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Are there any good WNs with queer characters? It seems that most Chinese authors basically say that everyone is straight in their fictional world, at best I've seen some ambiguous side character who shows up for a few chapters and exhibits some stereotypes.
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Forge of Destiny sequel thread is up Trials of Destiny https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/trials-of-destiny-eastern-fantasy.51431/
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Nov 8, 2018 21:04
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Its Rinaldo posted:Forge of Destiny sequel thread is up Good thing I caught up to Forge of Destiny yesterday.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:49
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Konstantin posted:Are there any good WNs with queer characters? It seems that most Chinese authors basically say that everyone is straight in their fictional world, at best I've seen some ambiguous side character who shows up for a few chapters and exhibits some stereotypes. Honestly, I'd look to Western webserials for queer characters. You won't find a whole lot in Chinese and Japanese WNs outside the yaoi market.
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Nov 9, 2018 00:17
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Yeah the only novels with queer characters I can think of that aren't smut are the two or three with a capital "M" Message about the LBQT experience. Not a lot of JP/CN/KR web novels that are just incidentally inclusive that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Nov 9, 2018 12:12
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they're published novels not web stuff but check out Max Gladstone's works, they have a real diverse cast that includes at least a couple queer main characters. and they don't treat it like it's a Big Deal which i like
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Nov 9, 2018 20:00
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sunken fleet posted:Yeah the only novels with queer characters I can think of that aren't smut are the two or three with a capital "M" Message about the LBQT experience. Not a lot of JP/CN/KR web novels that are just incidentally inclusive that I can think of off the top of my head. Not a web novel (to my knowledge) but check out Dragonoak, I thought it was quite good and fairly original.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:35
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"these medicines are extremely good drugs"
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Nov 17, 2018 20:49
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i've sworn off the mahouka novels because the incest went over the line from comically over-exaggerated creepy to regular creepy, but then i found out that there was a mahouka movie that came out a few years ago. it was disappointing. the movie is about an experiment by the japanese military using human clones to power some magic bullshit weapon. so tatsuya agrees to rescue the clones from a military base, which is all wrong. see, his family and the branch of the military he belongs to already engage in human experimentation. no one ever had a problem with this! in the books, brutal experimentation on human subjects is fine so long as the experiments are done by the japanese and no FILTHY SUBHUMAN FOREIGNERS are involved. most of the cast is the result of generations of a deranged eugenics program, and no one particularly cares about that either. but really, tatsuya doing good deeds and helping people in distress? and crossing the military to do so, no less? that misses the whole point of mahouka, which is that the author is a gigantic nationalist piece of poo poo devoid of morals and empathy. obviously, the movie was written by a non-sociopath instead. on the plus side, the movie was immensely boring, as is right and proper for mahouka.
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Nov 17, 2018 23:51
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:see, his family and the branch of the military he belongs to already engage in human experimentation. no one ever had a problem with this! in the books, brutal experimentation on human subjects is fine so long as the experiments are done by the japanese and no FILTHY SUBHUMAN FOREIGNERS are involved. most of the cast is the result of generations of a deranged eugenics program, and no one particularly cares about that either. but really, tatsuya doing good deeds and helping people in distress? and crossing the military to do so, no less? that misses the whole point of mahouka, which is that the author is a gigantic nationalist piece of poo poo devoid of morals and empathy. obviously, the movie was written by a non-sociopath instead. Honestly I consistently read Mahouka as the most accurate depiction of a dystopia I have seen, it's so blatant in some ways that I'm tempted to say even the author is aware of what he is doing. Like in the lore the only nation that falls under remotely "good" is the USNA but that's mostly in comparison to everyone else, mostly in that they are the only nation that doesn't heavily regulate mages nor is controlled by them. Japan is literally being controlled by an open shadow government of elite family of mages that perform insane experimentation and eugenics on their kids in order to stay on top of the other families. The only reason why all the characters seem to completely ignore the extremely authoritarian parts of their government think this they are good ideas, is because they have been indoctrinated from youth, and are basically all part of the privileged class. Like remember the parts, especially early on, with non-magic people protesting and rioting and the entire cast was like very dismissive of their argument and like wow they are just dumb and ignorant. These things don't even feel portrayed as good to me, there is just no character in the main cast voicing their opinion against it or generally aware of their own hypocrisy, which many people I think have wrongly taken into asserting the author actually supports these things fully and is like yeah these are good things and cool.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:22
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if a character starts giving an extended monologue out of nowhere about a completely unrelated subject, it's usually straight from the author's mouth. when the monologue consists of "rich people are rich and in charge because they work harder", that author is a piece of poo poo.
