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Shifty Pony posted:Same. But Mississippi has always existed 
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Shifty Pony posted:Same. Well, that's ending soon, since SCOTUS can just declare things nationwide if Trump gets enough picks
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Kimsemus posted:It was Ted Cruz though. That doesn't explain the down-ballot effects.
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corn in the bible posted:Well, that's ending soon, since SCOTUS can just declare things nationwide if Trump gets enough picks With RBG in the hospital... that could be sooner than later 
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Random Stranger posted:It's hard to imagine a worse option for attorney general than Jeff Sessions. I mean, a randomly selected openly racist sheriff, Don Jr., or a mystically animated statue of a confederate general would all be worse choices, but they'd never get past the senate. Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane or the dude from Smokey and the Bandit.
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Nov 8, 2018 16:03
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I think Beto needs to keep his organization intact and challenge Cornyn in 2020. Cornyn is a fossil and has no idea how to run a real campaign anymore. Beto would be blown out by Cornyn in a presidential year. There are a lot more democrats in Texas than previous years, but there are a LOT of Republicans
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I think Beto needs to keep his organization intact and challenge Cornyn in 2020. Cornyn is a fossil and has no idea how to run a real campaign anymore. Oh I absolutely agree. And here's the thing, if Beto goes all in again, as popular as he is, there's a very good chance that even if he loses again he will push more Democrats into Republican seats at a state level which will go a long way to unfucking everything. Kimsemus posted:It was Ted Cruz though. And he barely held on during an off year Tell me, what happens in a Presidential Election Year when Texas actually recorded more votes in the 2018 general election than the 2016 one? Man, I don't know who in the Texas Politics thread called it but they sure were right. Beto getting a narrow loss is something that everyone else will freak about about but will just pump us Texas Democrats up. Everyone else can bitch, whine and moan all they want but for the first time I can ever remember we feel we have a loving chance and I, at least, will fight to keep that chance alive.
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It bothers me that I am so desensitized to murder that RBG being injured registers 10x more than a mass shooting
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Jarmak posted:That doesn't explain the down-ballot effects. What? Yes it does. The Republican poo poo governor was re-elected by more than half a million when Cruz won by a mere 200k Certainly Beto had down-ballot effects in major cities voting in local elections but not statewide
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Sure, Beto is free to run in 2020 and it might do wonders for more local elections like it did this week, but if you people out in the sane parts of the country think that he's flipping John Cornyn you're a goddamn idiot
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Nov 8, 2018 16:05
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Can't confirm but some reports are saying a neighbour of Long describes him as a military veteran with PTSD.
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Nov 8, 2018 16:06
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Alkydere posted:Oh I absolutely agree. And here's the thing, if Beto goes all in again, as popular as he is, there's a very good chance that even if he loses again he will push more Democrats into Republican seats at a state level which will go a long way to unfucking everything. I don't disagree, and I'm not saying Beto et al won't have a shot in 2020, but I'm also saying that Beto was a likable guy running against one of the most hated politicians in modern american history by BOTH parties.
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I still don't understand how the people of Texas could go against the wishes of Known Awesome Texan Willie Nelson by not electing Beto. 
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CuddleCryptid posted:It bothers me that I am so desensitized to murder that RBG being injured registers 10x more than a mass shooting
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Blitz7x posted:What? Yes it does. Being elected by more than half a million is still worse than governors have done in the past, and some local judges and stuff got flipped even in weird places. it owns gently caress, 700 more people in west texas and will hurd would have been out of a job and god, that would have been so nice
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Cornyn does not have any of the major drawbacks that Ted Cruz does-- he basically considered the standard Texas Republican by conservatives I have talked to. Beto would be taken down easily by him in 2020, so he should wait a bit before making a return to politics and focus on using his campaign infrastructure to help the state Dems (but they're incompetent so maybe that won't work unless he's in charge).
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Kimsemus posted:But Mississippi has always existed I said "increasingly", that should cover the continued existence of civil rights hellholes like Mississippi.
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Alkydere posted:I suspect you and a lot of people are underestimating what Beto did in Texas. That "Republican in Texas" advantage might not be as strong as people believe it is anymore after this year's election. He finally, finally fired up an eternally depressed section of democratic voters in a way they haven't been in over a decade. His efforts were a massive tailwind for a bunch of state and local level positions that are now solid Dem. Including how every elected judge in Houston was flipped from R to D, with several being outright DSA. He did so well he actually broke a (local) gerrymander to the point it worked against Republicans: https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1060540663106809856 I think that Beto basically demonstrated Texas isn't there yet - he lost despite being an ideal candidate, in a very favorable year, against a terrible candidate - but he only lost by 2.5%. I don't think that he's gonna win if he runs in 2020 - Cornyn isn't Cruz, and running when Trump is on the ballot will be much harder. But I think that winning local elections has given Texas dems a power base and a deeper bench, and now they need to spend the next two years trying to register the latino community to vote - everything I read was basically that even this year Democrats didn't do a good enough job with latinos, because you need a different outreach strategy, and there's still a ton of votes there that you can get if you put in the effort and build latino-specific registration and turnout operations. Politics is weird though - you've got someone like Beto who just demonstrated he's a phenomenal talent, and now he's going to be basically unemployed for two years and you've got to find a good spot for him to run in 2020 and (aside from VP) I can't think of any good ones. A statewide Texas office is likely to be a loser (if there are even any up for election in 2020 aside from the Senate), and a more local office may be too much of a downgrade.
