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mcmagic posted:Why? Doesn't this make a joke of the idea of senate conformed roles? the Vacancies Reform Act controls here
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eke out posted:I'd argue Sessions just learned that he wasn't allowed to say the things King says publicly after he lost the federal judicial nomination a few decades ago because of his history of being an open, public racist. Oh I'm just shitposting and giving GB a hard time. mcmagic posted:Why? Doesn't this make a joke of the idea of senate conformed roles? It's almost like American governmental rules are really arbitrary and Republicans give no fucks!
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mcmagic posted:What about Desantis' own goal of being an open white nationalist and Trumpist bootlicker? Yes, obviously the GOP candidate was loving godawful but as recent history has shown us, GOP voters do not care one iota about how terrible their candidates are as long as they trigger the libs. Dem voters might care more about things like having integrity and not accepting free tickets/trips from rich campaign donors.
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eke out posted:sorry but i've solidified behind christie as by far the least bad person we can possibly hope for I mean, yeah, he's probably the best we can expect, but it means I will have to see his face and hear his voice even more than I do now, and my stomach has enough problems.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:A take so hot only D&D could cook it up and defend it. gently caress off with this. ACAB
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Sarsapariller posted:The destruction of truth, as a shared ideal, is a critical point in the implementation of a fascist society I actually found the tweets, it's all because senior thin skin got pissed and Shucks came to his aid accusing Acosta of attacking a staffer. It's them trying to protect the image of Trump being a big manly man and not the little piss baby he is. Jesus this timeline can go eat a warehouse full of D-con
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WampaLord posted:It's a 4 year term. Although apparently some other idiots also bought into the GOP propaganda that Gillum was going to singlehandedly create a state income tax.
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Lightning Knight posted:
zuck 4 pres zuck 4 pres is the chant as the seawaters rise up and cover our heads
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Actually billionaires are trash and the last thing this country needs as global warming sets in and disaster capitalism licks its chops is Michael loving Bloomberg to run for president, hth.
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WampaLord posted:Dem voters might care more about things like having integrity and not accepting free tickets/trips from rich campaign donors. Was this heavily publicized in Florida, enough to swing the race at the last second? Also didn't he accept those from his brother with the belief that the brother had bought them?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:here is a list of living people more racist than JBS3: Steve King tho
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It's like playing Nomic, except some people get eleven votes for everyone else's one, and, also, they don't even follow the rules they're making up!
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mcmagic posted:What about Desantis' own goal of being an open white nationalist and Trumpist bootlicker? he was running as a republican! those are plusses, you idiot!
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My take on Sessions: - he's a power-tripping shithead, so getting him away from a position of power is always good - Whittaker seems like a shithead too, but any day they have to waste on transitioning leadership/institutional knowledge is a day they're not actively loving over people - forcing another round of confirmation battles over the new AG will waste time the GOP Senate could be using to gently caress people over and also keep Trump's corruption in the newscycle E: oops, should have refreshed
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Lightning Knight posted:Was this heavily publicized in Florida, enough to swing the race at the last second? like no one i have met in Florida that is not a registered republican gave two shits about hamilton tickets, the scandal had already basically run its course in the media well before the end of the gubernatorial campaign and the only thing they had left was that Hamilton poo poo it probably would've been a lot worse if the election was like, in June, when there were more unknowns about how implicated Gillum was.
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Lightning Knight posted:Is this... is this the moment? maybe but i have plausible deniability eke out posted:I'd argue Sessions just learned that he wasn't allowed to say the things King says publicly after he lost the federal judicial nomination a few decades ago because of his history of being an open, public racist.
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The Hamilton thing was heavily publicized enough down here in the South that my not-as-political husband knew about it and cursed it, saying he is sure it's what lost Gillum the election.
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eke out posted:the Vacancies Reform Act controls here No it doesn't. Sessions was fired, he didn't resign.
