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Torrannor posted:https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/7381/Paradox_Interactive_Collection/ 
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axeil posted:A few pages back but this is absolutely me. It seemed really cool and now I just do not care at all because it seems like Did they ever do anything to improve the air or naval systems in HOI4? I enjoyed the game for a while when it came out, but I haven’t been following development at all since around the time the first DLC dropped. I didn’t enjoy the air or naval aspects of the game really at all so I soured on the game after not that long.
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Nov 8, 2018 23:26
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Not really. I'm vaguely aware that the upcoming expansion/update is supposed to fix the naval system at least, but I haven't been following the dev diaries to see exactly how.
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Nov 8, 2018 23:28
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They did overhaul air combat at one point but I forget what changed.
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Nov 8, 2018 23:30
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Bold Robot posted:Did they ever do anything to improve the air or naval systems in HOI4? I enjoyed the game for a while when it came out, but I haven’t been following development at all since around the time the first DLC dropped. I didn’t enjoy the air or naval aspects of the game really at all so I soured on the game after not that long. air got a revamp a while back and it's a deep pit you throw production into in order to win wars. it's not great, but it's better than it was in the sense that you can actually tease out wtf is happening now as long as it doesn't involve naval bombers. naval is really bad right now. the current best combat ship is land-based naval bombers, blue-water ship combat is pointless, germany is one of the strongest naval powers in the game, and the UK will generally lose to a sea landing in lincolnshire. supposedly the new expansion will fix the naval game, but i'm not super hopeful.
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Bold Robot posted:Did they ever do anything to improve the air or naval systems in HOI4? I enjoyed the game for a while when it came out, but I haven’t been following development at all since around the time the first DLC dropped. I didn’t enjoy the air or naval aspects of the game really at all so I soured on the game after not that long. Navies are being fixed in the next patch. Air is still a bit weird but is way better than it was at launch. Newest dev diary explains how ship building works (everything's customizable now) and they've added things like your screens no longer suiciding into the enemy fleet, detection chance, actually adding fuel, etc. Plus they're giving the UK+US+Mexico+Dutch way better decision trees. Although right now for air all I do is spam fighters/interceptors and either CAS/tactical bombers depending on how large the front will be and put them in 100 plan wings. I could be doing everything wrong but it seems to work? key dev diaries about the changes below naval combat changes: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-naval-changes-1-overview.1124240/ naval building changes: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1127181 mexico focus tree: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1125224 (you can make leon trotsky the head of state now) usa focus tree: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1116768 (makes the usa as fun/awesome as it is in kaiserreich) dutch focus tree: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1121147 (you can flood everything when the nazis show up) uk focus tree: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1108801 (you can decolonize or be way more aggressive) axeil fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 23:37
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axeil posted:Although right now for air all I do is spam fighters/interceptors and either CAS/tactical bombers depending on how large the front will be and put them in 100 plan wings. this is indeed the correct strategy, with the additional caveat that you probably don't need to make heavy fighters or tac bombers because anything they can do can also be done by more light fighters and CAS
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Nov 8, 2018 23:54
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There's a rather horrid bug where land-based aircraft vs carrier aircraft fights are incredibly swingy. You see stuff like two hundred carrier planes being shot down by a squadron of bombers in two hours. The main factor deciding whether it's the land-based aircraft or the carrier planes that get massacred seems to be whether the carriers are alone in the sea zone or not. If they're alone, the carrier fighters win. If they're not, the land-based planes win. I tried to game it once by sailing four carriers unescorted into a sea zone with a ton of enemy planes over it. Unfortunately some allied ships happened by so my guys all died. Cease to Hope posted:this is indeed the correct strategy, with the additional caveat that you probably don't need to make heavy fighters or tac bombers because anything they can do can also be done by more light fighters and CAS Eh, fighters and strategic bombers are pretty good for the UK. Once you're kicked off the continent, you can force the German airforce to fight your advanced planes or lose their factories. It's particularly devastating versus the AI because: 1. They need factories to replace their lost planes 2. Damaged factories come off the lowest production job on the production screen 3. The AI puts plane production at the bottom of the production screen Last game I focused on aircraft as the UK, the Axis had literally no aircraft by the time Barbarossa started. One thing I noticed is that there's gently caress-all feedback for strategic bombing. You can destroy pretty much everything in a zone but there's really no way to tell. I had 1000 strategic bombers hitting Western Germany for six months and it told me I'd damaged three levels of an airbase. Then I tagged over to Germany and everything had been destroyed. Gort fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 00:03
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Gort posted:One thing I noticed is that there's gently caress-all feedback for strategic bombing. You can destroy pretty much everything in a zone but there's really no way to tell. I had 1000 strategic bombers hitting Western Germany for six months and it told me I'd damaged three levels of an airbase. Then I tagged over to Germany and everything had been destroyed. Well, it's not like Hitler's just going to mosey on down to Buckingham Palace and tell you.
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Nov 9, 2018 01:18
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Torrannor posted:https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/7381/Paradox_Interactive_Collection/ lol, they've bundled in EU3: Complete which is the uncomplete version without Divine Wind.
