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EimiYoshikawa posted:I've seen at least two let's players that totally fell for it. And the 'twins' really go out of their way to stab the other in the back for no benefit other than spite.
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joylessdivision posted:Or you know, not build games that are tantalizing for cross over and then not actually bother to balance anything to work together. I think I've made this post before but I think a lot of Masquerade's original sprawlyness came from trying to encapsulate too much mythos at once. Gangrel for werewolves, various blood mages for people trying to play wizards, people looking to play Spike/Buffy, and each game released after that was realized independently. How does cross-splat play work for ChronD releases? I've yet to read any of the books I bought because the r/relationships thread in GBS is a laugh riot. Also, what was this about? "Crescent Birthmarks Common in LA, Doctors Say LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA-According to sources at the Los Angeles County Board of Health, doctors at area hospitals have reported an uncommon number of crescent-shaped birthmarks appearing on female infants born within the past two weeks."
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:How does cross-splat play work for ChronD releases? It takes some thinking about because nobody even tried to make the splats equal in power, but they have certain traits that occupy the same role for each splat so that you can figure out how powers actually work when used against somebody from a different splat, unlike oWoD where you'd frequently auto-succeed at disabling Caine's powers just because Caine doesn't have a Primal Urge stat.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I think I've made this post before but I think a lot of Masquerade's original sprawlyness came from trying to encapsulate too much mythos at once. Gangrel for werewolves, various blood mages for people trying to play wizards, people looking to play Spike/Buffy, and each game released after that was realized independently. The Last Daughter of Eve, who will decide the outcome of Gehenna and the survival of the things that still live, bears a crescent birthmark.
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Loomer posted:The Last Daughter of Eve, who will decide the outcome of Gehenna and the survival of the things that still live, bears a crescent birthmark. And the kids were far from the only ones. There's one vampire, a narrator, in the main Revised book and somebody else with it in Time of Thin Blood if I remember right.
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Yeah. The Last Daughter of Eve is a collective title, as it turns out.
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Nov 8, 2018 04:42
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It turns out that the Last Daughter of Eve is readers like you.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:
Poorly, but in general the power stat/resistance stat are explicitly transparent cross-game so you can generally resolve poo poo happening.
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It’s always great to hear about oWoD Hunters being superpowered badasses because I’ve only ever played nWoD Hunters, who are guys with shotguns in a pickup truck who are really, really hoping that there’s enough stolen dynamite in the truck to be able to take out the fledgeling Vampire before it realizes what’s happening.
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Oh good Christ no, CoD Hunters have a bunch of stuff that makes them more likely to survive actual combat. The Imbued are 95% just people, and all the monsters in the oWoD are so much scarier than the CoD versions. It's just that getting off cheating bullshit scales much better than being good at fighting. Like hell, CoD Hunters can raise the dead. Boy howdy would oWoD Hunters have really liked to have something like that.
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Mors Rattus posted:It turns out that the Last Daughter of Eve is readers like you. the girl reading this
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blastron posted:It’s always great to hear about oWoD Hunters being superpowered badasses because I’ve only ever played nWoD Hunters, who are guys with shotguns in a pickup truck who are really, really hoping that there’s enough stolen dynamite in the truck to be able to take out the fledgeling Vampire before it realizes what’s happening. Having played and run Reckoning both, that's also what it pretty much comes down to. A lot of the Imbued's powers are for tracking or avoidance. Maybe a handful are direct combat, and none of them are the equivalent of the nastiness one of the other main splats can rain down.
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MollyMetroid posted:the girl reading this I always knew my life was a cosmic joke.
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I'm pondering running RevMage for a couple of people who haven't played it. What would be a good theme for a short/medium campaign, 10-20 sessions? Disclaimer: DONT START MAGECHAT AGAIN, I just want a good generalist plot hook that encapsulates the horror of awakening and fighting back against the Consensus in a meaningful but dangerous sense. I'd like to include going beyond death, but the 2nd/Rev Underworld isn't really my cup of tea. Would it be worth buying Geist:tSE for this?
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Tias posted:I'm pondering running RevMage for a couple of people who haven't played it. What would be a good theme for a short/medium campaign, 10-20 sessions? Disclaimer: DONT START MAGECHAT AGAIN, I just want a good generalist plot hook that encapsulates the horror of awakening and fighting back against the Consensus in a meaningful but dangerous sense. I think you'd want to look at Wraith/Wraith adjacent books instead of Geist, but I also wouldn't run a Mage game unless you already have a theme in mind because I've found that it just ends up being the in-game version of magechat without a strong guiding hand
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Honestly now I wanna run a Reckoning game.