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Nov 19, 2018 23:30
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ShinsoBEAM! posted:Honestly I consistently read Mahouka as the most accurate depiction of a dystopia I have seen, it's so blatant in some ways that I'm tempted to say even the author is aware of what he is doing. all i really remember from briefly reading mahouka is when the student council president deals with the rampant inequality by holding an assembly and giving a speech that amounts to "rich people are just better, know your place lol" and this is treated as heroic
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Nov 19, 2018 23:41
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Yinlock posted:all i really remember from briefly reading mahouka is when the student council president deals with the rampant inequality by holding an assembly and giving a speech that amounts to "rich people are just better, know your place lol" and this is treated as heroic Telling a bunch of poor people to know their place without being murdered is incredibly heroic to the privileged rich, if fox news has taught me anything.
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Nov 20, 2018 00:17
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Also how bitter is the Mahuka guy that japan lost WW2?
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Nov 20, 2018 00:19
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drilldo squirt posted:Also how bitter is the Mahuka guy that japan lost WW2? I know Japan Has Never Committed A War Crime is a big part of the japanese right-wing mythos , so he probably takes the standard stance of pretending WW2 never existed unless it's convenient
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Nov 20, 2018 00:30
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you'd think so, but then he has his terrible protagonist commit war crimes. tatsuya nuked a chinese port city and the only reaction anyone had to this was "hey you did real good killing all those chinese people and also they deserved to die".
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Nov 20, 2018 01:09
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Why is he killing all these chinese people? I'm not going to read this by the way, so be as spoilerly as you want.
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Nov 20, 2018 02:15
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Probably something like 20 Chinese people tried to kidnap a student at the school. Obviously this means that you have to nuke all of China. Wait was nuking China the scene the anime started on?
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Nov 20, 2018 07:22
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Probably something like 20 Chinese people tried to kidnap a student at the school. he nuked china twice.
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Nov 20, 2018 12:53
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but really it's because the perfidious chinese are strong and dangerous and trying to destroy japan but also weak and cowardly and easily beaten. it's very standard nationalist rhetoric.
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Nov 20, 2018 12:56
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Yinlock posted:all i really remember from briefly reading mahouka is when the student council president deals with the rampant inequality by holding an assembly and giving a speech that amounts to "rich people are just better, know your place lol" and this is treated as heroic Accurate Dystopia gimme the GOD drat candy posted:but really it's because the perfidious chinese are strong and dangerous and trying to destroy japan but also weak and cowardly and easily beaten. it's very standard nationalist rhetoric. Honestly, this is the main thing that let's me go yeah he probably is more like this, and he wrote a great dystopian setting by accident. Because the Chinese characters we do see don't really countermand their stereotyping, the rhetoric and is dead on though.
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Nov 20, 2018 17:27
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I finally got around to reading Kusuriya no Hitorigoto and have really been enjoying it. It kind of gives me a Bookworm vibe with the smart and witty commoner female MC using her brains to solve the problems of higher ranked nobles and such. The whole pseudo-Chinese imperial court thing is a neat setting, too. It has a slow arc or two but overall is strong. That being said, I've overtaken the translations and Japanese transliterations for archaic and Chinese terms are hell, it's quite tough to read this raw.
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Nov 21, 2018 00:32
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Bakanogami posted:I finally got around to reading Kusuriya no Hitorigoto and have really been enjoying it. It kind of gives me a Bookworm vibe with the smart and witty commoner female MC using her brains to solve the problems of higher ranked nobles and such. The whole pseudo-Chinese imperial court thing is a neat setting, too. It has a slow arc or two but overall is strong. lol I started reading the manga version based on this rec and I thought I was in for some medicine-making antics then suddenly it became a poison-centric detective manga, which owns. Unfortunately at my reading level I only have room for one raw novel at a time  I still have like 500 chapters of Honzuki to go before I can move on monsters have finally appeared and it only took 214 chapters
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Nov 21, 2018 07:10
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has anyone else read Trash of the Count's Family? see, the protagonist keeps on getting more pets and boyfriends, but the story never acknowledges that the boyfriends are boyfriends. i think that maybe the author doesn't realize that he wrote this as incredibly gay? or maybe i'm just seeing stuff that isn't there.
