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Condiv posted:maybe hillary clinton will learn this when she runs in 2020 Can't demoralize what you don't have
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Were you out there on that beat? Because losing 22 volunteers would cripple most campaigns. If you’ve got a better view, I’m curious to know more. The article didn't say he lost 22 volunteers, it said 22 volunteers had called to complain, it left unclear how many of those actually refused to volunteer and the same article cites that the Senate ccmpaign had "thousands" of volunteers. So yes demoralizing, but turning that into "everyone left his campaign and he had no gotv and that's why he lost" is lying to yourself and everyone else.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:46
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:The artists too: I'll be honest, even in evil universe 2018, if I saw those pictures next to the ballot I would cross the gently caress over
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Nov 10, 2018 01:46
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:The artists too: What the hell Arizona, how could you not vote for the guy who looks like the dictionary definition of a Mine Inspector?
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Yinlock posted:more importantly, why does one of them look like an old timey prospector? Something about dressing for the job you want?
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https://twitter.com/varin/status/1060937524040884224 Read this thread to watch your vote disappear!
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Yinlock posted:more importantly, why does one of them look like an old timey prospector? Now you know why he lost: A prospector would NEVER approve any mine but his own. FYGM but it's a literal mine.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:49
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Yinlock posted:more importantly, why does one of them look like an old timey prospector? Bill Pierce achieved legendary meme status because of his look here in Arizona. He had a shockingly large (and young) campaign staff as a consequence. Here is the definitive picture of the quintessential mine inspector. 
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snorch posted:Something about dressing for the job you want? HootTheOwl posted:Now you know why he lost: A prospector would NEVER approve any mine but his own. FYGM but it's a literal mine. LegendaryFrog posted:Bill Pierce achieved legendary meme status because of his look here in Arizona. He had a shockingly large (and young) campaign staff as a consequence. Here is the definitive picture of the quintessential mine inspector. that guy has spent his entire life dreaming of being a mine inspector
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Kemp stole the election, no doubt about it in my mind. The rejected voter registration forms, the rejected absentee ballots, the misleading and lying statements on voter ID, the cybercrimes accusations against the Democratic Party displayed on official Voting Information pages, the reduction in voting machines on election day, the reduction in early voting locations, and the police harassment of GOTV efforts is how he won.
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god drat you bastards ruined that man's mine inspector dreams
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Nov 10, 2018 01:53
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/varin/status/1060937524040884224 This is also a good illustration of how plain, ol' incompetence can completely gently caress over a Democratic county.
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:The artists too: lol that top guy is just Sessions with hair dye
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farraday posted:The article didn't say he lost 22 volunteers, it said 22 volunteers had called to complain, it left unclear how many of those actually refused to volunteer and the same article cites that the Senate ccmpaign had "thousands" of volunteers. So yes demoralizing, but turning that into "everyone left his campaign and he had no gotv and that's why he lost" is lying to yourself and everyone else. 22 people calling to complain is likely far fewer than the number of people who didn't volunteer again. Calling to complain takes way more effort than not showing up. You keep saying people are lying if they think this led to his defeat, do you have any evidence to back up your own conviction that this was such a minor impact?
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/varin/status/1060937524040884224 There are African dictatorships that have fairer, better-run elections than that county.
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/varin/status/1060937524040884224 https://twitter.com/varin/status/1060957704968122369 https://twitter.com/varin/status/1061008514301206528 Makes sense.
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LegendaryFrog posted:Bill Pierce achieved legendary meme status because of his look here in Arizona. He had a shockingly large (and young) campaign staff as a consequence. Here is the definitive picture of the quintessential mine inspector. This seems to be a current photo taken on a 1970s film camera.
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Adar posted:Donnelly and McCaskill lost by 6 points each while Heitkamp wound up losing by 11 in an election where the overall vote was ~D+9.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:58
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LifeSite/status/1061055845994246144 Jesus quote:The LifeSiteNews petition, addressed to Carlson, says, “I stand with you and your family, especially your wife, during this time and will offer up in my prayers a special request that God bless and protect you and your family.”