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Mulva posted:Oh good Christ no, CoD Hunters have a bunch of stuff that makes them more likely to survive actual combat. The Imbued are 95% just people, and all the monsters in the oWoD are so much scarier than the CoD versions. It's just that getting off cheating bullshit scales much better than being good at fighting. Like hell, CoD Hunters can raise the dead. Boy howdy would oWoD Hunters have really liked to have something like that. I'd say CoD 2E supernaturals are stronger than the oWOD ones (other than multiple actions, but that's mainly because after some point every game designer realized the action economy deserves respect and love), but Reckoning Hunters are indeed way weaker than T3 Vigil hunters, even weaker than some T2 Hunters too. Reckoning was probably one of the most effective horror games White Wolf released, which was hilarious given the pictures for the book were chosen by someone who spent the last weekend binging on Dusk Til Dawn, Buffy and Blade. I am also getting an itch to run Reckoning with the present rules.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I've yet to read any of the books I bought because the r/relationships thread in GBS is a laugh riot. i didn't know about this and didn't need to know about this, you rear end in a top hat. there's over three thousand pages to read, drat you, three thousand!
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Rand Brittain posted:It takes some thinking about because nobody even tried to make the splats equal in power, but they have certain traits that occupy the same role for each splat so that you can figure out how powers actually work when used against somebody from a different splat, unlike oWoD where you'd frequently auto-succeed at disabling Caine's powers just because Caine doesn't have a Primal Urge stat. 01011001 posted:Poorly, but in general the power stat/resistance stat are explicitly transparent cross-game so you can generally resolve poo poo happening. That's good to hear, I'm not planning on running mixed PC teams but I think two games of different splat PC groups set in the same region would be fun, or at least have most of the plot write itself. Mages agitating spirits that werewolves have to put down, vampires accidentally busting up Infrastructure in their push to gentrify their hunting grounds, an NPC demon leaking the location of beast lairs to hunter squads, kind of a "volleyball of problems" the two teams toss back and forth to each other. edit- if I had my poo poo together for my current game i'd have made a minimap of the city outlining the Shin Ra-style antagonists' holdings and headquarters, let them target different places to make other encounters less difficult. For example, taking out the robotics lab means they can't field soldiers with exoskeletons or drones, attacking barracks reduces the number of footsoldiers. My players ended up not going for that kind of crunchy approach, maybe if I ever figure out PBP games I'll give that a try. Loomer posted:The Last Daughter of Eve, who will decide the outcome of Gehenna and the survival of the things that still live, bears a crescent birthmark. drat! that's a lot to ask of a baby. Also, hey, I've found some tweets alleging that V5 canon holds that the ongoing Chechen purge is the work of gay vampires? Is that for real? https://twitter.com/Ettin64/status/1060494957994098689 Are we not doing the "some monsters from history are too vile for the world of darkness" thing? Cuz there's definitely tasteful ways they could have addressed this but goddamn this isn't one of them. PHIZ KALIFA fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Are we not doing the "some monsters from history are too vile for the world of darkness" thing? Cuz there's definitely tasteful ways they could have addressed this but goddamn this isn't one of them. I swear they'll take two steps forward with something like 'huh, that is an interesting direction to take Chicago' and not take one step back, but like pole vault backwards. Remember how in Revised there was a big move that vampires didn't cause widescale misery because then that takes responsibility from humans who do it in the real world? They should have stuck with that. And yes, I realize that it's more about hunting vampires than vampires doing it, but at the same time that doesn't make it really better.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Also, hey, I've found some tweets alleging that V5 canon holds that the ongoing Chechen purge is the work of gay vampires? Is that for real? https://twitter.com/Ettin64/status/1060494957994098689 Don't forget this. https://twitter.com/Ettin64/status/1060529729327947776
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Does anyone have a link to the documents that lists all the "automatic" abilities that Vampires and other splats get? Sorry to have to ask, but I couldn't find it in the first page or any of the recent ones.
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It's always loving wild to see contemporary/living actual folks show up in the horror story that is the WoD. Makes me wonder how they handled folks like Mister Rogers and the like.
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Dr. Poz posted:Does anyone have a link to the documents that lists all the "automatic" abilities that Vampires and other splats get? Sorry to have to ask, but I couldn't find it in the first page or any of the recent ones. This one? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PST2RffkiDCJQ-w2Fptcyhkza9PQ__vATOpfgiDC9F0/edit?usp=sharing
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citybeatnik posted:Makes me wonder how they handled folks like Mister Rogers and the like. Clearly a Technocracy pawn designed to force the youngest generation to conform. Why, realizing how he was a tool of the Man caused countless Verbena to run away from their middle class homes!
