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RuanGacho posted:A better question is how do you make the narrative, minus the pendulum panic, of this forum, the national one? We just need to improve our meme game 
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RuanGacho posted:A better question is how do you make the narrative, minus the pendulum panic, of this forum, the national one? Problem is the narrative was established after Florida and the red-state dems took a shellacking, and cable news has probably moved on. So what we need to do is start our own cable network. With blackjack, and hookers.
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The Glumslinger posted:Because the closest thing to liberal media is still centrist as gently caress this is a pretty dense take and I can't actually disagree with it on aggregate
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2018 Highest Voter Participation States Maine Wisconsin Oregon Colorado Minnesota Alaska Kansas 2018 Lowest Voter Participation States New York Utah Oklahoma Mississippi New Mexico 2018 Biggest Increase in Voter Participation States Texas California Nevada Missouri Arizona Tennessee Kansas Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 05:27
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Aurubin posted:Problem is the narrative was established after Florida and the red-state dems took a shellacking, and cable news has probably moved on. So what we need to do is start our own cable network. With blackjack, and hookers. We'll live like kings! drat hell rear end kings!
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Nov 9, 2018 05:28
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The Glumslinger posted:Because the closest thing to liberal media is still centrist as gently caress Uh, sir, I have it on good authority that CNN stands for Communist News Network and that Nancy Pelosi is a hardened left-wing extremist.
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LeeMajors posted:Uh, sir, I have it on good authority that CNN stands for Communist News Network and that Nancy Pelosi is a hardened left-wing extremist. One of CNN's reporters is capable of vanquishing armies of interns with his mighty karate chop. 
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Nov 9, 2018 05:31
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So with an insanely favorable Senate map and the doom and gloom of Tuesday night, Republicans could end up with a net of just +1 in the Senate?
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LOL Sinema is gonna win.
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Mahoning posted:So with an insanely favorable Senate map and the doom and gloom of Tuesday night, Republicans could end up with a net of just +1 in the Senate? florida flipping is still unlikely i think so yeah
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Nov 9, 2018 05:34
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Mahoning posted:So with an insanely favorable Senate map and the doom and gloom of Tuesday night, Republicans could end up with a net of just +1 in the Senate? If everything goes the Democrats' way, yes. Arizona looks good, but Florida doesn't.
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mcmagic posted:LOL Sinema is gonna win. You'll get a new favorite target 
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RuanGacho posted:I don't think we can make people not chuds but there must be a way to at least trick them into voting for their own interests in the future. Ehhh. I've been working doggedly on a guy I know to NOT simply vote for his own interests all the time. Like the only thing he thinks about is: Will this make MY taxes go up or down? Will this affect MY take-home pay? Will this make MY power bill go up? WIll this make it more difficult for MY kids to get into college? Will this make life harder for ME? It's this MEEEEEEE attitude that I think is so poisonous about middle-of-the-road people who think they're well-informed and reasonable and civic-minded but really are just FYGM'ers through and through. I want to grab them and shake them by the shoulders and yell WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO A CHRISTIAN ABOUT HAVING COMPASSION FOR THE LESS FORTUNATE
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I'm curious how this will play out in the media, being that they seemed to go "welp, tuesday done" Trump potentially blew some of his best distraction fodder too. Data Graham posted:Ehhh. I've been working doggedly on a guy I know to NOT simply vote for his own interests all the time. Like the only thing he thinks about is: This is just quick speculation on my part but it sounds like he's concerned with means, so maybe the way to go at him is to suggest maybe he could have all those things without worry. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Mahoning posted:So with an insanely favorable Senate map and the doom and gloom of Tuesday night, Republicans could end up with a net of just +1 in the Senate? +2 looks more probable, but yeah, +1 is at least reasonably plausible, if the AZ math holds up and depending on what's found in Florida.
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AZ goes blue, Scott is freaking out because he knows a recount will turn the gov and senate seats in FL blue, the chuds get discouraged and GA and MS gov/senate runoffs both go blue, RBG is put into a 2 year long coma and comes out just in time for the Democrats to take the presidency and the senate in 2020 and for science to develop a way to upload consciousness into machine bodies, which allows RBG to become the first SCOTUS justice to live forever.
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mcmagic posted:LOL Sinema is gonna win. mods please ban this guy if she doesn't
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You know, in a way, winning AZ and FL would be kind of lovely in a sense because that means we got even closer to taking over the senate but didn't.
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I'm hoping for representation's sake that Rick Scott holds on and we get the nation's first Bat Boy-American Senator
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Nov 9, 2018 05:44
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It actually feels really good to know that my vote matters so much more this year in Arizona. LETS GET IT DONE!
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non regressive sented a message tues, now they need to grab the god drat levers of the MSM and tell them what to report.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:AZ goes blue, Scott is freaking out because he knows a recount will turn the gov and senate seats in FL blue, the chuds get discouraged and GA and MS gov/senate runoffs both go blue, RBG is put into a 2 year long coma and comes out just in time for the Democrats to take the presidency and the senate in 2020 and for science to develop a way to upload consciousness into machine bodies, which allows RBG to become the first SCOTUS justice to live forever. don't stop i'm almost there
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PhazonLink posted:non regressive sented a message tues, now they need to grab the god drat levers of the MSM and tell them what to report. For true, for true. Need every single person possible out there talking about what a huge wave this was until it just becomes accepted as fact, as well as being fact.
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Mahoning posted:So with an insanely favorable Senate map and the doom and gloom of Tuesday night, Republicans could end up with a net of just +1 in the Senate? Edit: I still say people will realize the importance of this election once the House actually convenes and starts doing Housy things. Despite McConnell's bluster, he already knows how bad a 53-47 Senate is compared to even just a 54-46 split for 2020.
