce it in a formal document? he wants to make clear he was forced out and that he thinks he did a super job oppressing minorities and that he thinks he is being unjustly treated (rather than being given the golden hood and robes he deserves)
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evilweasel posted:yeah, and you'd need to be a loving idiot to think nancy pelosi is a bipartisan decorum person. during the obama years she was always the much more hard-nosed no compromises dem leader, got the house to pass all sorts of liberal stuff that didn't pass the senate, and successfully denied republicans support on innumerable occasions by keeping her caucus united Worth remembering that when we've needed/wanted Dems to hold the line and they've failed, it's been in the Senate, not the House. Granted, Senate's had more opportunities. cr0y posted:Anyone else reading into Sessions line "At your request i am resigning". Like obviously he was forced out but why announce it in a formal document? Protecting his ego. He's enough of a true-believing shitheel to afford Donald the extra flexibility in appointing a successor that his 'resignation' grants Donald, but he's also a proud shithead who wants it on the record that, in practical terms, he was fired.
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Lightning Knight posted:This is actually a big fuckin' deal and hasn't been highlighted because everyone is too busy The change to the texas judiciary is huge
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FuturePastNow posted:What Pelosi says now, in the lame duck period before Dems have any power in the House, is completely irrelevant They're relevant if she gets the gavel. You're right if she loses the speaker race then its irrelevant.
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Jaxyon posted:There's a good likelihood that Trump has convinced himself that yesterday really was a win for him so he sees no downside. his press conference this morning suggests he knows it was bad and is pissed off that even though he can now fire mueller democrats can subpoena all the stuff he wants hidden (and have no obligation to keep it secret)
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On topic: what can and should the party do to appeal to rural voters? I think the "move left" answer is too simplistic. I feel like there have to be enough rural people who care about something other than their stupid white supremacy to win over those regions. And learning to win in rural zones is probably easier than abolishing the Senate.
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FuturePastNow posted:What Pelosi says now, in the lame duck period before Dems have any power in the House, is completely irrelevant i mean, she's been saying it for quite a long time before that as well. i don't think she's just gonna turn on a dime and start being good, but we'll see
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe try to be funny and people will realize it is a joke? this is an impossible request when shitposting about politics on the internet in 2018 is undertaken with the urgency of political activism. people are hyper vigilant to find enemies and defeat them to get the catharsis they otherwise can't gain in life. the current political climate forces people to be humorless and then it's just complaints, circular endless complaints you can't count on anyone to interpret a statement as a joke on this comedy forum when politics is deadly serious business
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Groovelord Neato posted:chuck schumer needs to go so loving bad. It's not clear to me who would replace him or how the Senate rules for this work. No point in Bernie doing it if he's gonna run in 2020. I feel like Gillibrand would be better at it if she's not gonna run, she might actually put up a fight as opposed to Chuch "violence on both sides" Schumer. Jaxyon posted:The change to the texas judiciary is huge Yeah it fuckin' owns!
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Groovelord Neato posted:chuck schumer needs to go so loving bad. I cant wait for AOC to primary the poo poo out of him in 2022
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Phoix posted:https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1060285349677686784 This Nadler guy sounds cool and good
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cr0y posted:Anyone else reading into Sessions line "At your request i am resigning". Like obviously he was forced out but why announce it in a formal document? They still don’t like each other. Knives are a favored weapon of elves due to their naturally high DEX.
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Lycus posted:I think losing the House made him feel like he's between a rock and a hard place. They've been planning this since summer, Graham straight up admitted it. They just begged Cheetoboy to wait until they were consequence free.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:because he's real loving mad that he won't get to ruin any more nonwhite and/or drughaver lives Drughaver nothin' Sessions used that as a legal excuse to lock up as many minorities as he could. We could have had national recreational use of weed by now if it wasn't for JBS III, and his crusade against people not pale enough.
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cr0y posted:Anyone else reading into Sessions line "At your request i am resigning". Like obviously he was forced out but why announce it in a formal document? Because like the rest of America Jeff hates Trump and wants to put blame squarely on him. As for WHY he’s retiring? If I were in his position, I’d be thinking about how much of a nuisance the Republican House was for Eric Holder, and that this seems as good a time as any to get out.
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evilweasel posted:Did anyone else try this approach, and did it work? One thing I don't get is how Corday got beaten badly while Brown won, despite Corday being the face of wall street regulation in favor of poor people. Cordray suffered from a bit of a charisma deficit, from what I understand. I haven't seen much of him speaking, but from what I've heard, he was boring af. Unfortunately, not too many high-profile Democratic Senatorial candidates went all-in on the economic populism platform. I think they would have done better overall if they had.
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I don't know why we shouldn't think that there is anything that Mueller or house dems can find in terms of crimes of Trump and his regime that will matter in terms of impeachment or in terms of his base votes in 2020. He's for all intents and purposes a dictator right now.
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evilweasel posted:he wants to make clear he was forced out and that he thinks he did a super job oppressing minorities and that he thinks he is being unjustly treated (rather than being given the golden hood and robes he deserves) I was alluding to the fact that fired vs resigned means a lot in terms of whether trump can legally appoint someone vs having to be confirmed if I recall correctly?
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Koalas Massacre posted:Ok let me make it clear, in the spirit of the post I was replying to, he is gone from that role. This is really an unpleasant habit I don’t think anyone should indulge in. If you have a problem with what someone had said, you should quote them and be specific. Make these unprovable and broad statements about ill defined groups comes off as variably defensive, condescending, or straw-many. If you can just point to exactly the person you mean you side step this issue completely.
