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Koalas Massacre posted:Unironically this. I forget that this is even up for debate here, since this is orthodoxy in the UKMT.
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evilweasel posted:true, but there are many people who have hundreds of millions of dollars thanks merely to the genetic lottery because gently caress if they've ever worked a day in their life after great-grandpappy did all that exploitation a long time ago some even become president!
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The Glumslinger posted:2 or 3 other Freshman House Reps are also members or received DSA endorsements Who besides Rashida Tlaib?
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evilweasel posted:i have the tiniest bit of understanding of that, if only because i too am like WTF HOW MANY VOTES GIVE ME THE INFORMATION NOW HOW DO I NOT KNOW WHO WON WHEN I THOUGHT I KNEW ELECTION NIGHT (though with quite a different emphasis) and it is not my personal senate seat on the line One quadrillionth of the pain he deserves for all his goddam medicaid fraud.
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evilweasel posted:i think that he, like everyone else, went to bed thinking he won and is seeing it slipping away and is having a creeping feeling of dread that is matching all of our creeping feelings of hope with every update Hope burns his soul. Each release of updated counts sends him fleeing into the corner of the room making sounds beyond human hearing range.
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Bicyclops posted:Who besides Rashida Tlaib? Ayanna Pressley I think
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what makes these ghouls so alien to me is why not just live a life of luxury. you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. go enjoy it. why gently caress everything up for the rest of us. jesus christ.
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I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Only if you include her marital assets. so pelosi's worth is two and a half times bernie's gotcha.
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Trabisnikof posted:I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders. Lol nah
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Koalas Massacre posted:Unironically this. why would you think that was ironic
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Groovelord Neato posted:what makes these ghouls so alien to me is why not just live a life of luxury. you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. go enjoy it. why gently caress everything up for the rest of us. jesus christ. This is what I don't get. It's like they don't think they can die.
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freckle posted:why would you think that was ironic she's using it for emphasis. our best political writer nate robinson had a good piece on this: IT’S BASICALLY JUST IMMORAL TO BE RICH quote:Even though there is a lot of public discussion about inequality, there seems to be far less talk about just how patently shameful it is to be rich. After all, there are plenty of people on this earth who die—or who watch their loved ones die—because they cannot afford to pay for medical care. There are elderly people who become homeless because they cannot afford rent. There are children living on streets and in cars, there are mothers who can’t afford diapers for their babies. All of this is beyond dispute. And all of it could be ameliorated if people who had lots of money simply gave those other people their money. It’s therefore deeply shameful to be rich. It’s not a morally defensible thing to be. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/06/its-basically-just-immoral-to-be-rich Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Trabisnikof posted:I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders. i disagree. reps and senators make a good amount of money, they're making over 100k and i think it's over 200k. where the real problem comes in is that being a house candidate or a senate candidate is an unpaid, full-time job that has a good chance of ending in failure and has no big monetary payoff to make up for that lost income. i don't actually know how to fix that, but AOC was writing something about it recently, how she basically has had to live on her savings from when she started running and will need to continue doing so until she starts getting a Rep paycheck and it's actually sort of hard.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ayanna Pressley I think AOC expressed support for her, but I don't think she's officially DSA-endorsed, or a member (I don't see her listed on the national DSA's endorsement page, anyway, and I don't think the Boston Chapter officially endorsed her). She's good people, I think, and will definitely be in the left wing of the party, so I guess it's sort of splitting hairs on whether she's officially DSA or not.
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Groovelord Neato posted:what makes these ghouls so alien to me is why not just live a life of luxury. you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. go enjoy it. why gently caress everything up for the rest of us. jesus christ. Dianne Feinstein's the worst in this regard; this is her husband. e: And here's how that has played out over the years: quote:As chairperson and ranking member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (MILCON) from 2001 through the end of 2005, Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee. Summary: STOP NOMINATING PLUTOCRATS.
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evilweasel posted:i disagree. reps and senators make a good amount of money, they're making over 100k and i think it's over 200k. where the real problem comes in is that being a house candidate or a senate candidate is an unpaid, full-time job that has a good chance of ending in failure and has no big monetary payoff to make up for that lost income. i don't actually know how to fix that, but AOC was writing something about it recently, how she basically has had to live on her savings from when she started running and will need to continue doing so until she starts getting a Rep paycheck and it's actually sort of hard. It's $172k for Reps. e: $174k, my mistake.
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evilweasel posted:yeah, but nobody is arguing in favor of democrats limiting themselves to "bipartisanship." we are arguing in favor of saying the word bipartisanship, because it makes those voters happy without having to actually be bipartisan. it's found money, basically. if those voters rebel when democrats gain power and pass important legislation on a partisan basis, well, that legislation remains on the books even if they vote democrats out of the House. and if the only way to get the House was with those voters, well, then it wasn't getting passed without giving them lip service long enough. and if you can keep the house afterwards while losing them, well, you increased your odds of getting that stuff done in the first place and perhaps got a few senators out of the bargain you'll keep through 2026.
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OTOH being rich means God loves you more.
