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evilweasel posted:There is the one confounding factor that Nelson is a boring centrist who might possibly appeal to ticket-splitters, but also basically didn't bother to campaign. Scott was/is also a very good GOP candidate even though we all hate him. Going to PR and talking about hurricane relief and trying to appeal to hispanic voters instead of going full racist probably won him that race. dog tax 
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axeil posted:Scott was/is also a very good GOP candidate even though we all hate him. Going to PR and talking about hurricane relief and trying to appeal to hispanic voters instead of going full racist probably won him that race. Maybe - but Scott underpeformed DeSantis, who did go full racist. So I don't know that you can draw that conclusion (though Nelson did have incumbency advantage, so maybe you can - it's just not obvious you can).
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VideoGameVet posted:What? Compared to black men we have it easy. oh, absolutely. that's part of the equation. the world is full of messages for pretty much anyone who's not a white guy that if you decide to lash out because you've had enough, the system is gonna loving bury you as an idiot who proves everyone like you deserves their inferior station in life. "keep eating poo poo, buddy, because if you ever stop eating poo poo they're just gonna make everyone like you eat more of it" is a fairly successful strategy for social control! there is an absence of said messages for white guys. as a result of which you get your dylan roofs, and your james fields, and your robert bowers, and your this guy. because they've been told enough that no, really, if you shout "gently caress the optics, I'm going in" you might light the Spark of Revolution against [INSERT PERSONAL SOURCE OF ALL EVIL HERE]
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Between this and the Vegas shooting I think the most important takeaway is clearly that country music promotes a violent, anti-authority culture. But what do you expect with people who think that cowboy hats and cuffed jeans are acceptable to wear out in public? Clearly indicative of a broken home life.
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Adar posted:I don't think that's correct. Impeachment is a process that triggers a trial, conducted by the Senate. The Senate can acquit or convict, but I don't see a good argument for allowing it to sit on the charges. The court case to figure out whether anyone even can compel the Senate to act would be very interesting.
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evilweasel posted:Maybe - but Scott underpeformed DeSantis, who did go full racist. So I don't know that you can draw that conclusion (though Nelson did have incumbency advantage, so maybe you can - it's just not obvious you can). as much as i hate rick scott, and as much i think we need the senate seat, i may actually be rooting for gillum more, not just because gillum is Good but because DeSantis is a goddamned monster Rent-A-Cop posted:And who will force the US Senate to have a trial? I feel like they can't just memory hole it forever, but I agree very much with your second sentence.
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axeil posted:Yeah I think in Florida with Gillum/Nelson basically getting the exact same vote share the message we should go with is "policy preference doesn't really matter in FL". I'm not sure if that's because everyone in FL is old, the GOP voters there are all CHUDs, Dems just vote Dem regardless of policy, Indies have no clue what they're doing or what. Since I like M4A and other leftist positions those are what I want to see next time in Florida, but a centrist can look at the same data and argue for centrist positions and we both will be right because policy appears not to matter in FL. Even more hot take: Kansas, and possibly Iowa, AND Oklahoma. The Plains are beginning to rise up against their chud overlords, because they got turbofucked by them.
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Fart City posted:Between this and the Vegas shooting I think the most important takeaway is clearly that country music promotes a violent, anti-authority culture. But what do you expect with people who think that cowboy hats and cuffed jeans are acceptable to wear out in public? Clearly indicative of a broken home life. I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks."
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." You missed the very important "alcoholism"
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happyhippy posted:To stop a smart Trump from doing it in future. Not sure how letting a guy be president for 2+ years and letting him decide the fate of the courts is a deterrent. Wouldn't it be more robust to understand why he was able to win in the first place?
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." Also crippling depression and alcoholism caused by failed relationships.
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." Dangerous words for someone that, if I remember right, is moving to Texas...
