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Shifty Pony posted:
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Deified Data posted:I promise no one thought of him that way, he's been a butt-monkey of the republican party for years. Do you not remember the very long-lived jihad beard meme? This serious-person image-crafting is a Sorkinesque delusion that was never really a thing. They literally begged him to be speaker.
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Ryan's wonk image was entirely media manufactured since "intellectual" conservatives needed a figure to point to in order to justify supporting their white supremacist party that had no idea how to run a government other than to loot and pillage it and the centrist media needs a both sides narrative. Only Beltway idiots and Republican voters who needed the lie for comfort fell for it since the guy is obviously an idiot.
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Shifty Pony posted:It is in no way an analogous situation but this reminds me of the hypocrisy of the tea party in 2010 whose newly elected members flipped out when they learned during new member orientation that federal employee health benefits take a few weeks to kick in.. Just a happy thought for the thread. Yeah but I bet if anyone gives her a room for a couple nights she will be investigated for taking gifts in a corruption scandal
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Ardennes posted:Honestly, I think the big difference was simply how the leadership election worked out versus 2016 primary, Corbyn was against a pretty weak field of candidates. Also, the UK Labour party as a parliamentary party is generally more centralized than the Democrats and even then Corbyn had to put town multiple rebellions. Yeah, can't deny that the set of circumstances that led to Corbyn's leadership were incredibly fortuitous, and if the Blairite faction figured out what was going on in time the left of the party would have remained frozen out. We got lucky.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Suburban white voters are a pivotal demographic solely because they're the only one that either party actually tries to win over. Trump losing the suburbs could guarantee flipping Thom Tillis' seat and lock in 15 electoral votes. It also won the Democrats 27 seats on Tuesday.
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I think the root of "Paul Ryan is a conservative thinker we should take seriously" is bad punditry from the 2012 presidential election where op-ed columnists and cable news hosts either believed in, or willingly wanted to create, the illusion that the Ryan budget plan was a policy paper that should be taken seriously instead of a massive tax cut paid for by magic and the abolition of social security. (I'm old enough to remember when Ryan was Romney's VP candidate.) Edit: speaking of Matt Yglesias and Paul Ryan, there's this from 2010.
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Mustached Demon posted:Rebooting alpha house eh? Goddamnit I miss that show
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Unzip and Attack posted:This hasn't been true for over a year. Please stop spreading fascist whataboutism propaganda, thanks. even if literally everything else were the same and hillary somehow passed the biggest tax cut in history like a mad woman, at least we wouldn't have kavanagh
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Sulphagnist posted:I think the root of "Paul Ryan is a conservative thinker we should take seriously" is bad punditry from the 2012 presidential election where op-ed columnists and cable news hosts either believed in, or willingly wanted to create, the illusion that the Ryan budget plan was a policy paper that should be taken seriously instead of a massive tax cut paid for by magic and the abolition of social security. (I'm old enough to remember when Ryan was Romney's VP candidate.) Dude's favorite book is Atlas shrugged and favorite band was Rage against the machine. loving moron.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Vox? Where has Vox helped craft that image? NYT, CNN, yes, absolutely. But I'm going to have to disagree about vox without some links. I know Chapo hates them but that's not enough for me. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4wq5kb/paul-ryan-what-stupid-people-think-a-smart-guy-sounds-like ctrl-f ezra I mean just google and you come up with this kind of poo poo: https://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5933383/ryan-poverty-plan-democrats
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I'm pleading with you, thread, stop sharing photos of the CBP processing facility in McAllen when arguing that Obama had child camps. That's not what McAllen is or ever was.
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Sulphagnist posted:My hot take on Democratic leadership is that they should give obstruction and constitutional hardball a try given how well it has worked out for the Republicans. Pelosi's first message out of the midterms was "bipartisan solutions" and Trump's response was setting fire to the DOJ and calling for the Senate to investigate Democratic Representatives. Someone in this thread, I think Greyjoy, had the observation that Bipartisanship means we work together to do what I want.
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not a cult posted:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4wq5kb/paul-ryan-what-stupid-people-think-a-smart-guy-sounds-like Ew. OK. Thanks.
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Deified Data posted:I promise no one thought of him that way, he's been a butt-monkey of the republican party for years. Do you not remember the very long-lived jihad beard meme? This serious-person image-crafting is a Sorkinesque delusion that was never really a thing.
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Chilichimp posted:I'm pleading with you, thread, stop sharing photos of the CBP processing facility in McAllen when arguing that Obama had child camps. This thread in the last ten pages has cycled through "at least trump is a better president than hillary" followed by recount obamas crimes (with fake pictures) followed by nanci polosi chat. We are now in all fox news all the time territory. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tibalt posted:Someone in this thread, I think Greyjoy, had the observation that Bipartisanship means we work together to do what I want. Yeah, the Republican playbook since 2010 has been "label doing everything they want the way they want 'bipartisan,' nakedly wield whatever power you have, look wide-eyed and innocent whenever anyone complains and ask them why they hate America." Whether or not you think House Democratic leadership intends to do the latter two things, we haven't actually gotten to that point yet since it's not January, so all we've got is the first part and that's indistinguishable from actually planning to make yooge deals.