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Apparently RBG fell and broke some ribs at court? RIP the Supreme Court.
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Lid posted:Can't confirm but some reports are saying a neighbour of Long describes him as a military veteran with PTSD. that doesnt' exclude the incel theory
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Prester Jane posted:Manchin was the deciding vote to put a massive anti-lgbt and anti-woman bigot on to the Supreme Court- where said bigot is promptly going to work very hard to take away rights from those groups. At the time support for Mansion was justified because he was necessary to flip the Senate, and like all mcgarty posters who objected I was lectured repeatedly on how flipping the Senate would justify all the ill that Manchin was doing. This is false, he was not the deciding vote
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Lid posted:Can't confirm but some reports are saying a neighbour of Long describes him as a military veteran with PTSD. Cops are doing a press conference right now and confirmed he was a marine at some point then all the reporters started asking about PTSD. They gave out this name too but I already forgot it.
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friendbot2000 posted:I don't think this is true. Doug Jones won through the votes of black men and women. We can do that again. Texas showed us that EVERY state can be competitive. Democrats just need a candidate with charisma that will bring people to the polls. I know that things look bleak because...Alabama, but every state can be won if you run an actual person and not an empty suit. Doug Jones does have kind of an electricity and charisma, if you live here at least, just from being a giant slayer, and the guy who prosecuted the Birmingham bombings. His support for CHIP really helped get him through and I think if he is vocal about a couple of red meat working class issues like fight for fifteen and guaranteed family leave he has a shot. And he held firm on important votes like Kavanaugh even when he had political cover. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:He did so well he actually broke a (local) gerrymander to the point it worked against Republicans: yeah and also the entirety of houston's court system is now run by democrats lol
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:that doesnt' exclude the incel theory Not at all
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Lid posted:Can't confirm but some reports are saying a neighbour of Long describes him as a military veteran with PTSD. Okay, but this was very clearly premeditated. Someone doesn't make smoke grenades in the middle of a PTSD attack
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corn in the bible posted:yeah and also the entirety of houston's court system is now run by democrats lol it's still stunning to me that houston - a giant parking lot filled with oil and gas companies - turned blue
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CuddleCryptid posted:Okay, but this was very clearly premeditated. Someone doesn't make smoke grenades in the middle of a PTSD attack if you already own them though... you can buy e-smoke grenades from even paintball stores for like 2 bucks a pop.
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Kimsemus posted:No they can't. The standard is constitutional. It's the thread that runs through everything from Terry v Ohio through Heller & McDonald. To contort the standard in this way would basically destroy it. It's also VERY hard to move as a needle of judgment since it's been deemed to be written into the constitution.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Okay, but this was very clearly premeditated. Someone doesn't make smoke grenades in the middle of a PTSD attack Don't mistake saying PTSD as if it explains or justifies this. 99.9% of PTSD aren't doing this. He's a murderer and will not be OUR VETS.
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Nov 8, 2018 16:11
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"Now that I've personally rigged my own election, later shitlords! See you in Savannah!"
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Hahahaha I don't know if I'm being naive here, but he strikes me as being too spineless to really go all the way on stuff like obstructing the Mueller investigation and separating families. More of an indirect "make myself rich" evil than a direct "I derive pleasure from making minorities' lives miserable" malevolence.
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HappyHippo posted:This is false, he was not the deciding vote No, he was literally the deciding vote. He should have at the very least forced the Republicans to do whatever they would have had to do to pass Kavanagh without him- instead he chose to be the deciding vote and to give one of the GOP Senators a hall pass. When it came time to actually put the votes down on record Manchin was the deciding vote. That's what matters here.
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Beto should run in Texas in 2020 no matter how much of a snowball's chance he has.
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Prester Jane posted:No, he was literally the deciding vote. He should have at the very least Force the Republicans to do whatever they would have had to do to pass Kavanagh without him, instead he decided to be the deciding vote and to give one of the GOP Senators a hall pass. Collins was the deciding vote, not Manchin.
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Sir Lemming posted:Hahahaha Yeah this would actually be an amazing choice but not in the way Trump or whoever thinks.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:"Now that I've personally rigged my own election, later shitlords! See you in Savannah!" Atlanta is the capital. Unless you’re saying he’s just going onget plastered somewhere in which case yes savannah is God’s country.
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Sir Lemming posted:Hahahaha he's repeatedly said he supports the mueller probe. also he put Jared's dad in jail and got fired from the transition because of Jared, and probably relishes the idea of supporting anyone who might gently caress him over and he'd have to recuse for the same reason as Sessions it's a pretty weird, dumb choice that wouldn't accomplish Trump's goals so... it might happen?
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pookel posted:But that doesn't matter as long as they can choose to rule, separately, that it's an undue burden for gun buyers to have to wait a few days or register their purchase, but also that it's not an undue burden for abortion clinics to be required to be attached to a regular hospital and follow a long list of arbitrary laws designed to shut them down. eventually we'll settle on it not being an undue burden for people to have to fly to puerto rico for abortions
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