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KickerOfMice posted:Drughaver nothin' he hates white drughavers too, just less so see: his handling of the opioid crisis
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TARDISman posted:That was last year. We are post midterms, so the worst thing Republicans will suffer is some longer commutes because of protests. They believe that a Mueller firing will subside in the 2 years between now and 2020. If they believed that, then Sessions never would have recused himself over a year and 8 months ago. Unless you're arguing that there's a big difference over those four months, especially when they now have a Dem house that will investigate all the things Mueller was, plus investigate his firing. corn in the bible posted:meanwhile here in texas the dsa is winning local primaries and elections lol And they're doing that by choosing not to go to war with a strawman Pelosi because she talked about the faults of capitalism without saying the magical word socialism. The DSA is choosing to actually try to win primaries and get nominations, not just sulking and saying they totally would have won and deserved to win, but they're too pure and good. Trabisnikof posted:If you're so confident they can't win, why are you scared? If I were scared, my advise wouldn't be "Maybe try winning." Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:It's not clear to me who would replace him or how the Senate rules for this work. He gets elected by vote of a majority of the democratic caucus, but nobody is interested in getting rid of him. But she was more relevant because the minority has some power in the Senate but none in the House, but now Pelosi is where it's at and is much more relevant. Schumer, not so much.
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corn in the bible posted:Kind Eyes Beto I sacrifice two Democratic presidential candidates in order to summon "Kind Eyes White Beto!" (or would that be White Eyes Kind Beto) John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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luxury handset posted:this is an impossible request when shitposting about politics on the internet in 2018 is undertaken with the urgency of political activism. people are hyper vigilant to find enemies and defeat them to get the catharsis they otherwise can't gain in life. the current political client forces people to be humorless and then it's just complaints, circular endless complaints Then if you think its impossible to be funny enough to make a joke, why use that as an excuse at all? For someone who is repeatedly bellyaching about posts designed to make their poster feel smug you sure seem to make a lot of them. Why not just put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore? It seems like it would leave the thread in the state you desire.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:he hates white drughavers too, just less so Or his refusal to join the Klan.
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Hellblazer187 posted:On topic: what can and should the party do to appeal to rural voters? I think the "move left" answer is too simplistic. I feel like there have to be enough rural people who care about something other than their stupid white supremacy to win over those regions. And learning to win in rural zones is probably easier than abolishing the Senate. Someone brought this up in the Dems 2020 thread, but Klobuchar's success in MN brings up a few possibilities. Actually targeting policies directly at their needs is a good idea - stuff like expanding broadband access and improving infrastructure.
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mcmagic posted:I don't know why we shouldn't think that there is anything that Mueller or house dems can find in terms of crimes of Trump and his regime that will matter in terms of impeachment or in terms of his base votes in 2020. He's for all intents and purposes a dictator right now. mcmagic you don't actually believe this tripe because if you did you wouldn't spend all your free time shitposting here.
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Trabisnikof posted:Then if you think its impossible to be funny enough to make a joke, why use that as an excuse at all? "i dare you to put me on ignore or else i will post terribly" is not a compelling argument (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The most amazing thing about this guy is that Trump managed to find him Trump saw him on TV calling it a witch-hunt.
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mcmagic posted:I don't know why we shouldn't think that there is anything that Mueller or house dems can find in terms of crimes of Trump and his regime that will matter in terms of impeachment or in terms of his base votes in 2020. He's for all intents and purposes a dictator right now. Well, poo poo, bet you'd better go surrender then. Hang up your account while you're at it
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As someone who's been following Brown for a while, I think he's got a couple meaningful lessons: - He's big on economic issues, including economic populism. He both advocates for decently leftist approaches, but also bucks on local issues with stuff like supporting Trump's steel tariffs. - He's pretty cautious in how he talks on cultural issues. That's not to say he's centrist, because he's not, but he has a measured approach that feels like 'hey, let's talk this through' rather than pushing - He's got a really authentic likable personality and is pretty drat good on social media with stuff like showing his home life, his family, etc. He's authentic, or he feels authentic, which counts for a lot. Obviously this is hard to quantify as a lesson for other candidates, but I really do think his personality is like 50% of his success by itself, especially compared to old limp fish like Donnelly. Brown is why, to some extent, I think the "Dems should go left / No, Dems should go centrist!" argument is misguided, because it's not either/or. There are some issues (economic ones) where Dems generally have a lot of room to run left nationally, especially if they can do so in an authentically working class way. There are others, like culture war, where, unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear it's a pretty uphill battle, and something that meaningfully agitates the other side in an equal or disproportionate way.
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Majorian posted:Someone brought this up in the Dems 2020 thread, but Klobuchar's success in MN brings up a few possibilities. Actually targeting policies directly at their needs is a good idea - stuff like expanding broadband access and improving infrastructure. jobs too. a lot of rural areas have a dearth of jobs. and no, i don't mean jobs retraining programs are the answer, or telling truckers to learn php or something
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How was the case quality on the GOP side in Ohio. That could potentially explain some of the Brown/Cordroy disconnect. That means that there are a pretty large amount of ticket splitters in Ohio too. I thought they were extinct and the only thing that mattered wax turnout, but I think we can drop that hypothesis now.
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Fulchrum posted:And they're doing that by choosing not to go to war with a strawman Pelosi because she talked about the faults of capitalism without saying the magical word socialism. The DSA is choosing to actually try to win primaries, not just sulking and saying they totally would have won and deserved to win, but they're too pure and good. Where are you getting this absurd idea that the people here who are to the left of you aren't actually involved in politics IRL, and are just sulking and complaining online?
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