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Drone posted:What's up with Red World not having been updated for the current version? Is it playable with the current patch or do you have to roll back? It is. Supposedly a hotfix and the next major update ( a reworked Soviet Union tree, trees for all the possible SU splinter states, a tree for Germany and a tree for Canada featuring  ) are just around thr corner once the dev stops having issuses with dogshit italian ISPs.
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Lum_ posted:TVTropes has a good summary. It's basically "nuke everyone from orbit, just to be sure: the mod"  this sounds completely insane and like a giant fanfiction project instead of a game.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:01
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Dramicus posted:From what I understand, it isn't supposed to be a practical focus tree, it's just an extended "Game Over" screen. This isn't a mod that actually exists yet, right? Some of the entries on that tvtropes page make it sound like it does. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 22:14
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Dramicus posted:I took a look on the reddit for TNO and holy poo poo, I thought Warhammer 40k was grim, but TNO makes it look light-hearted. Holy poo poo everything is terrible. TNO is so goddamn dark it crosses back over into hilarity. And then it crosses the line again in quite a few cases. It helps that they do in fact sometimes not take things entirely serious. See 100+ possible death events for Oskar Dirlewanger.  Strudel Man posted:That seems...odd? It's in alpha. There's a number of focus trees that get unlocked by certain parties winning civil wars, and they just serve to gently caress over the country in question even more wether it's player- or AI-controlled. Turns out that letting people like Baader-Meinhoff (except they were in the Hitler Youth in this timeline) or freakin' Heydrich or an even crazier than OTL Abba Kovner run a nation isn't going to end well. (And then there's Himmler, whose goal is to start a global thermonuclear war.) If you want to not ruin whatever country you started out with, you might wanna win the civil war with another party. Magni fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 22:26
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Strudel Man posted:That seems...odd? TNO isn't really supposed to be akin to the vanilla HoI trajectory of building up your country and then fighting a big war. Instead it's about the nazi world order imploding under its own incompetence and horror from close to day one, with nations transforming and trying to survive the ensuing chaos. It has a length of two decades and uses a combination of focus trees, huge, almost ck2-esque event chains, and a *lot* of bespoke mechanics created through the custom GUI stuff added in Cornflakes. War is less of a focus, it aims for more of a Vicky experience. Under any normal circumstajces I'd say it's a mad, impossible effort, but they've released a ton of content previews and it's all hugely impressive. Somebody who isn't at work should grab a screenshot of the Egyptian focus tree or the flowchart for the Wehrmacht-SS civil war events, poo poo is wipd
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Nov 9, 2018 22:28
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idk abba kovner's getting his 6 million germans seems like a good way to start some poo poo
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Madagascar has the potential for an eight-way civil war, it's awesome.Fuligin posted:Under any normal circumstajces I'd say it's a mad, impossible effort, but they've released a ton of content previews and it's all hugely impressive. Somebody who isn't at work should grab a screenshot of the Egyptian focus tree or the flowchart for the Wehrmacht-SS civil war events, poo poo is wipd
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Funky Valentine posted:Madagascar has the potential for an eight-way civil war, it's awesome.  this focus tree appears to just be "you get to travel around the world having a good time - the focus tree"
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Fuligin posted:Under any normal circumstajces I'd say it's a mad, impossible effort, but they've released a ton of content previews and it's all hugely impressive. Somebody who isn't at work should grab a screenshot of the Egyptian focus tree or the flowchart for the Wehrmacht-SS civil war events, poo poo is wipd Wehrmacht-SS war:  Egypt focus:  US focus:  I refuse to believe this mod will ever see the light of day. It's probably for the best.
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Strudel Man posted:That seems...odd? It sort of exists, you can see Dev videos of it in action, just not released yet. The communists taking over in the civil war is supposed to be the absolute worst outcome, not only for Germany, but also the other major powers, as they get access to nuclear weapons and become omnicidal.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:40
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Dramicus posted:It sort of exists, you can see Dev videos of it in action, just not released yet. The communists taking over in the civil war is supposed to be the absolute worst outcome, not only for Germany, but also the other major powers, as they get access to nuclear weapons and become omnicidal. nuclear war is the GOOD ending 
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Nov 9, 2018 22:42
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Lum_ posted:nuclear war is the GOOD ending Or the ending where Nixon supports Albert Speer and avoid nuclear war altogether and the Reich gets reformed, probably better than killing everyone.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:46
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Dramicus posted:Or the ending where Nixon supports Albert Speer and avoid nuclear war altogether and the Reich gets reformed, probably better than killing everyone. except for the people responsible for the previous 40 years of genocidal slaughter quietly "retired", yeah. It's pretty clear the mod author believes Himmler - in this timeline a completely insane maniac who is plotting to scour the earth with nuclear fire to prepare the way for the pure Aryan race, which even he does not deserve to associate with - is "right", in context of a world after a Nazi victory requiring a complete reboot. Like I said, it's REAALLLLY for the best if this doesn't show up on Steam Workshop, the words "problematic content" exist to describe this mod. This is the mod that invented "Ultranational Socialists" to denote people who think National Socialists just didn't go far enough.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:52
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Davincie posted:these trees are too stupid huge
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Nov 9, 2018 22:55
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Of course HoI4 would have a fanbase that not only believes that Himmler wasn't extreme enough but also nuclear war being preferable to (their own weird idea of) left ideas taking power
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Nov 9, 2018 23:52
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I hate making choices!