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Nov 9, 2018 03:24
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:lol, they've bundled in EU3: Complete which is the uncomplete version without Divine Wind. I'm like 99% sure the continued existence of EU3 Complete is just a long running joke by Paradox, like Comet Sighted being in every game and getting a new option every time they release a DLC.
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Nov 9, 2018 05:53
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Hremsfeld posted:Well, it's not like Hitler's just going to mosey on down to Buckingham Palace and tell you. Some kind of middle ground between omniscience and blindness seems appropriate
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Nov 9, 2018 08:42
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As a general rule it’s awful to play a game where you have no feedback at all on the effects of what you’re doing. A margin of error is fine but one of the things I like about, eg, EU4 is going into the ledgers so I can see the impact of my decisions.
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Nov 9, 2018 10:46
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Gort posted:There's a rather horrid bug where land-based aircraft vs carrier aircraft fights are incredibly swingy. You see stuff like two hundred carrier planes being shot down by a squadron of bombers in two hours.  I've noticed that outcome, but not those conditions for it. That's crazy.I've also noticed, when trying to retreat my ships, the enemy beginning combat with them once an hour, seemingly giving their land-base naval bombers a pass to attack every time and thereby trashing my entire fleet over the course of a day or so.
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Nov 9, 2018 11:18
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Yeah, the carrier bug is probably the worst bug in the game currently. I get the feeling it would've been a quick-ish fix, but since they're completely ripping out the naval combat system for the next DLC patch anyway they figured it wasn't worth the time to fix it. You can see here a massive US fleet with four carriers losing 238 carrier planes while attacking a convoy because Japan has 200 tactical bombers in the air zone. If the US fleet had been smaller then fewer Japanese planes would've become involved and the bombers would probably have been the ones getting massacred. One interesting outcome of the bug is that battleships actually are better than carriers now. Gort fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 12:55
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Gort posted:One interesting outcome of the bug is that battleships actually are better than carriers now. There is a long-standing HOI tradition of surface ship supremacy. The ideal fleet in HOI2 changed a few times depending on the patch but for a while all-cruiser was preferred and later the best fleet was battleships + light carriers.
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Nov 9, 2018 17:49
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Good old cruizerg. Also CVLs had the superpower of teleporting your feet to the max range of your capital ships after 1 hour of combat
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Nov 9, 2018 18:20
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axeil posted:Navies are being fixed in the next patch. Air is still a bit weird but is way better than it was at launch. Newest dev diary explains how ship building works (everything's customizable now) and they've added things like your screens no longer suiciding into the enemy fleet, detection chance, actually adding fuel, etc. Plus they're giving the UK+US+Mexico+Dutch way better decision trees. Welp I'm going to have to buy that. I guess I should be proud of myself that since I barely play EUIV (I do try though), that I stopped getting DLC for that at least.
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Nov 9, 2018 18:31
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HOI needs a multiplayer mode where one person runs the focus tree, diplomacy, and ministers, one person does production, and one person moves the units around. I always get excited and interested when I see new focus trees, fixed naval combat, or other cool looking things, but then I remember opening the production interface or the division designer/plane designer and remember why it's the only Paradox game I have <50 hours of playtime in.
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Nov 9, 2018 18:44
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blackmongoose posted:HOI needs a multiplayer mode where one person runs the focus tree, diplomacy, and ministers, one person does production, and one person moves the units around. I always get excited and interested when I see new focus trees, fixed naval combat, or other cool looking things, but then I remember opening the production interface or the division designer/plane designer and remember why it's the only Paradox game I have <50 hours of playtime in.
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Nov 9, 2018 18:59
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:What is so intimidating about the Production interface? You can safely ignore the division designer and still beat the AI. There is no Plane designer. It's a lot of small scale decisions (all med tank factories or some light, how many infantry factories are enough, should I be building more factories or sticking to equipment, etc.) that you need to do a lot of calculations to determine the ultimate effect of and is basically something I don't enjoy at all - I recognize this is a personal thing and some people really like it which is why I wish I could play a multiplayer game with one of those people handling it. When I said plane designer, I meant the feature that is apparently called "variants" where you have to put experience points into different categories for specific planes - again, it's just way too much detail for me to want to engage with.
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Nov 9, 2018 19:46
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blackmongoose posted:It's a lot of small scale decisions (all med tank factories or some light, how many infantry factories are enough, should I be building more factories or sticking to equipment, etc.) that you need to do a lot of calculations to determine the ultimate effect of and is basically something I don't enjoy at all - I recognize this is a personal thing and some people really like it which is why I wish I could play a multiplayer game with one of those people handling it. When I said plane designer, I meant the feature that is apparently called "variants" where you have to put experience points into different categories for specific planes - again, it's just way too much detail for me to want to engage with.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:57
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blackmongoose posted:It's a lot of small scale decisions (all med tank factories or some light, how many infantry factories are enough, should I be building more factories or sticking to equipment, etc.) that you need to do a lot of calculations to determine the ultimate effect of and is basically something I don't enjoy at all - I recognize this is a personal thing and some people really like it which is why I wish I could play a multiplayer game with one of those people handling it. When I said plane designer, I meant the feature that is apparently called "variants" where you have to put experience points into different categories for specific planes - again, it's just way too much detail for me to want to engage with. idk, i don't do any calculations on that poo poo. Assign factories in a way that looks right, then adjust them a week later or whatever to be more efficient based on your surpluses/deficits.