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TulliusCicero posted:Even more hot take: Kansas, and possibly Iowa, AND Oklahoma. (Except IA)
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TulliusCicero posted:Even more hot take: Kansas, and possibly Iowa, AND Oklahoma. speaking as a texan i refuse to accept that oklahoma might do anything good, never mind anything good that texas hasn''t Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." CuddleCryptid posted:You missed the very important "alcoholism" coincidentally, all three of those have been song titles
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So now that the midterms are over and Democrats have taken the house, how long do we gotta wait till they can start impeachment proceedings? I know we're still waiting on Robert Muller's results but he should be releasing his findings any day now. We gonna shoot for early December here?
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TulliusCicero posted:Even more hot take: Kansas, and possibly Iowa, AND Oklahoma. oklahoma dems should run a senator who literally only ever mentions banning fracking and no other issues and they'll win unfortunately they'll probably do something too liberal, like pet a dog or have a vagina or look at a native american without disgust, so they will lose
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GreyjoyBastard posted:as much as i hate rick scott, and as much i think we need the senate seat, i may actually be rooting for gillum more, not just because gillum is Good but because DeSantis is a goddamned monster Gillum might actually matter more as being able to unfuck Florida some and to block attempts to de-disenfranchise people, if I could wave a magic wand and make one of them win I'm not sure who I'd pick either. But anything that helps one of them in the recount probably helps the other, so we don't need to choose who we (probably vainly) hope wins!
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Parrotine posted:So now that the midterms are over and Democrats have taken the house, how long do we gotta wait till they can start impeachment proceedings? There's no reason to think the findings will be released 'any day' except if you believe Trump's lawyers. There's also a lot of good reasons to think that public findings won't be released at all, absent a certain particular set of circumstances. What we're waiting on any day now is indictments of Roger Stone and or Don Jr
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eke out posted:Dangerous words for someone that, if I remember right, is moving to Texas... texas has both kinds, country AND western
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Telsa Cola posted:Also crippling depression and alcoholism caused by failed relationships. There's been a recent spate of stuff by women country artists about murdering domestic abusers and I hope the trend continues.
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Tibalt posted:No.  I will eat my hat if OK goes blue in the 2020 presidential election.Edit: I get to choose which of my hats.
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eke out posted:Dangerous words for someone that, if I remember right, is moving to Texas... I mean I already live in a place where suburban upper middle class twits cosplay as "rural folk," what will the difference be? evilweasel posted:Gillum might actually matter more as being able to unfuck Florida some and to block attempts to de-disenfranchise people, if I could wave a magic wand and make one of them win I'm not sure who I'd pick either. But anything that helps one of them in the recount probably helps the other, so we don't need to choose who we (probably vainly) hope wins! Seems like Gillum would have more impact in the long-term imo.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:There's been a recent spate of stuff by women country artists about murdering domestic abusers and I hope the trend continues. Goodye Earl is a good song.
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, she would like to sleep with me" and "trucks." Fixed for the proper escapist tones.
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQL_bMaA7Aw
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eke out posted:There's no reason to think the findings will be released 'any day' except if you believe Trump's lawyers. There's also a lot of good reasons to think that public findings won't be released at all, absent a certain particular set of circumstances. why wouldn't i believe rudy giuliani?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
There's probably a strong argument that it has to be in the same Congressional session that voted for impeachment but this has never even been tested and while IANAL I'm not sure who you could even appeal to if Mitch says "sure the trial will be January, 1 2040"
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axeil posted:Yeah I think in Florida with Gillum/Nelson basically getting the exact same vote share the message we should go with is "policy preference doesn't really matter in FL". I'm not sure if that's because everyone in FL is old, the GOP voters there are all CHUDs, Dems just vote Dem regardless of policy, Indies have no clue what they're doing or what. Since I like M4A and other leftist positions those are what I want to see next time in Florida, but a centrist can look at the same data and argue for centrist positions and we both will be right because policy appears not to matter in FL. Unfortunately, analysis is also confounded by straight-ticket voting. How much of Nelson's turn-out was from Gillam's fabulous campaign? I don't think there's any good take-away just looking at the numbers without doing at least some internal polling deep-dives.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:While he my have been a wonderful person cop death is a net gain for society. A take so hot only D&D could cook it up and defend it. gently caress off with this.