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https://twitter.com/cindymccain/status/1060599741178875906 https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1060558060345810944 Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Nov 10, 2018 02:01
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https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1061061283422896128 I wouldn't be shocked, there was something very weird about that story
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Trabisnikof posted:22 people calling to complain is likely far fewer than the number of people who didn't volunteer again. Calling to complain takes way more effort than not showing up. So, you're telling me this one statement cost Bredsden the election when one Senator who voted for Kavanaugh in a nearby state won his election and three who votes against lost by similar margins? Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof, but sure you want me to be the one to have to prove the negative that a single statement didn't cost him the election. Mmm nope, not going to bother.
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Yinlock posted:that guy has spent his entire life dreaming of being a mine inspector my man came outta his mom talking about the need for structural reinforcement
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:"We need to run moderates in red states and if the moderate doesn't win, the seat wasn't winnable" is an extremely lovely take. McCaskill wasnt just any moderate, she was a very good politician running for a third term in a seat she should have lost six years ago if she hadn't maneuvered the wingnut into winning his side of the primary. She knew exactly how to handle her race and still lost after taking a tough vote. The progressives who (probably) lost in Florida and Georgia were not going to have an easier time of it in Missouri. I mean, at the moment, the 3 progressives with national visibility got shut out in a D+9 year while Joe Manchin won by 3 in a state where the closest House race on the ballot out of 3 was R+12.
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farraday posted:So, you're telling me this one statement cost Bredsden the election when one Senator who voted for Kavanaugh in a nearby state won his election and three who votes against lost by similar margins? Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof, but sure you want me to be the one to have to prove the negative that a single statement didn't cost him the election. tennessee and wv don't even share a border so i'm not sure how you claim geographic proximity means it should've been fine for him since it didn't sink manchin i can't believe you're actually praying for carlson
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He just wants to find the magical mineshaft that will send him back to his own time 
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farraday posted:So, you're telling me this one statement cost Bredsden the election when one Senator who voted for Kavanaugh in a nearby state won his election and three who votes against lost by similar margins? Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof, but sure you want me to be the one to have to prove the negative that a single statement didn't cost him the election. Well, I'm not the one calling people liars who disagree with me without any supporting evidence. He lost with similar margins, but that's only evidence that he didn't disappoint the base if Mccaskill and Donnelly hadn't already disappointed theirs. I think this is as compelling as the argument you make: they all ran away from the base and lost out in the enthusiasm game. Bredsden ran away from the base by endorsing Kavanaugh. Mccaskill ran away from the base by distancing herself from the most popular democrats. Donnelly ran away from the base by proudly siding with Trump 62% of the time. They all ran away from the base and it played a role in their defeat. As to Manchin? I think the incumbency bias is more than enough to explain that discrepancy. Manchin's base isn't the normal Democratic base, they more likely to be climate change deniers for example. So he was able to get away with being Republican-lite because that's his base not the traditional Democratic base. edit: forgot Heitkamp, who did the same as Donnelly and ran proudly on being willing to work with Trump: her own ad posted:"I'm Heidi Heitkamp, and when I ran for the Senate six years ago I said I wouldn't vote the party line, because I don't think either party has all of the right answers," she says, looking directly into the camera. "That's why I voted over half the time with President Trump." Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1061061283422896128 100% agree with this. That story also said Whitaker would be Rosenstein's replacement.
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Condiv posted:tennessee and wv don't even share a border so i'm not sure how you claim geographic proximity means it should've been fine for him since it didn't sink manchin West Virginia and Maryland share a border but they aren't similar at all. Tennesse and West Virginia don't share a border but are much more similar. I realize you all want to boil everything down into one simple bad statement that somehow cost him the election but,. spoiler alert, most of the time that just bullshit horse race narrative.