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Country chat: I turned trough the radio and heard what passes for a woke country song. http://www.nashcountrydaily.com/2017/12/12/chris-jansons-new-single-implores-you-to-take-a-drunk-girl-home/
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Is there any chance of the GOP-won races on Tuesday getting recounted and resulting in a Dem win?
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Lightning Knight posted:Was this heavily publicized in Florida, enough to swing the race at the last second? Yes, DeSantis ran many many ads highlighting it. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article220729745.html quote:After Gillum won the primary, his campaign held focus groups to test just how damaging the coming attacks on the FBI investigation would be. His Democratic opponents never raised the issue, so Gillum’s team gathered voters to hear about details of the probe and then watch recorded interviews of Gillum defending himself. The outcome: voters had questions, but felt reassured when they heard Gillum’s explanations.
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Dad Jokes posted:My take on Sessions: There won't be any confirmation battles anymore, though.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:maybe but i have plausible deniability Curses.  WampaLord posted:Yes, DeSantis ran many many ads highlighting it. Ah, that loving blows. I mean on the one hand I think that was a dumb move by Gillum but on the other it's such a weak loving attack and gently caress the FBI honestly.
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haveblue posted:Ensconce RBG in the Golden Throne imo Nah, give her Karamazov's walking throne instead.
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eke out posted:This is why Kushner's people are talking about how they're happy Sessions is gone because he was directly loving their attempt to get an easy PR victory in minor, largely useless prison reform How does this dipshit have so much power and say? (Rhetorical question)
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think racism is more of a factor than the FBI stuff. I think when an election is this close, you have to look at every factor and a candidate creating his own scandal is definitely something that could swing a close election. Florida voted for Obama both times, I don't think it's as irredeemably racist as you think it is.
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Dad Jokes posted:My take on Sessions: I agree with all of these points. The obstruction case can be made when it has to be made, Sessions is just about the worst person who could have been in that position and anything that forces him out is good.
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mcmagic posted:No it doesn't. Sessions was fired, he didn't resign. not according to Jefferson Beauregard Sessions my man. though I appreciate you declaring I'm definitely wrong about something you appear to know nothing about
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evilweasel posted:I suspect that's not true, because neither of them could donate enough money directly to candidates to be responsible for between half and a third of Dem gains, and money donated directly to candidates is much more valuable than SuperPAC money (both because it's better integrated with the campaign, and because candidates get much lower TV rates so a candidate dollar is actually worth much more than a superpac dollar in how much TV time it can buy), but I'd be interested in seeing why you think that. Bloomberg's PAC focused on second tier races that weren't seeing any money and microtargeted super well. Even in a wave year you don't normally get results like this without competency: https://twitter.com/jyarow/status/1060536086726918145 https://twitter.com/hellofasandwich/status/1056398039504416768 https://twitter.com/hellofasandwich/status/1055311743952412672 Adar fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Pollyanna posted:Is there any chance of the GOP-won races on Tuesday getting recounted and resulting in a Dem win? There are a couple unresolved but don't hang your hat on this, it's an extremely slim chance. mcmagic posted:No it doesn't. Sessions was fired, he didn't resign. According to the criteria set out in the relevant laws, he resigned. If you want to contest the laws or argue the philosophical definitions of fired vs resigned, file suit.