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RuanGacho posted:A better question is how do you make the narrative, minus the pendulum panic, of this forum, the national one? Make people afraid and present a leftist solution. Fear is what rules the narrative. The Republicans are using what should be the left's message, "The elite and rich are robbing you and using Washington to kill you" because the left refuses to use those legit fears in their messaging. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Mr Interweb posted:You know, in a way, winning AZ and FL would be kind of lovely in a sense because that means we got even closer to taking over the senate but didn't. No, no it wouldn’t. It means we’re closer to winning the senate in 2020.
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After 10 years I've also finally convinced my mother that Republicans are against her. She was a McCain/Bush Republican, I got her to switch her party preference to Independent after convincing her that Romney was a true snake, she didn't like Obama at first. But after a while she respected him. Trump and more pushing got her to go full Democrat and all she can talk about is how she misses Obama and supports most liberal positions now. I think I'm about 75% of the way on finally convincing her on marijuana legalization, shes no longer openly hostile to the idea when we talk about it.
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Da Mott Man posted:After 10 years I've also finally convinced my mother that Republicans are against her. She was a McCain/Bush Republican, I convinced her to go Independent after convincing her that Romney was a true snake, she didn't like Obama at first. But after a while she respected him. Trump and more pushing got her to go full Democrat and all she can talk about is how she misses Obama and supports most liberal positions now. I think I'm about 75% of the way on finally convincing her on marijuana legalization, shes no longer openly hostile to the idea when we talk about it. I've been blessed with a social and family circle with no egregiously wrong political opinions and by far the dominant change over the past 2 years has been from centrist "both sides have valid points" intellectual centrism to straight up "conservatives are craven lunatics and should be jailed" liberal socialism.
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Fojar38 posted:I've been blessed with a social and family circle with no egregiously wrong political opinions and by far the dominant change over the past 2 years has been centrist "both sides have valid points" intellectual centrism to straight up "conservatives are craven lunatics and should be jailed" liberal socialism.  My dad used to proudly call himself a Rockefeller Republican. I'll make a proper Posadist of him yet!
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RE: the future senate Yes the senate is fundamentally undemocratic, and yes this currently favours Republicans since they're have the support of empty land, but I don't think their advantage is so strong that you can expect the senate to be lost, short or long term. If you take the baseline from the last two presidential elections as what parties "ought" to win, Clinton won 20 states and Romney won 24, which would make it 48R-40D with 12 swing seats, which would make the "expected" senate composition 54R-46D. That's a solid R advantage, but not an insurmountable one. On the margins, of the Romney states Trump won 4 by less than 10% (TX, NC, GA, AZ). Similarly, Obama won 5 Clinton states by less than 10%(VA, CO, NH, NV, MN). All those states except maybe MN are trending Dem, though, and of the 6 swing states MI(2D), WI(1D1R), PA(1D1R) are much closer to D than R (for now at least), FL(1D?1R) is in the middle and OH(1D1R), IA(2R) are more R than D. Manchin, Tester and Jones are the only red state Dems left (plus Sinema if she gets in). Jones is lost but the others don't come up until 2024. On the flip side Collins and Gardner are the blue state Republicans and are both up in 2020. The Republican advantage is clear, but it's small enough that, when you add in the fact that the senate is not a presidential race and the elections are staggered it's definitely winnable not just in 2020 with its specific Senate map but in general, especially if Dems can win back WI and PA and the four soft republican states plus FL become more winnable.
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1060758866982563847 Nate dragging Bret Stephens is a good way to get me back on his side after Tuesday night
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Scott is freaking out because he knows a recount will turn the gov and senate seats in FL blue i know this is mostly a joke post but i don't think there's any real hope for FL-GOV though i mean, Rick Scott and co. seem to be showing some real fear so I trust there could actually be the votes there to make him lose. but it seems like the addition 20,000 Gillum would need beyond that just aren't gonna appear
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Da Mott Man posted:After 10 years I've also finally convinced my mother that Republicans are against her. She was a McCain/Bush Republican, I got her to switch her party preference to Independent after convincing her that Romney was a true snake, she didn't like Obama at first. But after a while she respected him. Trump and more pushing got her to go full Democrat and all she can talk about is how she misses Obama and supports most liberal positions now. I think I'm about 75% of the way on finally convincing her on marijuana legalization, shes no longer openly hostile to the idea when we talk about it. Good job, I envy you. Catholic parents are impossible; Once you catch that sweet high of unwavering self-rightousness that "pro-life" propaganda begets there's almost no going back.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Because even supposed leftist folk eat right wing framing up. There is nobody pushing a different frame.
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eke out posted:i don't think there's any real hope for FL-GOV though Sure, forever robo RBG works just fine without FL Gov being blue in 2018.
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I'm suspending the tucker carlson rule from earlier but let me say thisquote:no person in their right mind should waste one loving breath of their life worrying caring or emphasizing with or about tucker carlson the fact that ya'll melted down for 8 loving pages about tucker loving carlson of all things, a day after an important midterm election and the day sessions resigned is insane
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Sure, forever robo RBG works just fine without FL Gov being blue in 2018. honestly, you're making a lot of sense
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quote:no person in their right mind should waste one loving breath of their life worrying caring or emphasizing with or about tucker carlson Oh, sorry I was thinking about Tucker Carlson.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm suspending the tucker carlson rule from earlier but let me say this  AAAAH!!! After 10,000 years, I'm free! IT'S TIME TO SHITPOST!
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:RE: the future senate
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