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Spun Dog posted:I believe you are thinking "Wizard" friend Grand Master of Disaster.
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farraday posted:West Virginia and Maryland share a border but they aren't similar at all. Tennesse and West Virginia don't share a border but are much more similar. I realize you all want to boil everything down into one simple bad statement that somehow cost him the election but,. spoiler alert, most of the time that just bullshit horse race narrative. Actively endorsing Kavanaugh for no reason is a far bigger deal than "one simple bad statement" its a repudiation of the Democratic Party and the values most of the base believe.
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farraday posted:West Virginia and Maryland share a border but they aren't similar at all. Tennesse and West Virginia don't share a border but are much more similar. I realize you all want to boil everything down into one simple bad statement that somehow cost him the election but,. spoiler alert, most of the time that just bullshit horse race narrative. so why do you think he lost then? shouldn't him shifting hard right ala manchin have netted him a win if tennessee and west virginia are as similar as you claim?
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LegendaryFrog posted:Bill Pierce achieved legendary meme status because of his look here in Arizona. He had a shockingly large (and young) campaign staff as a consequence. Here is the definitive picture of the quintessential mine inspector. Why is "mine inspector" even a partisan government position to begin with?
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nerdz posted:Why is "mine inspector" even a partisan government position to begin with? republican mine inspectors believe every miner should be armed and that stalactites and stalagmites touching is an unholy abomination
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nerdz posted:Why is "mine inspector" even a partisan government position to begin with? So the mine owners can more easily control it. edit: My favorite illegal goal mine in California has these fun comics they draw about why regulators are dumb. They mainly focus on how it is insane that the EPA requires monitoring ground water contamination even after you close up the mine!! Like how can the water get polluted if all I've done is loosen the toxic minerals, provided seepage pathways to the aquifer, then closed the door and let it sit for years. Why its impossible I say!! Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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corn in the bible posted:god drat you bastards ruined that man's mine inspector dreams To be fair, even having lost, if that guy showed up in that outfit to your mine saying “I am the mine inspector”, would you even think to ask for his ID?
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nerdz posted:Why is "mine inspector" even a partisan government position to begin with? Back when Arizona was a territory elections for positions like that were probably fairer than letting the government appoint them because of the spoils system.
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Someone in this thread posted making a comment about the Socialist Rifle Association earlier today. I was probed for mod sass at the time, and I am deeply sorry because cat jail is scary and lonely. Anyways, is the SRA a real thing? Is it some guy who takes $25 and then that's it? Is it a honeypot so you get added to some list by the FBI? I do sort of believe the left should start arming itself, and I don't know anything about guns and so maybe their literature would be good for me. I live outside of the US and can't legally arm myself in this country but if I ever return to the US I'm interested so if anyone knows whether SRA is real or a big scam or just a way to get in trouble please let me know.
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Furnaceface posted:With how long you guys drag out elections Im honestly kind of surprised heart attacks and liver failure arent way more prevalent, especially in young people. Don't worry, it's not for lack of trying. We just class our anxiety driven drinking up under the guise of "getting really into craft beers" or artisanal whiskey (according to the NYT think pieces). In reality, we just getting loving drunk due to the constant stream of stress from the gig economy, debt...stress from elections are a breath of fresh air.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Someone in this thread posted making a comment about the Socialist Rifle Association earlier today. I was probed for mod sass at the time, and I am deeply sorry because cat jail is scary and lonely. Anyways, is the SRA a real thing? Is it some guy who takes $25 and then that's it? Is it a honeypot so you get added to some list by the FBI? I do sort of believe the left should start arming itself, and I don't know anything about guns and so maybe their literature would be good for me. I live outside of the US and can't legally arm myself in this country but if I ever return to the US I'm interested so if anyone knows whether SRA is real or a big scam or just a way to get in trouble please let me know. If it is real, there's no way I'm putting my name on that list. If you're a lefty and also a gun owner, you should probably keep that on the low down.
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