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not a cult posted:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4wq5kb/paul-ryan-what-stupid-people-think-a-smart-guy-sounds-like Yeah I'll readily cop to Ezra Klein being bad. Although the second piece is basically a really circuitous and wonkish way to get to "Paul Ryan is a giant hypocrite", but it still throws in entirely unnecessary and unearned praises of some of Ryan's policies. Tibalt posted:Someone in this thread, I think Greyjoy, had the observation that Bipartisanship means we work together to do what I want. Right, I think the ultimate problem is that we don't trust that what Pelosi really wants is what we really want.
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So the token principled conservative in my circle of friends is claiming that there's a reasonable case for an investigation into Broward County Florida, specifically because apparently they refuse to answer how many ballots remain to be counted, using the primary election shenanigans as evidence of possible wrong doing. Is there truth to this and if not, what's the truth?
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Nov 9, 2018 14:29
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Sulphagnist posted:Right, I think the ultimate problem is that we don't trust that what Pelosi really wants is what we really want. I think I agree and that's why these discussions are ultimately so circuitous and recurrent, especially in a roughly two-month period where no new data is coming in about how one should interpret a statement of Pelosi's, so every new statement of Pelosi's just gets interpreted according to our baseline beliefs and then we yell at each other when the output differs.
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Raenir Salazar posted:So the token principled conservative in my circle of friends is claiming that there's a reasonable case for an investigation into Broward County Florida, specifically because apparently they refuse to answer how many ballots remain to be counted, using the primary election shenanigans as evidence of possible wrong doing. Is there truth to this and if not, what's the truth? This is complete bullshit. Demand evidence.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This thread in the last ten pages has cycled through "at least trump is a better president than hillary" followed by recount obamas crimes (with fake pictures) followed by nanci polosi chat. We are now in all fox news all the time territory. Bring back the Trump thread, fuuuuuuuuck (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ryan's star really lost its shine after he got the Speaker job.
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The truth is that Rick scott doesn't want to get caught stealing the election he stole so he's reaching about for any excuse to try to stop himself from getting caught
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Something in Broward County caused a massive undercount in the Senate race compared to every other Florida county (4% versus less than 1% everywhere else). This could be due to either an error in the vote-tallying machine, or people skipped over it due to poor ballot design. So either the Republicans will lose after a thorough recount, or Republicans win because of more lovely 2000-esque bullshit. They're trying to counter both of these scenarios by poisoning the well and saying any news coming out of Broward County is Democratic voter fraud.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This thread in the last ten pages has cycled through "at least trump is a better president than hillary" followed by recount obamas crimes (with fake pictures) followed by nanci polosi chat. We are now in all fox news all the time territory. It was not "at least trump is a better president than hillary," it was "well at least we don't have the republican supermajority hillary probably would have triggered" followed by arguing about whether trump is ENOUGH worse to make up for that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/1060885002555133952quote:The president has spent two years learning the job to which he brought a communications skill set unmatched by any other commander in chief, except Ronald Reagan, and as much — if not more — television experience than the Gipper. President Barack Obama could do “cool” as well as anyone. Nobody is better at “combative” than Trump, and we live in an age addicted to combativeness. Cable news has adopted sports-like coverage and monetized combativeness.
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God these threads really eat themselves apart at night and when news gets slow. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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not a cult posted:Ryan's star really lost its shine after he got the Speaker job. Dude spent like a decade lecturing everyone on how things ought to be and how policy should be written. When he got the gavel and a trifecta of legislating power, he crumbled like a leaf in flame. Turns out he's only good at making GBS threads on other peoples ideas and couldn't manage to steer a coalition within his own caucus. But they did pass a lot of really bad bills that were too evil for the Senate, so that's something, I guess. It still blows my mind that they really only passed 2 bills of consequence and both had to be done on reconciliation, because they've had zero intent to even acknowledge the other side of the chamber is there.
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Can we go back to having a separate Trump thread? I would rather not have to scroll through post after post about how Democrats suck. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Luckyellow posted:Who's Trump? https://twitter.com/BCAppelbaum/status/1060617000463011841
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ewiley posted:https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/1060885002555133952 I too think a pickup of two (?) Senate seats for (checks notes) the entire House and multiple state legislatures is "winning" Who the gently caress approved this clown's article?
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Ither posted:Can we go back to having a separate Trump thread? Totally agree I miss the trump thread. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ither posted:Can we go back to having a separate Trump thread? There was never a separate trump thread.
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Luckyellow posted:Who's Trump? I bid 4 No Trump. I think AOC would be a poor Presidential candidate because she is not yet 35 years old. If Scott goes down in flames, I will be very happy.
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reignonyourparade posted:It was not "at least trump is a better president than hillary," it was "well at least we don't have the republican supermajority hillary probably would have triggered" followed by arguing about whether trump is ENOUGH worse to make up for that. Considering your own people have bled and died because of the administration that is currently in power, I think it's a pretty hot loving take to say "at least we know Nazi's exists". Christ man, that is scathing.
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TulliusCicero posted:I too think a pickup of two (?) Senate seats for (checks notes) the entire House and multiple state legislatures is "winning" It sucks because the Judge Project continues unabated. We'll get no more legislation for two years while the Judiciary continues to fill with young conservative activists who will legislate from the bench. We're steam-rolling to our next crisis, in short.
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Mordaedil posted:Considering your own people have bled and died because of the administration that is currently in power, I think it's a pretty hot loving take to say "at least we know Nazi's exists". What the gently caress are you even saying?
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TulliusCicero posted:I too think a pickup of two (?) Senate seats for (checks notes) the entire House and multiple state legislatures is "winning" I mean, the loss of those seats means zero judicial obstruction for 2 years
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