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Nov 9, 2018 23:53
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Its like if Liberty Prime made a mod for HoI4
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Nov 9, 2018 23:54
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Dramicus posted:From what I understand, it isn't supposed to be a practical focus tree, it's just an extended "Game Over" screen. I'm curious as to what the final focus, "The Answer", does
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HannibalBarca posted:I'm curious as to what the final focus, "The Answer", does
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Lum_ posted:except for the people responsible for the previous 40 years of genocidal slaughter quietly "retired", yeah. It's pretty clear the mod author believes Himmler - in this timeline a completely insane maniac who is plotting to scour the earth with nuclear fire to prepare the way for the pure Aryan race, which even he does not deserve to associate with - is "right", in context of a world after a Nazi victory requiring a complete reboot. Phi230 posted:Of course HoI4 would have a fanbase that not only believes that Himmler wasn't extreme enough but also nuclear war being preferable to (their own weird idea of) left ideas taking power Again "what the hell are you talking about." There is no european left in the mod's timeline, the German "communists" are cargo culting half known stories of Marx-Leninism because the Reich has done its best to completely suppress it. the whole premise of the mod is that Nazi victory and the absence of any coherent international norms of conduct has created the conditions for a nightmarish world. The nazis are explicitly incompetent fuckups propped up by slave labor and propaganda Fuligin fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Fuligin posted:What the hell are you even talking about. Everything in or released about the mod is clear that Himmler is as close to evil incarnate as anyone besides Senor Hitler himself. Nuclear armageddon is a fail state that you are trying to avoid triggering. Mod sounds good as gently caress tbh.
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Fuligin posted:What the hell are you even talking about. Everything in or released about the mod is clear that Himmler is as close to evil incarnate as anyone besides Senor Hitler himself. Nuclear armageddon is a fail state that you are trying to avoid triggering. (Actually, I can see the argument with the first guy - the idea is that the world has been so screwed up by the Nazis' victory, and even the 'best path' involves forgetting and leaving unpunished such massive crimes against humanity, that wiping the slate of civilization clean with a 'fresh start' would almost be preferable. I don't think I agree, but there's a logic to it. Himmler isn't right in his specific ambitions, but in a general sense that the world needs a new beginning.) Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Fuligin posted:Again "what the hell are you talking about." There is no european left in the mod's timeline, the German "communists" are cargo culting half known stories of Marx-Leninism You could have just said Trotskyists.
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They've taken the national focus tree system of HoI4 and turned it into a visual novel and stuck it into the game. Strudel Man posted:Aside from whatever other issues, the "focuses" represented by this "focus tree" are insanely repetitive and redundant. It looks more like freeform poetry than game design. Like what this guy said.
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So when's MTG coming out? Hate burning myself out on Paradox games just before a big expansion.
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Then of course we have the many deaths of Oskar Dirlewanger.
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Fuligin posted:What the hell are you even talking about. Everything in or released about the mod is clear that Himmler is as close to evil incarnate as anyone besides Senor Hitler himself. Nuclear armageddon is a fail state that you are trying to avoid triggering. I had no idea about any of this I assumed it was just a timeline extension mod
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I mean, the mod could come out and be complete poo poo, or never see release and be complete poo poo, or come out and be a boring mediocre failure, but I admire crazy ambition when combined with technical chops, and I think it's an interesting spin on yer hoary olde man in a high tower scenarios. Time will tell. Meamwhile in my spare time I've started a Weird War mod that might someday see the light of day
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So uh, if I'm Austria-Hungary and I join the allies, does that mean I can take over the Balkans at will, because if I'm in the allies it doesnt mean poo poo if GB or France guarantee one of these shitholes?