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corn in the bible posted:the DSA is the democratic socialists. they've been trying to run to the left of democrats in various local and national primaries, on the understanding that third parties never ever win but there's plenty of races where literally anyone who wins the democratic primary will be elected. sometimes they even succeed! Incidentally, this works because it is literally the only way to replicate the function of a minor party in a parliamentary democracy. Because of our first-past-the-post electoral system and strong presidency, the formation of two parties is inevitable, whereas in a parliamentary democracy the formation of a government and a not-government happens after the election, so the Double Socialists can win some elections and the Maybe Just One Socialism Party can win some elections and then negotiate an amount of socialism between 1 and 2 to form a coalition government. Leveraging the primary system to create competition between factions of a party before going on to the general is the closest we can get here in our broken early-adopter country.
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Trabisnikof posted:I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders. There is no limit to how much money people want. You can pay someone a billion dollars a week and they will still embezzle more
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Burning_Monk posted:OTOH being rich means God loves you more. It's funny how the Prosperity Gospel never seems to apply to anyone to the left of the Mercers...
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CuddleCryptid posted:There is no limit to how much money people want. You can pay someone a billion dollars a week and they will still embezzle more yeah mnunchin and his wife are worth hundreds of millions and still take government planes for their eclipse jaunts. a first class ticket would cost them equivalent of pocket change to us plebs.
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It’s really cool watching the President of the United States try to completely delegitimize an election and rile up his base to believe the most basic building block of our form of government can’t be trusted
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Trabisnikof posted:I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders. I don't think the problem is the $150,000 salary. A $150,000 salary with half of it saved will probably accrue to a few million over a few decades, in the $2 million to $10 million range. I think the problem is juggling a full-time job during campaign season and affording moving costs while the incumbent, during recess, can campaign full-time. Few people being able to afford to run for office is a feature of a system which assumes that if people had all the free time in the world, at best they might convince themselves they're being productive by doing something like making a failed YouTube video series about hamburger cookouts or some other self-deluded project. It's not a bug.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:It’s really cool watching the President of the United States try to completely delegitimize an election and rile up his base to believe the most basic building block of our form of government can’t be trusted Should be fun times in 2020.
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CuddleCryptid posted:There is no limit to how much money people want. You can pay someone a billion dollars a week and they will still embezzle more Its the opposite, of course the power hungry people will still seek office, but we basically close off politics as a career for people who aren't already rich or corrupt. You can make more as a coder at some lovely tech company than you can representing 20,000,000 people. There's no way that as a society we should value the labor of that coder more. galenanorth posted:I don't think the problem is the $150,000 salary. A $150,000 salary with half of it saved will probably accrue to a few million over a few decades, in the $2 million to $10 million range. I think the problem is juggling a full-time job during campaign season and affording moving costs while the incumbent, during recess, can campaign full-time. Sure but even that $150k doesn't as go far when you have to have a place in DC to live, in addition to your home state, you have flights back and forth etc. I'm not saying its a hard life at all, I'm just saying that it makes the little corruption of say, getting a free apartment from a lobbyist, much more appealing. Or you're already rich enough that the salary doesn't matter, which is bad for its own reasons (we shouldn't just elect the wealthy). Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Trabisnikof posted:I do think we should probably pay our Reps and Senators a hell of a lot more. By underpaying our leadership we help to make sure only the rich or corrupt can be leaders. I actually agree that we should ensure governmental pay is competitive with the private sector, but we should also require them, upon election, to yield all of their assets above a basic level to the government to be used to administer social programs. Relatedly, the hiring and firing process for the civil service is six flavors of hosed and it's an enormous contributor to the general perception of government uselessness, by design. Overhauling USAJOBS and the GSA should be on the priorities list of any sane administration, if not at the level of "voting rights" and "healthcare."
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Dr. VooDoo posted:It’s really cool watching the President of the United States try to completely delegitimize an election and rile up his base to believe the most basic building block of our form of government can’t be trusted He's helped by the fact that it can't
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Why are you talking about Trump. Clearly this is the thread to talk about how no one can be an ally if they have a dollar in their pocket. Bring back the trump thread.
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Huh, so Republicans can replace their leader with the help of troll Dem votes, but not the other way around? Only counting votes within the Dem caucus sounds like the best way, but requiring 218 is pretty crazy.
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1060981532297441286 Having a plan that relies on a rules change, having ~10% of the votes you need for that rule change, and trying to execute that plan at the same time as you are attempting to get the rules changed seems like a very bad strategy.
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https://twitter.com/PatriciaMazzei/status/1060949546300305409
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Guze posted:Should be fun times in 2020. Whenever Trump finally has power wrested from him, there is definitely going to be some ugly violence. 
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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1060979787513192454 We’re gonna have at least 47
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It may be immoral to be rich. Unfortunately, being rich is also the best and most effective and reliable method of affecting political change in this country.
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Quorum posted:I actually agree that we should ensure governmental pay is competitive with the private sector, but we should also require them, upon election, to yield all of their assets above a basic level to the government to be used to administer social programs. when hank paulson got his job as treasury secretary he got to collect 400 million bucks tax free. what a country! enraged_camel posted:It may be immoral to be rich. that's a big reason it's immoral!
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Hutzpah posted:Why are you talking about Trump. Clearly this is the thread to talk about how no one can be an ally if they have a dollar in their pocket. Bring back the trump thread. Yes, those poor multi-millionaires and billionaires. Clearly the most unfairly maligned demographic.
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