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mcmagic posted:Why? Doesn't this make a joke of the idea of senate conformed roles? The idea was that, if someone just up and quits out of nowhere, the government agency doesn't have to stop working while they work out a confirmation. There's a time limit, of course, but if they reach it without confirmation Trump gets to just pick a different acting ag, forever, lol
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Lightning Knight posted:Was this heavily publicized in Florida, enough to swing the race at the last second? the point of the clinton comparison is that the underlying facts being exculpatory doesn't matter if you can get a general sense of scandal around something and force the candidate to deal with it. you're not looking to sway the person who really digs into the charges and decides if the person is guilty or not. you're looking to sway people on the margins who vaguely hear about an FBI investigation and assume where there's smoke, there's fire and become somewhat less inclined to vote as a result.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:The Hamilton thing was heavily publicized enough down here in the South that my not-as-political husband knew about it and cursed it, saying he is sure it's what lost Gillum the election. funny thing is, imo the fbi handled it about as well as they possibly could have investigated promptly (and correctly, what if Gillum WAS involved in the Tallahassee city council corruption garbagefire?), said "nope, he's fine, back to investigating the actual criminals here", wrapped Gillum's part up cleanly and quickly well in advance of the election too bad people are morons
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evilweasel posted:the point of the clinton comparison is that the underlying facts being exculpatory doesn't matter if you can get a general sense of scandal around something and force the candidate to deal with it. you're not looking to sway the person who really digs into the charges and decides if the person is guilty or not. you're looking to sway people on the margins who vaguely hear about an FBI investigation and assume where there's smoke, there's fire and become somewhat less inclined to vote as a result. it helped that the general investigation actually wasn't bogus. some people really were corrupt and they got caught.
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WampaLord posted:I think when an election is this close, you have to look at every factor and a candidate creating his own scandal is definitely something that could swing a close election. The Obama/Trump presidencies basically exacerbated the already present sorting of racists into the Republican party. There were plenty of vaugely racist democrats who voted for Obama because neither side directly appealed to their racism, but having a black president/being asked by BLM to actually treat black people equally and fairly/Trump telling them he, too, was racist and they should be allowed to say those things out loud flipped a lot of people for good.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:funny thing is, imo the fbi handled it about as well as they possibly could have people are dumb, but also it's a culture wars thing - Hamilton is Northern Yankee New York Bullshit, and a free ticket speaks to elite connections so it's both the investigation and that it linked him into that whole 'coastal elites' poo poo
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axeil posted:Anecdotal evidence but my dad + my girlfriend's dad were typical "small business + tax cut" rich Republicans and they both voted Dem in PA because all the blatant racism horrified them and they said they liked how the Dems didn't immediately rule out working on common goals with the GOP. I rolled my eyes at this but a D vote is a D vote, regardless of how they got there. The question is what those common goals are. It could very well just mean they want a Republican who isn't quite so openly racist. When people talk about bipartisan compromise, that rarely means that they want the two parties to actually come to an agreement in the middle of all issues - it usually means they want the opposing party to come around to their party's positions on the issues they find most important, with maybe some concessions for the bits they don't care about. Remember that party lines are an arbitrary distinction - a D vote isn't worth crap if it's for someone like Jim Justice or the IDC. GreyjoyBastard posted:I feel like they can't just memory hole it forever, but I agree very much with your second sentence. There's no legal method to force the Senate to hold an impeachment trial - there just isn't really anyone with the legal authority to impose it on them. There is, however, the practical authority that the people hold. If a majority of the House voted to impeach, then presumably the nation expects impeachment, and the Senate openly snubbing the Constitution in order to block the impeachment process wouldn't go over well. Public pressure would likely force McConnell to back down. If not, then either the public didn't really care that much or the political situation has gotten so out of touch that the bits from the Declaration of Independence about "consent of the governed" start to become relevant.
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mcmagic posted:No it doesn't. Sessions was fired, he didn't resign. a forced resignation is not a firing in the eyes of labor departments. It's just a resignation. The wording matters my dude.
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Adar posted:Bloomberg's PAC focused on second tier races that weren't seeing any money and microtargeted super well. Even in a wave year you don't normally get results like this without competency: So what you're saying is that we don't need to run Bloomberg, we just need to take all of his money and spend it on 2020 races.
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evilweasel posted:That's true, but that definition of policy overlaps too much with "caring about party" that it's not a very useful definition for this discussion. If I understand you correctly, I think what you're saying is that Democratic voters are usually "policy first, party second" when it comes to deciding if they will turn out, but this year was an exception because Republicans were just that loving bad for the past two years. Yeah, pretty much. I'm kinda hesitant to draw too many lessons from this election because of how atypical it was. Well, other than an affirmation about how anti-democratic so many places are thanks to gerrymandering and suppression.
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