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lol Kamala Harris is running the same scam Avenatti did. https://twitter.com/vagrunt/status/1060586819111305216
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Gripweed posted:lol Kamala Harris is running the same scam Avenatti did. It was a winning move in 2016, seems like a winning move now!
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 quote:Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m not super interested in lame quasi-nationalist bring the factories back pandering to middle class suburbanites tho. Well I'll take this lie over the "we're gonna retrain you to be a computer programmer!" lie. One lie is attractive, one is not. Also, "those jobs are never coming back!" is not a winning message either, even if it's true. The struggle in 2020 will be a rust belt message that sufficiently acknowledges/blames NAFTA for the region's struggles, and has a solution beyond "retraining".
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Huh, that's interesting. He's the representative for the district I grew up in, but only since 2012 (Actually spoke to him personally more than once, because he liked to do his own canvassing calls). Probably doesn't have a chance in hell but he'd probably be ok as president.  When's the last time someone jumped directly from the House to the presidency (or even a major party nomination)?
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Nov 8, 2018 19:57
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Mahoning posted:Well I'll take this lie over the "we're gonna retrain you to be a computer programmer!" lie. One lie is attractive, one is not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you asked and I answered. That kind of rhetoric may be appealing to suburbanite assholes but it isn’t helping to make people understand the gravity of the issue. Large swaths of our institutions need to be torn down and rebuilt to deal with global warming if we want to live. That includes international trade.
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ninjahedgehog posted:When's the last time someone jumped directly from the House to the presidency (or even a major party nomination)? ford technically
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turns out that the only democrat not running in 2020 is hillary clinton QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 20:03
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Lightning Knight posted:¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you asked and I answered. That kind of rhetoric may be appealing to suburbanite assholes but it isn’t helping to make people understand the gravity of the issue. Large swaths of our institutions need to be torn down and rebuilt to deal with global warming if we want to live. That includes international trade. I'm just pointing out that Dem messaging for 25 years has been just as dishonest.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:04
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Mahoning posted:I'm just pointing out that Dem messaging for 25 years has been just as dishonest. I know. What scares me is that people like Bernie and Brown are gonna run on those lies and then people are going to throw a fit when they inevitably do not bring the factories back. They seem to have realized this, which is why they keep saying “Green New Deal.”
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Wicked Them Beats posted:True, though he's walking a fine line here and needs to really watch his wording. This statement doesn't have any soundbites as stupid as "not necessarily racist" so I think it works. this would be a good statement out of context, but it isn’t an apology for his gaffe, though, probably because he can’t outright backtrack on it without calling large swaths of white voters racist. dunno how much it’ll help :/
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The Muppets On PCP posted:ford technically He was Vice President for almost a year. Abraham Lincoln was the last president to go from U.S. Representative to the Presidency (with a ten-year stint out of office between those two). Last major candidate to get nominated while serving as Representative would probably be William Jennings Bryan in 1896. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 20:08
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QuoProQuid posted:He was Vice President for almost a year. Actually I think Garfield did too.
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Ah, you are right. I always forget about Garfield because of the whole “dying six months into office” business.
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How are his policies? The fact that he's 37 puts him under serious consideration for me, because gently caress boomers big time and gently caress Gen X moderately. Edit: Apparently he's a house co-sponsor for M4A, which puts him in the "better half of dems" bucket immediately. This is weird but I don't like that he's a tall handsome(ish?) white male, though. Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 20:13
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He endorsed Martin O’Malley in 2016
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Hellblazer187 posted:How are his policies? The fact that he's 37 puts him under serious consideration for me, because gently caress boomers big time and gently caress Gen X moderately. "Everyone should have access to quality, affordable healthcare, including preventative services, regardless of their economic background or medical history. While I was not in Congress when it became law, I support the goals of the Affordable Care Act and will work to strengthen and improve it. " The word "access" makes me immediately sort him in the poo poo pile.
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this thread is going to run through candidates real quick if it starts deciding that things as benign as using the word “access” are heresy
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Nov 8, 2018 20:22
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QuoProQuid posted:this thread is going to run through candidates real quick if it starts deciding that things as benign as using the word “access” is heresy Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad?