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axeil posted:There's probably a strong argument that it has to be in the same Congressional session that voted for impeachment but this has never even been tested and while IANAL I'm not sure who you could even appeal to if Mitch says "sure the trial will be January, 1 2040" You would appeal it to the SCOTUS probably, but I've got some bad news there
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Tibalt posted:
This is a very dangerous toxx, we already had some guy lose a hat eating toxx and make himself some sort of Carmen Miranda hat to get out of, you know, poisoning himself
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RandomBlue posted:Nice racist as gently caress avatar you got there. since you like injecting race into everything you and shaun king should probably hang out, you have stupid points in common. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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eke out posted:There's no reason to think the findings will be released 'any day' except if you believe Trump's lawyers. There's also a lot of good reasons to think that public findings won't be released at all, absent a certain particular set of circumstances. There were (and still somewhat are, but they diminish with each passing day) reasons to believe that Mueller was prepared to pull the trigger ASAP after the midterms, mostly because it's reasonable to assume (A) he did not want to release anything during the DOJ "quiet period" around an election and (B) that he is not as dumb as a sack of potatoes and also read the reports that Trump was likely to try to shut his investigation down after the midterms. But each day that passes makes that less likely. His grand jury meets on Fridays, so that'd be the day to wait for.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:A take so hot only D&D could cook it up and defend it. gently caress off with this. not true, it'd be even more popular in cspam Party Plane Jones posted:This is a very dangerous toxx, we already had some guy lose a hat eating toxx and make himself some sort of Carmen Miranda hat to get out of, you know, poisoning himself that was fairly glorious though, we could do with a rerun Kimsemus posted:since you like injecting race into everything you and shaun king should probably hang out, you have stupid points in common. friendly advice, i don't think this line of thinking is going to go very well for you in these here parts
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axeil posted:Yeah I think in Florida with Gillum/Nelson basically getting the exact same vote share the message we should go with is "policy preference doesn't really matter in FL". I'm not sure if that's because everyone in FL is old, the GOP voters there are all CHUDs, Dems just vote Dem regardless of policy, Indies have no clue what they're doing or what. Since I like M4A and other leftist positions those are what I want to see next time in Florida, but a centrist can look at the same data and argue for centrist positions and we both will be right because policy appears not to matter in FL. Yeah I think Sherrod Brown should be looked at really hard in 2020, if not at the top of the ticket, then almost assuredly as a VP pick (preferably paired with a woman or POC). The fact is, Dems have been telling people of the Rust Belt that NAFTA is good and we're gonna retrain you to be a coder for 25 years. Sherrod Brown is anti-free trade and basically holds on to manufacturing jobs in Ohio like you can pry them from his cold dead hands. All that without sacrificing progressive principles. But that's not what the "smart Dems" and the party leadership that's in bed with Wall Street thinks. Because free trade has been good. For them. The fact is, like that tweet thread evilweasel posted said, Trump's populist anti-free trade message plays really well in PA-OH-MI-WI and whoever is the nominee is going to have to combat that, or get someone to combat that.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:There's been a recent spate of stuff by women country artists about murdering domestic abusers and I hope the trend continues. poo poo, i think loretta lynn has some songs about that from years ago.
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Sometimes country music is about losing your girl and your truck, sometimes it is about murdering the rich and going on the run and doing crimes.
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evilweasel posted:Gillum might actually matter more as being able to unfuck Florida some and to block attempts to de-disenfranchise people, if I could wave a magic wand and make one of them win I'm not sure who I'd pick either. But anything that helps one of them in the recount probably helps the other, so we don't need to choose who we (probably vainly) hope wins! I would pick Gillum because I think we can still manage to flip a 54/46 Senate while Florida needs help right now to un-gently caress itself. Plus blocking gerrymanders in 2020.
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Lightning Knight posted:I thought the principle messages of country music were "wow that woman is very pretty, I would like to sleep with her" and "trucks." Seriously, all the best country songs are about DV.
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