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It's a pretty bad decision for them to base things off of current real world stuff because it's not only tasteless in most cases but also made obsolete pretty quickly. The Beckoning in Syria was crazier when V5 was announced and they had the LARP's but Syria, and the tyrannical chaos of ISIS, are kind of under wraps at the moment. Kadyrov is probably not going anywhere. He's Putin's personal warlord and keeping things under control in Chechnya, a huge deal to the average Russian, but it's very possible he could get assassinated by someone or fall out of favor soon because things flip that fast in the world of mafia like dictatorships. They should just file off the serial numbers and call it a day because honestly just using real people is super lazy and problematic for a number of reasons beyond blaming these monsters on fantasy monsters.
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citybeatnik posted:This one? Oh yeah, that's the good stuff. Thanks!
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Mors Rattus posted:Glad that doc is still seeing use! Did you put this together? If so, thanks! It's definitely getting use. One question for anyone who may know: Is this Requiem specific?
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Dr. Poz posted:Did you put this together? If so, thanks! It's definitely getting use. One question for anyone who may know: Is this Requiem specific? Yeah. More specifically, it's the stuff they get for free in their most recent edition. If you're running VtR 1e or VtM it isn't going to line up.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:It's a pretty bad decision for them to base things off of current real world stuff because it's not only tasteless in most cases but also made obsolete pretty quickly. The Beckoning in Syria was crazier when V5 was announced and they had the LARP's but Syria, and the tyrannical chaos of ISIS, are kind of under wraps at the moment. Kadyrov is probably not going anywhere. He's Putin's personal warlord and keeping things under control in Chechnya, a huge deal to the average Russian, but it's very possible he could get assassinated by someone or fall out of favor soon because things flip that fast in the world of mafia like dictatorships. Plus, what the hell kind of a story hook does that even provide? Pretend killing a capital-m-Monster in my tabletop game while he continues on his purge in the actual, real world? I don't need an entire setting book of "Fark But Scary," the news is already scary enough! We all know that humans are the real monster, it's the one universal fact internet-enabled first worlders can never escape. Making an actual war crime the fault of an imaginary vampire cabal is, just, boring.
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I've got an itch to finally play Vampire for the first time. Any particular reason 5e is a good or bad choice to do that?
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Good: - some of the new character mechanisms better reflect the mood of personal horror the game keeps pretending to aim for - a few interesting metaplot developments Bad: - V20 just finished compiling and updating the best of old world, so if your players have a strong concept for what they want to do V20's more likely to have rules for it than V5 - Some of the metaplot developments are bad. (See above.) - Requiem is also cool, I hear? edit- In your shoes, for a first time game, I'd choose Requiem 2nd edition. The Chronicles of Darkness games are more thematically concise than the V20 line, and both V20 and V5 suffer (in my view) from the sprawling lore they draw from. I like V20 because it's a streamlined version of the system I already know, starting fresh I think you'll like Requiem 2nd edition best. edit edit- I don't have a lot of personal experience with either Requiem so choose the edition you prefer! PHIZ KALIFA fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Good: Seconding this. If you want just play Vampire because you like the idea of playing a vampire game and have no prior experience, play Requiem. And honestly, I might even recommend 1e over 2e for Requiem just because 2e did a lot to address specific complaints about 1e but it did so by making the game more dependent on controversial mechanics. Nothing gross, just Conditions, Beats, etc. I find 1e much more accessible with an upgrade to 2e further down the line once you know what you like but it might be easier to just play 2e out of the gate. V20 is your bag if you just want the gonzo craziness of Masquerade - for instance, if you're coming from Bloodlines and your table wants that but more, play V20, it's quite good for what it is. V5 is... I don't recommend playing V5. In another 4 or 5 years when we can basically make a 'fan cut' of V5 that excludes the worst parts and cherry picks the best, it might be worth it, but right now it's a couple of good ideas in a stew of truly terrible ideas (and awful layout and terrible art and...)
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Also, hey, I've found some tweets alleging that V5 canon holds that the ongoing Chechen purge is the work of gay vampires? Is that for real? The details are a bit different (the 'media controversy' about gay people being persecuted is just part of the Masquerade to hide what's really going on. Kurieg posted the right paragraph, it's from the Camarilla book which has a large section called, 'Official Report of My Three Years' Mission in Chechnya, the Abrek Vampire Free State' nofather fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Mendrian posted:V20 is your bag if you just want the gonzo craziness of Masquerade - for instance, if you're coming from Bloodlines and your table wants that but more, play V20, it's quite good for what it is. What in particular does 20 recreate /capture about Bloodlines?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What in particular does 20 recreate /capture about Bloodlines? It's the game Bloodlines is directly based on, but you only have to buy one or a few pretty good books that were written in the last decade to get all of it, instead of dozens of books from 20 years ago of wildly varying quality (many are lovely). Revised (third edition, from '98ish) is pretty okay, too, and it's not 500 pages long but still contains the core elements for a mostly "complete" experience. So that's not a bad idea either. And more than V20, it's the specific edition Bloodlines was based on. It might be harder to get hold of though.
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