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QuoProQuid posted:this thread is going to run through candidates real quick if it starts deciding that things as benign as using the word “access” is heresy Listen, if people can't criticize Tim Ryan for a nearly two decade old vote on the Do Not Call Registry, then how could we ever decide who the true leftist is?! Access is kind of an important word because everyone having Medicare doesn't really matter one bit when there are clinics and hospitals in rural areas closing left and right. Access is important and any M4A legislation will need to include or be paired with funding to build or reopen clinics and hospitals in areas that are no longer served.
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QuoProQuid posted:this thread is going to run through candidates real quick if it starts deciding that things as benign as using the word “access” is heresy Pay attention to the way Dems talk about healthcare, and you'll notice that "Access to healthcare" is a completely meaningless phrase. It's a pleasant collection of sounds that they can make instead of, say, "right to healthcare" or "Medicare for all" or "single payer". Swalwell co-sponsored the House M4A bill, but every single Democrat with any ambition for 202 co-sponsored the House or Senate M4A bill. Even Corey loving Booker, and no one on earth is gullible enough to think he actually supports it.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad? "Access to healthcare" has long been code for keeping a market-based system that bankrupts people but pretending it's actually UHC. When Bernie debated slimeman Ted Cruz last year (if I remember the date correctly), he pointed out that claiming to want to give everyone access to healthcare didn't mean poo poo if they still couldn't afford it.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad? it's a weasel word that signals to the insurance industry you have no interest in upsetting the status quo
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad? i have no money and yet i still have "access" to healthcare
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yeah, this is really a bizarre one. What do you mean, Gripweed? Why is access to healthcare bad? let me put it to you like this. you have "access" to healthcare if your deductible is $10,000. similarly, kids in the Trump child prisons had "access" to medication they required, and you would have "access" to oxygen regardless of the presence of a boot crushing your windpipe. that you will have no ability to use it, and will die as a result? sucks to be you, buddy!
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"access" is what republicans say. bernie dunked on cruz about it during their cnn thing.
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i fundamentally do not care about swalwell. my point was more on the absurdity of declaring “delenda est” against the man because of two sentences of canned rhetoric on his website instead of anything substantive in his voting record the thread’s standards are puritanical to the point of self-parody
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Nov 8, 2018 20:54
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QuoProQuid posted:i fundamentally do not care about swalwell. my point was more on the absurdity of declaring “delenda est” against the man because of two sentences of canned rhetoric on his website instead of anything substantive in his voting record It’s not being puritanical, it’s having figured out the scam. Scammers use language like this, so if you’re not a scammer, get better words.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:56
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this guy https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1060194571907485696
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QuoProQuid posted:i fundamentally do not care about swalwell. my point was more on the absurdity of declaring “delenda est” against the man because of two sentences of canned rhetoric on his website instead of anything substantive in his voting record Yes how unreasonable of us, believing a candidate isn't sincere about wanting to improve healthcare just because he uses weaselly language that we've heard many times before with regards to health care . You sure cracked the code on that one, ace.
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I went to Swalwell's issues page and found this under the header "Fiscal Responsibility"quote:Like every family in America, the federal government must learn to live within its means. It is simply irresponsible to continue to rack up trillions of dollars in debt and then stick our children with the bill. I am proud that when I served on the Dublin City Council we balanced our budget each year. We can and we must reduce the federal budget deficit over time. So just based on that it's a definite no vote from me. Also he's a former Deputy DA and if I really wanted to vote for what is practically a cop then I'd just vote for Harris.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:07
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I like the cut of his jib.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:07
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oh captain my captain.
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Is saying "access" really that big of a deal when the guy co-signed the M4A bill?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Is saying "access" really that big of a deal when the guy co-signed the M4A bill? It's a warning sign, particularly when paired with that "fiscal responsibility" crap.
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Supporting bills doomed to fail while using weasel words in public is pretty standard "I do not actually have principles" behavior. It's a fixable problem, but it does require fixing.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Is saying "access" really that big of a deal when the guy co-signed the M4A bill? It should be if you have even the most basic sense of pattern recognition.
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