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Nov 9, 2018 21:17
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It would be nice if the division designer told you, like, "at your current capabilities, you need 4 factories worth of infantry equipment, three of supply" etc in direct terms.
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Nov 9, 2018 21:30
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blackmongoose posted:HOI needs a multiplayer mode where one person runs the focus tree, diplomacy, and ministers, one person does production, and one person moves the units around. I always get excited and interested when I see new focus trees, fixed naval combat, or other cool looking things, but then I remember opening the production interface or the division designer/plane designer and remember why it's the only Paradox game I have <50 hours of playtime in. i dunno if this is still possible but in hoi2 multiple players could play the same nation. my MP group did it once or twice when playing Götterdämmerung germany
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Nov 9, 2018 21:36
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Gamerofthegame posted:It would be nice if the division designer told you, like, "at your current capabilities, you need 4 factories worth of infantry equipment, three of supply" etc in direct terms. What does "four factories" actually mean, though? A factory is not a distinct thing a division consumes, factories produce equipment at a certain rate influenced by a trillion things. I guess it could do something like "at your current production rates, filling out this template will take 43 days worth of production" but that's pretty useless because the rate you produce stuff at is always changing due to efficiency gains/losses, losing or acquiring resources, factories getting bombed/repaired/captured, etc., so one day's snapshot it takes 43 days to fill out and then you look again a week later and it takes 36 and the next it takes 48. It's not really a useful metric to plan with, imo. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 22:21
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the division designer gives the production cost in the bottom right corner
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Nov 9, 2018 22:42
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Crazycryodude posted:What does "four factories" actually mean, though? A factory is not a distinct thing a division consumes, factories produce equipment at a certain rate influenced by a trillion things. I guess it could do something like "at your current production rates, filling out this template will take 43 days worth of production" but that's pretty useless because the rate you produce stuff at is always changing due to efficiency gains/losses, losing or acquiring resources, factories getting bombed/repaired/captured, etc., so one day's snapshot it takes 43 days to fill out and then you look again a week later and it takes 36 and the next it takes 48. It's not really a useful metric to plan with, imo. "Last week, you lost XXX guns. Last week, one factory produced YYY guns. At these rates, you need ZZZ factories to outproduce your losses".
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Nov 9, 2018 23:42
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Yes you can have multiple players in the same country, we do it all the time in MP. It works pretty well and gets to be kind of a necessity for a major country since attention economy becomes a big issue.
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Nov 9, 2018 23:48
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Arrhythmia posted:"Last week, you lost XXX guns. Last week, one factory produced YYY guns. At these rates, you need ZZZ factories to outproduce your losses". This is also already in the game, under the equipment tab. It will tell you your usage, production and if in a deficit how long it will take to fulfill all your needs. As pointed out before though, this number will constantly be shifting around because your usage and production are constantly changing.
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Nov 9, 2018 23:51
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Arrhythmia posted:Last week, one factory produced YYY guns. This is where it breaks down, because factories don't all universally produce YYY guns. Some produce YYY+249, some produce YYY-174, etc. There's no One True Factory Output, each one is tracked individually and they can all be at different numbers.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:10
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Pretty simple to say "You'll need X factories at full production to replace losses" though, and if you really need those widgets right now you just pile a whole bunch on and take them off as the lines get more efficient.
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We've got a very late Rome DD on... religions! https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/imperator-development-diary-12th-of-november-2018.1127825/  quote:
I do like my undead dead religion alt histories.
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Nov 12, 2018 20:00
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Ok, now that I can bring about the glorious sun empire of Ra reborn, I am moderately interested
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Does it allow new religions to pop up? Mystery cults and other new religions were popping up all the time in late Antiquity. If you can't have Christianity or something like it start up that'd be disappointing.
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Nov 12, 2018 20:09
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Torrannor posted:https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/7381/Paradox_Interactive_Collection/ Oh I bought a package like that before I joined Paradox. Then I joined and getting dev status didn't unlock much for me 
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Nov 12, 2018 20:10
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axeil posted:Does it allow new religions to pop up? Mystery cults and other new religions were popping up all the time in late Antiquity. If you can't have Christianity or something like it start up that'd be disappointing. christianity should be procedurally generated each game!
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Nov 12, 2018 20:12
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The birth of a new faith? The veneration of the executed fisherman Ahmed is continuing to spread across the Empire. He is said to have been born from a rock, as well as being 2/3 divine.
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Nov 12, 2018 20:14
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The ancient world feels so alien to the rest of what I know about history because it was before all the big things that defined Europe for the next couple millennia.Nosfereefer posted:christianity should be procedurally generated each game! That may be another reason why Paradox decided to end the game shortly after the formation of the empire. I wonder if they have some kind of mechanic to represent how the Jews refused to pay tribute to Roman gods.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The ancient world feels so alien to the rest of what I know about history because it was before all the big things that defined Europe for the next couple millennia.
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