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Nov 24, 2018 16:04
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:has anyone else read Trash of the Count's Family? see, the protagonist keeps on getting more pets and boyfriends, but the story never acknowledges that the boyfriends are boyfriends. i think that maybe the author doesn't realize that he wrote this as incredibly gay? or maybe i'm just seeing stuff that isn't there. they're only his boyfriends so they don't murder him, much like your average otome
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Nov 24, 2018 21:20
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:but really it's because the perfidious chinese are strong and dangerous and trying to destroy japan but also weak and cowardly and easily beaten. it's very standard nationalist rhetoric. I liked when it was revealed that every single person in chinatown was a criminal terrorist also magic power is determined solely by how japanese you are I haven't even read/seen mahouka beyond the first few manga chapters and I know these things, it really doesn't waste time going into turbo racism
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Nov 25, 2018 03:12
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:has anyone else read Trash of the Count's Family? see, the protagonist keeps on getting more pets and boyfriends, but the story never acknowledges that the boyfriends are boyfriends. i think that maybe the author doesn't realize that he wrote this as incredibly gay? or maybe i'm just seeing stuff that isn't there. You say this like having tons of boyfriends and friends who are boys is a bad thing.
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Nov 25, 2018 03:17
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CasinoV posted:You say this like having tons of boyfriends and friends who are boys is a bad thing. no, i'm not.
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Nov 25, 2018 04:12
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I stumbled upon the manga of If It’s for My Daughter, I’d Even Defeat a Demon Lord, and it was cute, I liked it. Then I found the raw web novel and ran it through google translate. After skimming the very poorly translated ending, did Dale really marry Latina  or can I blame google for that?
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Nov 26, 2018 02:42
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Search your heart.
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Nov 26, 2018 02:53
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I stumbled upon the manga of If It’s for My Daughter, I’d Even Defeat a Demon Lord, and it was cute, I liked it. Then I found the raw web novel and ran it through google translate. After skimming the very poorly translated ending, did Dale really marry Latina this is what we in the know call getting usagi drop'd it's the worst
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Nov 26, 2018 04:30
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Yinlock posted:this is what we in the know call getting usagi drop'd  god drat it
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Nov 26, 2018 05:50
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Goddamnit Japan 
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Nov 26, 2018 12:20
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I stumbled upon the manga of If It’s for My Daughter, I’d Even Defeat a Demon Lord, and it was cute, I liked it. Then I found the raw web novel and ran it through google translate. After skimming the very poorly translated ending, did Dale really marry Latina But the scanlation I read had a note about it after the fifth or sixth chapter, so I was able to get out early.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:23
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for a single parent wn that almost certainly isn't going to go all usagi drop, there is Even Though I’m a Former Noble and a Single Mother, My Daughters Are Too Cute and Working as an Adventurer Isn’t Too Much of a Hassle. the title says it all, really (including the fact that the author is terrible at coming up with titles).
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Dec 3, 2018 03:55
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:for a single parent wn that almost certainly isn't going to go all usagi drop, there is Even Though I’m a Former Noble and a Single Mother, My Daughters Are Too Cute and Working as an Adventurer Isn’t Too Much of a Hassle. the title says it all, really (including the fact that the author is terrible at coming up with titles).
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Dec 3, 2018 04:26
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:for a single parent wn that almost certainly isn't going to go all usagi drop, there is Even Though I’m a Former Noble and a Single Mother, My Daughters Are Too Cute and Working as an Adventurer Isn’t Too Much of a Hassle. the title says it all, really (including the fact that the author is terrible at coming up with titles). there are too many reviews that go "this is like Goblin Slayer, but" for me to try and read this without assurance that there's no rape-genocide bullshit
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Dec 3, 2018 05:06
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LibrarianCroaker posted:there are too many reviews that go "this is like Goblin Slayer, but" for me to try and read this without assurance that there's no rape-genocide bullshit uh, it is nothing like goblin slayer unless the tone drastically changes in future volumes. she kills some goblins early on. that's it, really.
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Dec 3, 2018 05:08
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:uh, it is nothing like goblin slayer unless the tone drastically changes in future volumes. she kills some goblins early on. that's it, really. 
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Elephant Parade posted:Goddamn I hate this Extremely Literal Title trend. It's just awful. It's kind of unavoidable, I guess. We live in an age where people just skim ranking lists of what's hot right this minute, and nobody can be assed to read an entire synopsis, so you have to grab new readers with what brief moment's attention you can get. Short titles are just too generic for anyone to care at a glance, it seems.
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