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:So uh, if I'm Austria-Hungary and I join the allies, does that mean I can take over the Balkans at will, because if I'm in the allies it doesnt mean poo poo if GB or France guarantee one of these shitholes? During WW2, yes. But the moment the big bads are defeated, they will kick you out of the alliance if you have generated loads of tension.
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It's a great way to get started as the Kaiserin, since getting her requires you to avoid the otherwise-better focus path of reclaiming Germany's place in the sun.
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Strudel Man posted:It's a great way to get started as the Kaiserin, since getting her requires you to avoid the otherwise-better focus path of reclaiming Germany's place in the sun. How is it better? I found it to play out almost exactly like normal ww2, except you might auto-annex austria-hungary. But I don't think it's really worth it because having Czech and Austrian factories earlier means you can build more, faster.
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TNO looks great and I'm fairly hopeful that it'll see the light of day since its mod team have pretty much the best possible approach (no suggestions accepted, clear objectives, steady dev targets). The insane event chains and focus trees are kind of the point of the mod: they've said it's meant to be a "story mod" with less emphasis on being yet-another-alt-history-war-game - hence the instant fail state if there's an actual war between the superpowers. The aim is supposedly twenty years of written content, and one of the recent Asia "leaks" suggests they're working towards it (it showed the start of a major Asian war in the 70s after a successful Chinese resistance path). I don't know if they'll manage it, or if it'll be worthwhile if they do, but it looks very promising so far, too me e: Also remembered that the lead dev made a good post recently on the nukes: quote:Nukes work like they do in TNO because it's a Cold War mod and is meant to be about the subversion of a world war and not the balls deep diving into it. The mod's about politics and using politics and espionage, as well as proxy conflicts, to defeat your enemies. It is not built to be a simulation of World War and because of that it won't be particularly interesting to play that way. Most of the team members of TNO, myself included, are not huge into the combat or gameplay of HOI4 and aren't interested in making yet another mod about yet another big war that will inevitably happen. He also is p clear that killing everyone is absolutely not the "good ending". Worth reading the whole thing if you're interested in the mod. Zohar fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Dramicus posted:How is it better? I found it to play out almost exactly like normal ww2, except you might auto-annex austria-hungary. But I don't think it's really worth it because having Czech and Austrian factories earlier means you can build more, faster. Zohar posted:TNO looks great and I'm fairly hopeful that it'll see the light of day since its mod team have pretty much the best possible approach (no suggestions accepted, clear objectives, steady dev targets). The insane event chains and focus trees are kind of the point of the mod: they've said it's meant to be a "story mod" with less emphasis on being yet-another-alt-history-war-game - hence the instant fail state if there's an actual war between the superpowers. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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It was originally being done in Vicky 2 which has mechanics that fit what they're trying to do, but modding Vicky 2 is a shitshow compared to hoi4 so they switched. Also yeah after doing a deep dive through the material published by the authors this mod, the people acting like it's made by Nazis are being incredibly unfair. It would be like calling philip k dick a Nazi for writing man in the high castle
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Dramicus posted:During WW2, yes. But the moment the big bads are defeated, they will kick you out of the alliance if you have generated loads of tension. So I'm trying again and this time I didnt join the allies. I think Yugoslavia will still join the Axis though, which will suck.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yeah and it turns out having not played for all of two months helped me forget that if I am in a faction that is at war with another faction, and I then declare on someone who is not in a faction....they will join the faction that I am at war with. There are mostly two factors that determine if a country under attack will join a faction. The first is if you are in a faction, they will be much more likely to look for another faction to join because they feel they are getting ganged up on (even if your faction only has one member). The second is global tension, if you attack while it's low, they cannot join a faction under normal circumstances. So if you get lucky with your Austria-Hungary run and get to diplo-annex Austria and the Czechs, you could squeeze in an invasion of Yugoslavia before any big stuff kicks off. Ideology is a third factor that plays in, but it's mostly superficial. Democrats and fascists will join the Comintern if that's the only option, and vice versa.
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VostokProgram posted:Also yeah after doing a deep dive through the material published by the authors this mod, the people acting like it's made by Nazis are being incredibly unfair. It would be like calling philip k dick a Nazi for writing man in the high castle
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Strudel Man posted:I would say that makes it a pretty bad fit for a HOI4 mod. The setting sounds reasonably novel, even entertaining, but it seems like it would be better implemented as a CYOA or something. Idk, I don't see why putting it in HOI4 would make it worse, it's not like there's no use of HOI mechanics at all. It might not appeal to HOI4's core player base but who cares
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